It is a complete new design on the Axle . Gen 3 will not fit. I already have the bike.
Levo Gen 4 Specialized Gen 4 Levo - Official Thread
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Does it mean that G3 crankarm neither will fit?
The Axle is normal Isis so this will fit , the hollow axle where the spider is fixed on is a new splined design
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Gropec
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Did we establish which tyres are being fitted in the UK?
A friend of mine has just been to purchase the bike but has come away disappointed with tyre clearance!
I was thinking if it’s actually fitted with a 2.5” he could maybe size down to a 2.3”?
A friend of mine has just been to purchase the bike but has come away disappointed with tyre clearance!
I was thinking if it’s actually fitted with a 2.5” he could maybe size down to a 2.3”?
The side loading battery and bigger downtube would imho only make sense if the battery system would be really designed modular, like having battery made from 2 (or 3) separated battery units which you can stack up together depending on if you need max. range or min. weight ... and that you can put all of them inside the downtube ... + optional external RE for even more range or to be lightest as possible with RE only. This would be something deserving the 'revolutionary' or 'game changer' title, maybe Gen4 was meant to be only the first step into this direction, but as I can see it now the Gen5 might be with us even earlier that usual 3-4 year cycle, maybe in about 2 years ... on the other hand, I really hope spesh now sees how important is to have a slick downtube and low weight, much more that having so big quickly removable internal battery (RE for longer rides can still give you this when needed)... If Spesh want's, they could really extract some very valuable data from Zim's 'What do you dislike about the 2026 Gen4 Levo' pool.
Zim, when Gen5 Rumors thread?
The way it is now, this only benefits to people which have multiple batteries or are living in a (small) apartments with basement/storage place without electricity (or without heating during the winter), so they can quickly remove the battery and bring it in for a charge. But are this really majority of spesh customers??
If you can mill the octagon into a splinedOk, tbanks
So you confirm i can't reuse my ochain from my gen3?
Sad
But even then, it will never match with lock ring and chainline..electricbogaloo
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I've read a review where they said the bike handles worse when just the range extender is fitted because it sits so high in the frame vs the big battery.The side loading battery and bigger downtube would imho only make sense if the battery system would be really designed modular, like having battery made from 2 (or 3) separated battery units which you can stack up together depending on if you need max. range or min. weight ... and that you can put all of them inside the downtube ... + optional external RE for even more range or to be lightest as possible with RE only. This would be something deserving the 'revolutionary' or 'game changer' title, maybe Gen4 was meant to be only the first step into this direction, but as I can see it now the Gen5 might be with us even earlier that usual 3-4 year cycle, maybe in about 2 years ... on the other hand, I really hope spesh now sees how important is to have a slick downtube and low weight, much more that having so big quickly removable internal battery (RE for longer rides can still give you this when needed)... If Spesh want's, they could really extract some very valuable data from Zim's 'What do you dislike about the 2026 Gen4 Levo' pool.
Zim, when Gen5 Rumors thread?
The way it is now, this only benefits to people which have multiple batteries or are living in a (small) apartments with basement/storage place without electricity (or without heating during the winter), so they can quickly remove the battery and bring it in for a charge. But are this really majority of spesh customers??
electricbogaloo
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New 2025 Specialized Turbo Levo on Test – The Benchmark for 2025?
111 Nm torque, 720 watts peak output, and a hefty €14,499 price tag – the all-new 2025 Specialized Turbo Levo 2025 has finally landed. And of course, we’ve put it through its paces for you.
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Gotta say though with early reviews, especially when its brands like Santa Cruz or Specialized they often read too rosy. While its true that weight distribution matters, absolute weight is absolutely noticeable on the trail. So the bike being more nibmle in every respect with the big battery is hard to believe. Ususally you notice it as soon as you leave the ground or the trail is steep or has twisty direction changes. Its simple physics. Specialized can't get around that.
They may bolt on but, the gen 3 crank arms are asymmetrical, Something asymmetrical has two sides that don't match, different offset. The gen 4 cranks are symmetrical, symmetrical means that both sides of something are identical, or in this case same offset. So if you put gen 3 cranks on a gen 4, one crank might hit the chain stay and the other might be 30mm away from the chain stay.
zerofunds
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I'm still a bit confused that YT used super natural as marketing and then released a bike called super natural and then specialized just copied and pasted. They really missed the mark in almost all aspects of the Gen4.
ricko
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For what it's worth, my opinion on the Gen 4 that I have actually ridden, as I purchased a Gen 4 Pro.
I came from a Trek Rail 9.9 XX1 (Bosch Gen 4) and have owned Shimano EP8 powered bikes.
I ruled out the Amflow early as while a great motor, it just isn't in the same class of bike IMO. I wanted a bike I didn't feel the need to upgrade to be happy with it. The motor outshines the rest of the package in the short ride I have had on it. I also prefer LBS support of which there is none in my area.
It was then between the Levo and the Santa Cruz Vala. My LBS sells both.
I went with the Levo as the bigger battery was worth it for me as the range extender was an essential for the Vala and my useage case (regular long jaunts and an annual organised event that 600Wh will not power).
Visually to me the bike looks miles better than the Gen 3, I'll take the larger downtube over the bulbous motor area and support strut any day. But in the end it's how it rides that counts and looks are subjective.
On that count, it is awesome. Much more agile than the Rail I had previously, but also more capable in ploughing through poor line choices (common for me). The Rail was no slouch here.
The motor is great, I don't see value in more power or torque. Delivery of what it puts out is superb.
Quieter under power than the Bosch, with no rattling downhill. None.
I'll get the range extender and report back on riding with just it, as a lap of my local trail could be done with it alone and I am curious as to how the weight saving translates to the ride.
The finish of the bike is impeccable.
I am also not one of those who will buy a Specialized and nothing else, like a large group of my riding mates. My last Specialized was an Enduro several bikes ago. I have owned bikes from Giant, Scott, Norco, Trek and Specialized.
That said I am extremely happy with my purchasing decision, and would recommend to anyone. While a significant outlay, in Australia at least the launch price of the Pro is actually $2100 cheaper than the Gen 3, which is currently $16k (AUD) on runout
I came from a Trek Rail 9.9 XX1 (Bosch Gen 4) and have owned Shimano EP8 powered bikes.
I ruled out the Amflow early as while a great motor, it just isn't in the same class of bike IMO. I wanted a bike I didn't feel the need to upgrade to be happy with it. The motor outshines the rest of the package in the short ride I have had on it. I also prefer LBS support of which there is none in my area.
It was then between the Levo and the Santa Cruz Vala. My LBS sells both.
I went with the Levo as the bigger battery was worth it for me as the range extender was an essential for the Vala and my useage case (regular long jaunts and an annual organised event that 600Wh will not power).
Visually to me the bike looks miles better than the Gen 3, I'll take the larger downtube over the bulbous motor area and support strut any day. But in the end it's how it rides that counts and looks are subjective.
On that count, it is awesome. Much more agile than the Rail I had previously, but also more capable in ploughing through poor line choices (common for me). The Rail was no slouch here.
The motor is great, I don't see value in more power or torque. Delivery of what it puts out is superb.
Quieter under power than the Bosch, with no rattling downhill. None.
I'll get the range extender and report back on riding with just it, as a lap of my local trail could be done with it alone and I am curious as to how the weight saving translates to the ride.
The finish of the bike is impeccable.
I am also not one of those who will buy a Specialized and nothing else, like a large group of my riding mates. My last Specialized was an Enduro several bikes ago. I have owned bikes from Giant, Scott, Norco, Trek and Specialized.
That said I am extremely happy with my purchasing decision, and would recommend to anyone. While a significant outlay, in Australia at least the launch price of the Pro is actually $2100 cheaper than the Gen 3, which is currently $16k (AUD) on runout
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Hoppy
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Has anyone asked why the jump status are gone?
Get to ride the Gen 4 this week back to back with my AMflow. Ok I know it’s not going to be as quick but I am expecting it to handle well and have great brakes along with a power increase that I can feel over the Gen3, i hope the looks become a grower. The dealer I use has only sold one S works so far he tells me. I do have a use for this S works for riding with mates that don’t run AFs. Would love an Unno but dealer says no idea when he’s going to get an S3, also get feeling that back up is not going to be great.
DuncanDoughnuts
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Curious about this .....
I watched this test yesterday evening and made so much sense.
Specialized 3.1 Motor: Deep Dive & Dyno Tested! They basically claim that the gen 3 with the 700 gets more range than the gen 4 with 840 battery... I suppose this makes sense with the extra power...but that was a S-works. I suspect the normal persons Pro will prob get the same range....
Lower the motor power to 90% (to the same power as a gen 3) and you will get lots more range.
I usually ride my Gen3 at about 70 to 80% motor power (I suppose the same power as a Bosch or Shimano ) but I do this purely for the range. So I recon if I do the same to the gen 4 I will get massive range on teh 840 battery. (I dont need 100nm and dont drag race.)
I am also hugely interested in the auto mode .... once you get your bike you keen to test Auto and give us some feedback ?
I'm sure it will be possible to get longer range on G4 since it's way more possibilities to make it fit your personal riding style and the dynamic microtune is pretty amazing (as the rest of the bike)...sorry amflow.Curious about this .....
I watched this test yesterday evening and made so much sense.
They basically claim that the gen 3 with the 700 gets more range than the gen 4 with 840 battery... I suppose this makes sense with the extra power...but that was a S-works. I suspect the normal persons Pro will prob get the same range....
Lower the motor power to 90% (to the same power as a gen 3) and you will get lots more range.
I usually ride my Gen3 at about 70 to 80% motor power (I suppose the same power as a Bosch or Shimano ) but I do this purely for the range. So I recon if I do the same to the gen 4 I will get massive range on teh 840 battery. (I dont need 100nm and dont drag race.)
I am also hugely interested in the auto mode .... once you get your bike you keen to test Auto and give us some feedback ?
Porky boy Gen 4, would not see what way an Amflow went. Be to busy finding a micro tune. Dont expect to see to many Paid For, back to back tests with the likes of an Amflow. Note initial take up on the S works is below expectation , Ie better bikes available for a lot less and not worth the upgrade cost from a Gen 3. The ship has sailed this time chaps, shame if it was out this time last year might have had a chance IMO.
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With the forbidden and uno dropping they make both the vala and gen 4 levo look out of date. These two are where e-bikes need to go, full power, decent battery size (800wh) and look like normal bikes. For me this is the future of emtb, not a massive heavy Levo or a vala with a range extender.
Agree about the bike but not everyone wants a super sexy, most powerful, lightweight 170mm travel bike.
Some people prefer a good dealer network, great dealer support and a solid, reliable bike that will take a lot of abuse.
(Though I understand tyre clearance is sadly lacking; no good in the UK)
Horses for courses and all that.
I plan to replace my good old Levo 2018 with a new bike. Have been waiting for the Gen 4 as many. Competition is getting even stronger this year for Specialized. So, I think they should deliver a software upgrade to 111 nm for the rest of the line within this season, even if a motor with this strength is not the most important criteria for me personally. Color and specs on the Levo Pro could fit my cup of tee, but unfortunately out of my budget/too expensive.
Main thing what holds me back buying is the pricing. I will wait until the local bike shops in my area (Western Germany) are prepared to offer a relevant discount. With season starting in Europe and launch time for the new Gen 4 discounts tend to be modest as far as I can tell.
Because I will run my E-MTB mainly in high altitude terrain during holiday vacation, the Gen 4 with high battery capacity as stock suits my personal use case. To run lighter in other scenarios makes the new Levo more flexible than others. The overall setup options including the geometry settings are more sophisticated than with the predecessor and especially with my Gen 1. For me that is a substantial improvement. The down tube could have been slimmer at the expense of the storage compartment (SWAT). The overall design doesn't look very dynamic, and that is a pity.
Nevertheless, the Gen 4 with the whole package of improvements - if prices (relevant discounts) will drop during the year - will be in my evoked set together with Santa Cruz Vala and the new Mondraker Crafty Carbon at the moment. What alternatives are you guys considering and why (trail bike capable of technical and fast terrain)?
Main thing what holds me back buying is the pricing. I will wait until the local bike shops in my area (Western Germany) are prepared to offer a relevant discount. With season starting in Europe and launch time for the new Gen 4 discounts tend to be modest as far as I can tell.
Because I will run my E-MTB mainly in high altitude terrain during holiday vacation, the Gen 4 with high battery capacity as stock suits my personal use case. To run lighter in other scenarios makes the new Levo more flexible than others. The overall setup options including the geometry settings are more sophisticated than with the predecessor and especially with my Gen 1. For me that is a substantial improvement. The down tube could have been slimmer at the expense of the storage compartment (SWAT). The overall design doesn't look very dynamic, and that is a pity.
Nevertheless, the Gen 4 with the whole package of improvements - if prices (relevant discounts) will drop during the year - will be in my evoked set together with Santa Cruz Vala and the new Mondraker Crafty Carbon at the moment. What alternatives are you guys considering and why (trail bike capable of technical and fast terrain)?
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For sure these bikes will sell. Specialized and reliability don’t go hand in hand….
tho no one can argue about their customer service.
However no mountain biker dropping 7k on a bike will say “I don’t want a super sexy bike”
The Specialized manual says 27.5 x 2.40" for the rear. That really isn't much. Hopefully the new Schwalbe Albert Radial Gravity in 2.50" or Minion DHR II in 2.50 " will fit. Strange, that the new Specialized Butcher 2.40" tires have been already announced but not specced yet. Maybe they will do a running change when the new tires are available in larger quantities...
Have the 2.5 Mary on it and there is plenty of space also 2.6 will be fitting..
Hi @Lexle , good to see you here in the forum. Hope, things are going well. What is your impression of the new Gen 4 - happy so far?
The Prob Spec have now is that the likes of Amflow, UNO, Forbid etc must have a fraction of the budget that Spec have to work with let alone time spent at the coal face so to speak, and yet they come out with what are really good looking bikes. Spec should pull this bike and go back to the drawing board if ever there was a marketing flop this is it. Should add that in one of the videos the chaps from Spec looked fed up and like they did not even want to be on the test, dont blame em TBH.
I like it a lot, for me a great improvement to the Gen 3.. And I have the direct comparison with my Amflow
Ride an Amflow and ride a Levo S-Works gen 4 and you will feel the difference, I have both and the Levo rides that much better….
I don’t think they should pull it as people will always want the newest version of a brand they like.
I’ve rode the gen 3 s works for 2 years and it was a great bike, I got a canyon last year for quarter the price and it rides just as good if not better.
Most e-bikes now are very good so there isn’t much between them unless we’re talking SLs.
Im sure the forbidden and uno will ride just as good if not better than the Levo due to the weight differences alone.
I sometimes think it depends if youre a ebike guy or a mtb guy. I came from mtb and still ride normal mtb so for me these new breeds are attractive on the eye and the weight is key. I’m not bothered by the power but it is a nice bonus.
Yea - the Amflow is a cool concept. Is not in my evoked set, although I have never ridden one. Important criteria for me is a planted bike with a plush but still poppy enough rear end - the bike should be still in the trail domain with geometry adjustment = flexability, but capable of technical terrain like Finale Ligure or Lage di Garda, for example.
I think the Fox Genie shock is a good move from Specialized together with the long-term proofed Horst Link suspension. Already, improved the Levo SL 2025 by a good amount in my opinion.
@Lexle How would you describe the riding feel compared to the Amflow regarding the rear suspension. Do you double down on the Amflow tests, that the rear suspension/frame has limits (with your insides comparing to the Levo/Genie concept)?
@Ribinrobin Still ride normal MTB too, just preparing for a classical Transalpine from Austria to Italy with my light XC bike. In my opinion, even if E-MTB's have made huge development progress over the last years, I still find models in the same category (All Mountain etc.) at least as different as bio MTB. Wheigt makes a full power E-MTB more planted on fast downhill tracks. Riding such a track with a light E-MTB is a complete different story. If I had to choose only one do-it-all MTB I would prioritize wheight as one of the most important buying creteria, too. Regarding full power E-MTB I am with the guys of most of the Youtube E-MTB magazines, that the weight discussion is a little overrated by us consumers. The good thing about the Gen 4 is, it can be specced lighter.
I think the Fox Genie shock is a good move from Specialized together with the long-term proofed Horst Link suspension. Already, improved the Levo SL 2025 by a good amount in my opinion.
@Lexle How would you describe the riding feel compared to the Amflow regarding the rear suspension. Do you double down on the Amflow tests, that the rear suspension/frame has limits (with your insides comparing to the Levo/Genie concept)?
@Ribinrobin Still ride normal MTB too, just preparing for a classical Transalpine from Austria to Italy with my light XC bike. In my opinion, even if E-MTB's have made huge development progress over the last years, I still find models in the same category (All Mountain etc.) at least as different as bio MTB. Wheigt makes a full power E-MTB more planted on fast downhill tracks. Riding such a track with a light E-MTB is a complete different story. If I had to choose only one do-it-all MTB I would prioritize wheight as one of the most important buying creteria, too. Regarding full power E-MTB I am with the guys of most of the Youtube E-MTB magazines, that the weight discussion is a little overrated by us consumers. The good thing about the Gen 4 is, it can be specced lighter.
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