Shimano AXS equivalent... when?!?!

xtraman122 said:
Every company starts with the flagship release first, this is common, XT will absolutely come. Look how long it took SRAM to release the mechanical T-Types… I’m sure Shimano will be a much quicker follow than that, but you get the idea, probably a closer timeline to Spesh dropping the Carbon Gen 4 models first and then waiting a bit for the alloy.
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But what about the Wireless Linkglide ? Because they only released XTR Linkglide in Wired.

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Astro66 said:
But what about the Wireless Linkglide ? Because they only released XTR Linkglide in Wired.
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I read "Direct Wired" for the Linkglide version as meaning it is directly connected (wired) to the E-bike battery to power its wireless operation! NOT that it is still cable (wire) operated.;)
 
Joecrow said:
I read "Direct Wired" for the Linkglide version as meaning it is directly connected (wired) to the E-bike battery to power its wireless operation! NOT that it is still cable operated.;)
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Yes, I agree that’s what it means. Didn’t it say somewhere they all use the same shifter? I though the only difference was cassettes and derailleurs.
 
Joecrow said:
I read "Direct Wired" for the Linkglide version as meaning it is directly connected (wired) to the E-bike battery to power its wireless operation! NOT that it is still cable (wire) operated.;)
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It runs a SD300 Port. So you can only plug it into a Shimano Motor, or a Bosch motor with a EW-PS300 cable. SD300 port is 7.4 volts. Most EMTB batteries are not 7.4 volts. So you need a 7.4V voltage converter in the motor.

Why wouldn't they just run a battery like the 12 speed, so you can use it on any Motor, like SRAM AXS ?

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Astro66 said:
It runs a SD300 Port. So you can only plug it into a Shimano Motor, or a Bosch motor with a EW-PS300 cable. SD300 port is 7.4 volts. Most EMTB batteries are not 7.4 volts. So you need a 7.4V voltage converter in the motor.

Why wouldn't they just run a battery like the 12 speed, so you can use it on any Motor, like SRAM AXS ?

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Because it makes sense to run it from the main battery on an emtb. I'm sure it'll be compatible with all the major motor brands. It would be a major oversight if it isn't.

Many bikes are now coming with AXS derailleurs powered from the bike battery also.
 
DylanJM said:
Because it makes sense to run it from the main battery on an emtb. I'm sure it'll be compatible with all the major motor brands. It would be a major oversight if it isn't.
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Agreed, it would definitely be dumb if it was not possible to run it direct to one of the 12 volt power ports on the Bosch motors.
We need more details.:unsure::whistle:
 
DylanJM said:
Because it makes sense to run it from the main battery on an emtb. I'm sure it'll be compatible with all the major motor brands. It would be a major oversight if it isn't.

Many bikes are now coming with AXS derailleurs powered from the bike battery also.
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Not every motor is going to run a 7.4V power supply. And it clearly says EW-PS300 compatible, which only plugs into a Bosch.

Having built two Di2 EMTBs. You can only assume compatibility with what Shimano state in their Technical Documents. And that states SD300 or EW-PS300.
 
Astro66 said:
Not every motor is going to run a 7.4V power supply. And it clearly says EW-PS300 compatible, which only plugs into a Bosch.

Having built two Di2 EMTBs. You can only assume compatibility with what Shimano state in their Technical Documents. And that states SD300 or EW-PS300.
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Well then it's pretty short sighted of them to limit it's compatibility and not offer powering solutions for all the major motor brands.
 
Astro66 said:
You can only assume compatibility with what Shimano state in their Technical Documents. And that states SD300 or EW-PS300.
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Hmm, seems that EW-PS300 cable has a dongle to convert from 12 volt and it is not cheap (around Euro 80,-) so if Shimano really has not made the deraileur multi input voltage capable then they will indeed have suffered a major oversight!
 
So.... Looks like they dropped a very interesting product.

For people asking about Linkglide vs Hyperglide... They released for both...
Have a look here:

I love the shifter! It's fast and you can shift two cogs at a time! Amazing!
Also the shape does not require to learn buttons positions.

I am very glad that Shimano did this. If I'll ever go for electronic shifting, it will.be a Shimano!
 
Joecrow said:
Oh wow, looks like it will be Wheel Top/Peak for me, shame.:(
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Well, the price mentioned is for the entire drivetrain, not only for the derailleur/shifter!
 
Joecrow said:
@Astro66 Quote:- "AUD$1500 for Derailleur and Shifter. "
That's over €850,- :eek:
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Cheapest SRAM AXS, is the GX Eagle. And that sells for about AUD$1000 for Derailleur, Shifter, battery and charger. So if Shimano release a XT version. It should be price compatible.

I paid AUD$420 for my existing wired 12S XT Di2 Derailleur and AUD$220 for the Di2 Shifter. So add wireless and battery, and the 12S XT Di2 Wireless Upgrade Kit should be around AUD$900 when/if they release it.
 
DylanJM said:
Well then it's pretty short sighted of them to limit it's compatibility and not offer powering solutions for all the major motor brands.
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What Shimano should have done, is make the wired cable the same as SRAM. Where the wired cable just goes into the battery slot. That way you have a choice of running wired or battery depending on your ability to pick up a power supply at the motor.

This also means you only need one production version of the derailleur. One that can take a battery. Where now they have 2 slightly different manufacturing processes, and 2 products to stock.
 
Astro66 said:
What Shimano should have done, is make the wired cable the same as SRAM. Where the wired cable just goes into the battery slot. That way you have a choice of running wired or battery depending on your ability to pick up a power supply at the motor.

This also means you only need one production version of the derailleur. One that can take a battery. Where now they have 2 slightly different manufacturing processes, and 2 products to stock.
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man, they should have hired you :D
 

Hmmm ....... XT and Deore version is out. Still quite expensive compared to SRAM Transmission T-Type wireless.

I can get a SRAM GX Eagle T-Type AXS Transmission Rear Derailleur for AUD$599.
SRAM GX XS-1275 Cassette for AUD$330.
SRAM Eagle 70 T-Type Chain for AUD$50.

Really doesn't make the conversion to Shimano on my Amflow worthwhile. So looks like I'll just stick to the existing wireless Shimano XT Di2 Transmission on my Shimano Motored Merida. And leave the Amflow transmission SRAM.
 
Astro66 said:

Hmmm ....... XT and Deore version is out. Still quite expensive compared to SRAM Transmission T-Type wireless.

I can get a SRAM GX Eagle T-Type AXS Transmission Rear Derailleur for AUD$599.
SRAM GX XS-1275 Cassette for AUD$330.
SRAM Eagle 70 T-Type Chain for AUD$50.

Really doesn't make the conversion to Shimano on my Amflow worthwhile. So looks like I'll just stick to the existing wireless Shimano XT Di2 Transmission on my Shimano Motored Merida. And leave the Amflow transmission SRAM.
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The review I read quoted the upgrade kit as being significantly cheaper than SRAM AXS/Transmission
 
Astro66 said:

Hmmm ....... XT and Deore version is out. Still quite expensive compared to SRAM Transmission T-Type wireless.

I can get a SRAM GX Eagle T-Type AXS Transmission Rear Derailleur for AUD$599.
SRAM GX XS-1275 Cassette for AUD$330.
SRAM Eagle 70 T-Type Chain for AUD$50.

Really doesn't make the conversion to Shimano on my Amflow worthwhile. So looks like I'll just stick to the existing wireless Shimano XT Di2 Transmission on my Shimano Motored Merida. And leave the Amflow transmission SRAM.
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That’s weird, in Canada a Shimano XT cassette is a good amount less than a T-type GX.

To me the most appealing part is being able to run a Shimano Linkglide 11spd cassette with the new wireless derailleurs.
I recently switched back from SRAM T-Type to Shimano Linkglide and prefer it quite a bit. Stronger parts and cheaper cassettes that last longer. Win win.
 
jbrown15 said:
That’s weird, in Canada a Shimano XT cassette is a good amount less than a T-type GX.

To me the most appealing part is being able to run a Shimano Linkglide 11spd cassette with the new wireless derailleurs.
I recently switched back from SRAM T-Type to Shimano Linkglide and prefer it quite a bit. Stronger parts and cheaper cassettes that last longer. Win win.
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I ran the Di2 XT 11S Linkglide Derailleur and Cassette on my previous Merida with the Shimano EP6 motor. It definitely doesn't shift as fast as the Di2 XT 12S Hyperglide+ system I have on my new Merida with the EP801. But it was long lasting.

The SRAM wireless AXS T-Type I'm running on the Amflow does seem to perform very well. But yes. The cassettes are 3 times the cost. Chains about the same price. Derailleur about the same price.

I guess if this cassette wears quickly, I'll relook at the Linkglide. Otherwise I'll just cop the AUD$300 cassettes. It should be no more than one cassette every 2 years.
 
HandsomeDanNZ said:
The review I read quoted the upgrade kit as being significantly cheaper than SRAM AXS/Transmission
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Let's see when it hits the stores.
I would love to get rid of the old wired sram and go for the Shimano, as soon as I need to replace the cassette of course. Not before that 😅
 
HandsomeDanNZ said:
The review I read quoted the upgrade kit as being significantly cheaper than SRAM AXS/Transmission
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Well that video says the new 12S XT wireless derailleur with battery is AUD$900. I can get the entire GX Eagle wireless upgrade kit for that. And the GX T-Type derailleur for $600. But that's no battery, but I don't need a battery for the DJI motor.

It's really only the cassette where you can save money with the Shimano.
 
Astro66 said:
Well that video says the new 12S XT wireless derailleur with battery is AUD$900. I can get the entire GX Eagle wireless upgrade kit for that. And the GX T-Type derailleur for $600. But that's no battery, but I don't need a battery for the DJI motor.

It's really only the cassette where you can save money with the Shimano.
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Wait until the parts are In stores. I am confident there will be options to pay much less than the announced price.
 
unclezz said:
Wait until the parts are In stores. I am confident there will be options to pay much less than the announced price
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Not in stock yet but the XT Di2 is now listed and priced in the German Bike Discount online shop. My interest is in the 11 speed Linkglide version, powered from the E-bike, the bike already has a Linkglide casette so the cost would be as follows:-

DEORE RD-M6260 11-speed rear derailleur Euro 414.95​

DEORE Di2 SW-M6250-R Shifter right Euro 144.95​

Cable for BOSCH Smart System & DI2 rear derailleur Euro 79.90​

Total:- Euro 639.80

More than double what I paid for a Wheel top OX EDS 2.0 (battery version) which (when it arrives) I will be fitting to my older bike as a trial but the Shimano is now definitely looking interesting for my new bike.
 
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Finally their answer to SRAM AXS is here. I am pretty taken aback that it took so long, while SRAM ate up the OEM market the last few years. I'd like to upgrade my Ibis Ripmo first but I may wait and see what deals we get this Black Friday. I really like the improved clearance!
 
Just came across the apparently very cheap Shimano Cues electronic derailleur (around €300 including shifter and bosch cable) . No research but I note the Cues range will also be supported by Bosch along with the XTR/XT etc. Anyone have any experience or comments on the Shimano Cues?
 
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