High Rock Ruti
Active member
High Rock RutiDo you worry about flying ? because lots of parts on modern passenger aircraft are glued together![]()
As is your car, just saying?
Warm Regards Ruti
High Rock RutiDo you worry about flying ? because lots of parts on modern passenger aircraft are glued together![]()
That would certainly give your inner thighs a workout.Just Imagine your bike splitting in two, and always at the wrong moment!
That test in bike radar was flawed from the beginning. The tester had preconceived assumptions based on the geometry and tried to change the Voima to emulate other bikes geo, rather than having an open mind and testing the bike setup as Pole intended it to be and in the process he totally screwed up the settings and in turn, he messed up the way the bike handled. It’s a totally different bike by design and isn’t intended to be setup like other bikes. The high bb helps it turn quicker not slower. Also he increased the sag so much in an effort to lower the bb, it ruined the way the suspension handled. The tester also acted like he knew more than Pole about how the bike should be setup. He was a total douche and that test should not be taken seriously.Rob did not mention anything a bout a flip chip which seems de rigour on most new bikes now; and if there was one it might be able to resolve the inevitable issues caused by a high bb....and therefore high centre of mass. Bike on high for adventure climbing with gnarly climbs.............bike on low setting for fast singletrack and downhill.
In the review of the Whyte E160 RSX Bikeradar made some comparisons with the Pole and specifically noted the extra effort required to manoevre the bike through twisty turns. Rob stated he found a way how to get it to turn in well but in my experience that is not the issue with a bike that has a higher centre of mass, it is correcting the bike to an upright stance after leaning it in that is the issue. Looks easy enough on the Pole design to include a flip chip.
I like the idea of CNC machined and bonded frames..............I would far prefer that to any mass produced carbon frame.
Pole feels a bit firmer to ride - it’s way more progressive in the travel. Pole climbs much better due to suspension design and higher BB. Kenevo in 29er is the closest bike in performance to the Pole.How does it compare to your kenevo 29er build????
Well I could not understand how he chose to set up the Fox 38 and Float X on the Whyte either!! Very different to Fox recommendations and my set up with the 38 which I have on 2 bikes.That test in bike radar was flawed from the beginning. The tester had preconceived assumptions based on the geometry and tried to change the Voima to emulate other bikes geo, rather than having an open mind and testing the bike setup as Pole intended it to be and in the process he totally screwed up the settings and in turn, he messed up the way the bike handled. It’s a totally different bike by design and isn’t intended to be setup like other bikes. The high bb helps it turn quicker not slower. Also he increased the sag so much, it ruined the way the suspension handled. The tester also acted like he knew more than Pole about how the bike should be setup. He was a total douche and that test should not be taken seriously.
Please please pleasePole feels a bit firmer to ride - it’s way more progressive in the travel. Pole climbs much better due to suspension design and higher BB. Kenevo in 29er is the closest bike in performance to the Pole.
Descending would be amazing comparison that I want to do (and time.).
Kenevo is about 1.5KG lighter (that’s in the frame, battery and battery hardware).
Here’s a pic of mineHey folks, next n00b Voima building question - I've just fitted a chainring to the Voima, and it really doesn't look right. Chainline looks way out, when compared to the chain guide. Am I supposed to space this out, or have I bought the wrong chainring? I can't find a figure for the Voima chainline.
Rotor Bike Components UK
rotoruk.co.uk
The lockring supplied with the chainring doesn't fit, either, so I used the Bosch one supplied with the frame.
View attachment 101492
Thanks @Rob Rides EMTB - that helps a lot.
It's this one - Rotor ROUND DM BOSCH® e-MTB RING R32T BLACK@NickyTee which chainring is it you got?
There should be some extra spacers for the chain guide to space it out some.It's this one - Rotor ROUND DM BOSCH® e-MTB RING R32T BLACK
ROUND DM BOSCH® e-MTB RING R32T BLACK | C01-525-29010-0
ROUND DM BOSCH® e-MTB RING R32T BLACK Chainline 52 mm (Boost) Weight (34t) 96 gr Chainring assembly Direct Mount Lockring 8.5 gr / Included Material 7075-T6 CNC Alloy Technologies Alu7075...rotoruk.co.uk
52 is the correct offset, double check everything is put on in the correct order. Can’t remember what it is right nowIt's this one - Rotor ROUND DM BOSCH® e-MTB RING R32T BLACK
ROUND DM BOSCH® e-MTB RING R32T BLACK | C01-525-29010-0
ROUND DM BOSCH® e-MTB RING R32T BLACK Chainline 52 mm (Boost) Weight (34t) 96 gr Chainring assembly Direct Mount Lockring 8.5 gr / Included Material 7075-T6 CNC Alloy Technologies Alu7075...rotoruk.co.uk
You should have some spacers in with the box to sort it? They go behind the plastic parts and ali adjuster?Hey folks, next n00b Voima building question - I've just fitted a chainring to the Voima, and it really doesn't look right. Chainline looks way out, when compared to the chain guide. Am I supposed to space this out, or have I bought the wrong chainring? I can't find a figure for the Voima chainline.
Rotor Bike Components UK
rotoruk.co.uk
The lockring supplied with the chainring doesn't fit, either, so I used the Bosch one supplied with the frame.
View attachment 101492
Rob you are quite a tall guy, a steep seat stay angle such as the Voima in an XLarge frame will equate to a slacker angle in say Medium frames due to the relationship of length of the stay and seatpost combined together with the longer than usual chainstay (a long chainstay length will slacken the effective seat stay angle allowing better climbing ).
OK I can think that through, but looking at you riding the Voima, you look like we did way back in the 80's and 90's, riding on top of the bike rather than "in" the bike as Whyte and other bikes trends have gone towards, Have Pole over done the steep seat angle or are they simply compensating correctly for the larger lengths of an XL frame ?
But does this not lead to a real weird feeling when you are riding on or near on the flat, which we probably spend most of time doing, ( ignore the downhill bit as we can move the seat down and out the way ). Does that steep seat post angle create a sitting tall and foward feeling ( much higher COG ) or am I incorrect in that ? If so then aren't we winding the geometry design of the rear part of the frame way way back to the 90's ?
Hi WayneRob you are quite a tall guy, a steep seat stay angle such as the Voima in an XLarge frame will equate to a slacker angle in say Medium frames due to the relationship of length of the stay and seatpost combined together with the longer than usual chainstay (a long chainstay length will slacken the effective seat stay angle allowing better climbing ).
Have Pole over done the steep seat angle or are they simply compensating correctly for the larger lengths of an XL frame ?
Not at all. Its extremely comfortable.But does this not lead to a real weird feeling when you are riding on or near on the flat, which we probably spend most of time doing,
Depends on how you ride. For climbs, a steep seat tube is preferred, due to weight being more central on the bike. I climb with saddle lower, to keep COG low, traction high and can move body position around on the bike more.Does that steep seat post angle create a sitting tall and foward feeling ( much higher COG ) or am I incorrect in that ? If so then aren't we winding the geometry design of the rear part of the frame way way back to the 90's ?
Ooops, yesYou mention seat stay angle? Assume you mean seat tube angle?
Yes this is what I'm interested in. Bear in mind that distribution will change as the bike climbs on steeper and steeper terrain.What a longer chainstay does is change the rider weight distribution from rear to front centre.
AgreedTechnically, a larger length dropper post will allow a taller saddle height, and that in turn will slacken effective seat tube angle if run at maximum height, depending on where the angle is measured from (relative to saddle height).
For climbs, a steep seat tube is preferred, due to weight being more central on the bike. I climb with saddle lower, to keep COG low, traction high and can move body position around on the bike more.
While I fully recommend the Voima for any e-mtber, it might pose a dilemma with these 2 steeds in your stable. I've briefly test rode a Rise and have been with my Voima since mid July. Despite the obvious differences, these bikes are thematically quite different. The Rise is an excellent example of an agile MTB with an efficient "dash" of assist (coming from a modded EP8 rather than the small motor brethren of Fazua and TQ) and modest weight. As such the bike is quite approachable and familiar and can be ridden in a manner like most mtbs we've come to know a love of over the years.Really like the Voima Rob! Love my Rise in L, and thinking of adding the Voima to the fleet (lol!) as the perfect second Ebike. Does this combo make sense? One full fat, as a monster truck, and a Porsche Macan to feel nimble and light with the Rise. If done, then this does commit me to the insane to ride 4 days a week rider. We have such great terrain here in N. California. Tahoe, Downey come to mind for the Voima. Thoughts on the perfect two bikes? You have ridden both, just curious to your thoughts. Also, just a bit concerned about what size I would get in a Voima. I would take an s4 in Levo for sure, and L right on the edge for my Rise, vs. XL. 6'1" 32"inseam. Help Rob!!
The World's largest electric mountain bike community.