In regards to ¨looks¨ the stock Butchers look narrow out front with the 38 Fork2.2 - 2.4” for the win - even 2.5wt feel porky and less precise to me.
Well specced I’d say.
(does anyone know if this the new or old Butcher?)
Levo Gen 4 Specialized Gen 4 Levo - Official Thread
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(does anyone know if this the new or old Butcher?)
singletrackminded
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I have asked the older Levo forum to no avail. It had been discussed that many prefer the old (black) version of the Mission Control App over the current version (red), I would would like to see the jump stats return as a software update to the current App. I do no find the current App useful as to all the graphs, would prefer instead a tabulated list of stats, as before for simplicity.
The colors you are mentioning are reversed
Neverbeentomoab
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Was in my local shop Bikescene today and they had the orange comp carbon on display. The colour looks awesome in the flesh much better than I’ve seen online.
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“There’s no escaping that thick tube”?
Tell that to the Unno Mith — similar power (105 Nm), full-size battery (800 Wh), lower weight (21.2 kg / 46.7 lb), more travel (170 / 160 mm) and it doesn’t look like it swallowed a fire extinguisher. The Levo Gen 4 is less eMTB, more mobile power station with pedals.
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I think alot of people miss the point that the battery is shorter and fatter in the Levo for handling purposes over looks. Its going to be interesting to see the handling reviews on the other bikes with a longer battery and the weight not as low on the frame.“There’s no escaping that thick tube”?
Tell that to the Unno Mith — similar power (105 Nm), full-size battery (800 Wh), lower weight (21.2 kg / 46.7 lb), more travel (170 / 160 mm) and it doesn’t look like it swallowed a fire extinguisher. The Levo Gen 4 is less eMTB, more mobile power station with pedals.
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And then they put the SWAT box above it, exactly where they don’t want the weight.
Smart that.
electricbogaloo
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Yeah, Molini/liguria is a dense trail network. I also prefer ebike to shuttles in finale but more because it's more chill and I can set my own rhythm. But sadly I neither live in finale or molini.
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Because the levo used to be the lightest full power with a removable battery and Jon-rattlinn motor. Was true for alloy and carbon version. Big, heavy bikes just feel too sluggish/glued to the ground for my preferred trails. Also for jumps it's way easier to jump with a lighter bike on natural trails as I'm not a good at jumping but love to use little natural features to jump off of.It is strange that those who have not tried the G4 complain about the weight but when the alloy version arrives which will most likely weigh 1.5 kg more with the 840wh battery is when the real complaints begins.
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The unno probably has a lower center of gravity because of the frame design/shock placement and overall lower weight. But unno seems to make weird kinematic choices according to some reviews I saw. The comparison is not fair though because the Levo has a bigger quickly removable battery.
I wish specialized would have taken the approach from the Gen 3 levo and refined it. No swat (you can always use a frame bag if you want that) and removable but smaller battery options with a smaller turned motor. Light weight and removable battery. With a range extender it would be the most versatile bike.
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Power1tobe
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Exactly... its called center of gravity and they tried to lower it by increasing the width of the battery instead of making it the entire length of the tube. For me it was adding the SWAT that seemed pointless that further increased the size. Wear a small pack for your tools and gear, as MTBs were meant to have trunks.
But if we are critiquing based on looks.. hate the square down tube and the lower shock setup.. i always imaging a stick getting stuck in there on the down stroke. Also, the seat post seems crazy long...
DirkWisely
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The center of gravity of the battery barely seems lower to my eye. It's only like 6-8 inches longer for the DJI system, and that's only 20% or so of the battery that's higher. It's a heck of a lot of girth for a marginal decrease in length.
electricbogaloo
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You're comparing apples to oranges. The levo frame and battery is heavier due to it being quickly removable and bigger plus subsequently has a higher center of gravity having the shock placed higher in the frame aswell.
The unno is known for having a really long geo and unusual kinematics setup. So not sure if the bike feels much more nimble.
The unno is known for having a really long geo and unusual kinematics setup. So not sure if the bike feels much more nimble.
DirkWisely
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Yes they're different bikes, but I hear people say the Levo battery is thicker to get the weight lower, and that specific claim is what I question.
electricbogaloo
Active member
I think they also do this to fit the battery into the the smaller frame sizes.
Sadly the swat box is heavy and non removable.
Not smart.
What are you putting in your SWAT bag that weighs so much? A tube and CO2 does not weigh that much.
DirkWisely
Well-known member
A tube is the heaviest thing that I carry with me other than water. It's not particularly light.
Any comments besides torque, weight and downtube?
Mountain Mullet Tube
One tube to rule them all! Are you riding a mixed wheel size mullet bike? Can’t decide to bring a 27.5” or 29” spare? Or do you just want to be a trail ...
I carry this one 220 grams
I put this in the unno thread previously, but I think we can all agree the Lardo will ride really well and yet there are various theories that the unno has weird this and weird that .. but if you lay the Unno over the Lardo they 99% line up exactly with each other ..
Seems to tell us that peak power and styling sells bikes, specialized put that lower in their priorities than others. The levo may well have been pretty much finished when an avinox powered edriud was conceived. Maybe specialized got it right and we'll see in the longer term what is sucessful but at the moment the avinox is more trendy.
The avinox doesn't have a nice straight line in thermal stabiltiy on the velomotion graphs but it'll still be higher in absolute power terms than competitors at all points on the graph?
WatermanJim
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yeah i know but i run the gravity on my gen 3 just to avoid flats. i hate being that guy...
DirkWisely
Well-known member
The angle of your pictures really make the G4 downtube look huge!
I think the trend right now is crystal clear: a full power emtb in a slick SL package. And for me it doesn't really need to have 1kW peak power and 120Nm of torque, lower numbers (similar to Gen3) would work just fine, better to have a bit more range and better reliability than insanely powerful motor ... Spesh sadly went in a completely different direction, because at the time of developing gen4, the trend and what customers wanted was something completely different and they failed to foresee the future, no one even imagined that a full power SL ebikes are even possible ...
Spesh also had another problem: if the new Levo would somehow comply with current trends, this would kill the need for Levo SL entirely and they are just not prepared for that ...
Spesh also had another problem: if the new Levo would somehow comply with current trends, this would kill the need for Levo SL entirely and they are just not prepared for that ...
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WatermanJim
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Ok just returned from the LBS with my class 3 levo. Got the first real ride tomorrow but the parking lot test was much better than expected. quiet! smooth! refined! The feel is unreal. Wow this is what i have been waiting for. Not crazy fast just quick and the speed limiter does not interfere at 20 which is absolutely fantastic and the game changing feature. you guys in the UK/EU are right to be upset with us hahaha. Sure it weighs more and i can feel it moving it around the shop but the extra weight is more in the motor area so its low and centered and did not feel "too heavy" trying a few bunny hops.
The fatass downtube does take a little getting used to but don't let it and a couple extra LBs ruin a good time. i was nervous with all the chit chat amflow bla bla but i am 100% happy so far and can confidently report that it is a game changer and Spesh hit it out of the park again imo, getting closer to the perfect allround ebike. Cheers y'all
The fatass downtube does take a little getting used to but don't let it and a couple extra LBs ruin a good time. i was nervous with all the chit chat amflow bla bla but i am 100% happy so far and can confidently report that it is a game changer and Spesh hit it out of the park again imo, getting closer to the perfect allround ebike. Cheers y'all
RoissyAngel
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“There’s no escaping that thick tube”?
Tell that to the Unno Mith — similar power (105 Nm), full-size battery (800 Wh), lower weight (21.2 kg / 46.7 lb), more travel (170 / 160 mm) and it doesn’t look like it swallowed a fire extinguisher. The Levo Gen 4 is less eMTB, more mobile power station with pedals.
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That's the business. Looks fab.
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