Porsche are closing down E-bike division and Fazua

Yeah, but for how long is the question. The spares will dry up eventually and I doubt there will be any further production.
Yes, you can hopefully reckon on spares for 5 years but of course which spares will be down to the company to decide based on their mtbf and wear out predictions. Sadly those predictions are seldom the reality, so some things run out while others get thrown away or sold off as excess stock years later!
 
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Not used Cairn as much as I thought. Cracking bike . The battery was goosed when i got it so replacement sent , other than that no issues in 2 years. Wife loves it though so would need to be replaced. Or convert her Kona Sutra in shed to electric.

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Yes, you can hopefully reckon on spares for 5 years but of course which spares will be down to the company to decide based on their mtbf and wear out predictions. Sadly those predictions are seldom the reality, so some things run out while others get thrown away or sold off as excess stock years later!
After CRC/Wiggle went, taking Nukeproof, Vitus & Brand X with it, a couple of Nukeproof guys set up Ascend components to supply spares. They made the calculation a decent market existed & seems they were right. May be the same here, if Fazua sold a million, it isn't much of a stretch for some entrepreneurial soul to have some Chinese factory knock out spares & make a few shekels out of it for the foreseeable future. Obvs depends on things falling into place but it 's not necessarily the end.
 
At the time Porsche were clutching at straws, as they are now doing with increasing desperation. (IMO)
 
I have the first Transition Relay and I dnd't have much issue, couple of time led went yellow blinking due to bad battery connection, but luckily(touching wood) my motor is still ok.
I hope some other brands will make bracket retro fit with Fazua ride 60 motor in case I will be happy if any problem to swap the motor with more realiable one(Maxxon or TQ).
 
Had a reply back from Santa Cruz




Thanks for your message regarding ongoing support for your Heckler SL.



The good news is that as you probably know Santa Cruz offers amazing customer support especially when product back up is concerned and that doesn't change here.



We will be working with Fazua to ensure we have longevity when it comes to spares & general support going forward, we will effectively set up to become self sufficient.



Santa Cruz operates a 10 year parts availably guarantee and should we come across a situation where we can't supply a component that the frame component relies on we will work out a solution with the customer.



This is an evolving situation but the good news is that everyone here is working together to ensure any Fazua equipped bikes have a long & sustainable future.



I hope this helps.



Please let me know if you
have any further questions.
 
I have two transition relays bought in 2023. Motors have worked fine. The only issues I have is sometimes I turn the bike on and get red lights. Remove the battery for a few seconds and it's good to go.

The other bike has a similar issue where it will show blinking yellow lights. Remove and replace the battery and it's good to go. Those things probably happen 1 in every 10-15 times when turning the bike on. Annoying, but aside from that they've been great.

I'm on an M2S bike now and made my eco mode match my Fazua trail mode. It was lacking a bit so punched up the torque to 80nm and it's the dream on my trails. I'll get 2-3 rides on a single charge of the 800wh battery in that mode riding 15-20 miles per ride.
 
Wishing I had been less lazy and gotten my Relay for sale sooner than just yesterday. That said, used motors, rebuilders, etc., will keep us all in Fazuas for many years to come. Also, with the battery removed it would make an insane park bike.
 
Wishing I had been less lazy and gotten my Relay for sale sooner than just yesterday. That said, used motors, rebuilders, etc., will keep us all in Fazuas for many years to come. Also, with the battery removed it would make an insane park bike.
I'm moving to Souther Utah soon as with as many people say they're coming to visit, we're keeping the Relays as spare/rental fleet bikes.
 
The mid power motors really dont save much weight vs the M2S. It's all batteries. IMO Avinox should release a smaller battery option. A removable 400wh and a turned down M2S would be a good combo for lighter builds.
In the case of Fazua it is 600g lighter than Avinox so that isn't what I'd consider a small difference. 400W would not be realistic for the Avinox and would result in customer dissatisfaction. No one, not anyone with mega power available is going to keep the motor detuned for a small battery and eventually will whine about lack of range. Personally I think a lighter and smaller Avinox motor is what would feed this segment well, then a small 400w battery would be appropriate. Make it removable and you have something many would buy.
 
In the case of Fazua it is 600g lighter than Avinox so that isn't what I'd consider a small difference. 400W would not be realistic for the Avinox and would result in customer dissatisfaction. No one, not anyone with mega power available is going to keep the motor detuned for a small battery and eventually will whine about lack of range. Personally I think a lighter and smaller Avinox motor is what would feed this segment well, then a small 400w battery would be appropriate. Make it removable and you have something many would buy.
I disagree. Motor to motor it’s not enough to sway anyone. The biggest weight loss comes from the small battery. A pound or so off bikes in the 40lb range is not much different. If Avinox had a removable 400wh option it would allow riders who want to run in low power settings to keep overall weight down. Thus now you have a very adjustable mid power bike that’s 4lbs lighter than the same bike with a 800wh. For me small removable works great here in the PNW.
 
I disagree. Motor to motor it’s not enough to sway anyone. The biggest weight loss comes from the small battery. A pound or so off bikes in the 40lb range is not much different. If Avinox had a removable 400wh option it would allow riders who want to run in low power settings to keep overall weight down. Thus now you have a very adjustable mid power bike that’s 4lbs lighter than the same bike with a 800wh. For me small removable works great here in the PNW.
I think that's pretty much what I said previously, Avinox + removable small battery, I would buy that. The only thing I would add is cutting weight further by producing a smaller motor, Avinox could surely make a 50-60% version of their current motor which would be more than adequate for my riding fitness and probably a lot of other people's fitness level as well. 400w battery minus 4lbs from 800w, smaller Avinox minus 1.5-2 lbs over current motor, 5.5-6lb weight savings. If a pound or 2 doesn't matter on a 40lb bike, then does a pound or 2 or 4 matter on a 48-50ish pound bike? Does the weight matter? Of course it does, anywhere it can be cut as long as it suits you. Why bother with the current Avinox if you intend to make it "mid-power" anyway? Unless what you really want is have your cake and eat it too, because I know if you have 1000W+ power available, you're going to use it, nothing wrong with that if you have a spare battery (or 2) in your car for more laps.
 
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I think that's pretty much what I said previously, Avinox + removable small battery, I would buy that. The only thing I would add is cutting weight further by producing a smaller motor, Avinox could surely make a 50-60% version of their current motor which would be more than adequate for my riding fitness and probably a lot of other people's fitness level as well. 400w battery minus 4lbs from 800w, smaller Avinox minus 1.5-2 lbs over current motor, 5.5-6lb weight savings. If a pound or 2 doesn't matter on a 40lb bike, then does a pound or 2 or 4 matter on a 48-50ish pound bike? Does the weight matter? Of course it does, anywhere it can be cut as long as it suits you. Why bother with the current Avinox if you intend to make it "mid-power" anyway? Unless what you really want is have your cake and eat it too, because I know if you have 1000W+ power available, you're going to use it, nothing wrong with that if you have a spare battery (or 2) in your car for more laps.
Actually most the people I ride with and hear about dont run full power or intend to with the m2s motor. Myself included. And no 2lbs on a ebike up to a certain point barely makes a difference if any.
 

a few ideas
I think he is completely bias (and wrong) about Avinox. Avinox IS DJI and if you look at their product cycles on drones and cameras this has always been their M.O. which is completely opposite of what the EMTB motor world have been doing up to this point. Having to register your Avinox motor before you ride is debatable but all the concerns he raises about this is speculation because none of his doom and gloom hypothesis have ever happened. Yet…he seems to think it’s ok that Bosch and Specialized sell customers motors, then months or years later they provide a power update. If I had been riding a Bosch or Specialized for over a year at a reduced power level, then suddenly find the motor was always capable of much more I would be pissed. AND…if you don’t own the most expensive Specialized you don’t get the full power upgrade even though your less expensive Specialized has the exact same motor 🤔.

The EMTB world is better than it has ever been and prices are dropping because of Amflow/Avinox and others.
 
I think he is completely bias (and wrong) about Avinox.
Alex just got another opinion (nothing wrong about that) not all likes Avinox since the motor and software works different to Bosch and Specialized.
Ask a MB fanboy about Audi and the same (Bias) opinion will arrive.
 
regarding software, ask louis rossman or gamers nexus (who is an MTB rider) what they think about the login needed...
 
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