we are brexiting, so it would be a UK law thenIt's an EU wide directive isn't it? Maybe we can get Farage to do something useful after all![]()
its 25kph in the UK......Without getting into itI really don't think we are - aaaaanyway, I don't know the reasons it was set at 20KPH, seems like an arbitrary round number to me. The argument to change it would probably have to disprove that reasoning to stand any chance right?
Why are these petitions always riddled with spelling and grammar mistakes? It would only take a few seconds for the author to wash their text through a spell checker and not doing so completely devalues what might otherwise be a decent point. I am extremely skeptical whether the gov.uk petitions section has any real influence on political procedure (almost nothing makes it into the chamber even when they hit the 100k threshold), but the tiny number that do get there all seem to be very carefully worded; the lazily phrased/silly ones just get quietly ignored...
I have no clue....I am not the petitioner, I just posted it here to try and help boost the numbersWhy are these petitions always riddled with spelling and grammar mistakes? It would only take a few seconds for the authore to wash their text through a spell checker and not doing so completely devalues what might otherwise be a decent point. I am extremely skeptical whether the gov.uk petitions section has any real influence on political procedure (almost nothing makes it into the chamber even when they hit the 100k threshold), but the tiny number that do get there all seem to be very carefully worded; the lazily phrased/silly ones just get quietly ignored...
Why are these petitions always riddled with spelling and grammar mistakes? It would only take a few seconds for the author to wash their text through a spell checker and not doing so completely devalues what might otherwise be a decent point. I am extremely skeptical whether the gov.uk petitions section has any real influence on political procedure (almost nothing makes it into the chamber even when they hit the 100k threshold), but the tiny number that do get there all seem to be very carefully worded; the lazily phrased/silly ones just get quietly ignored...
I have tweeted the said transport minister about adopting an increase in emtb cut off speeds in relation to his increase in c2w allowance for the purchase of ebikes for commuting purposes. It will take timeA far more effective way to lobby Govt is to write direct to the Secretaries of State...e.g either Michael Gove ( Environment) or Michael Ellis ( Transport). Assuming we leave the EU either or both would be freed from EU regulations and able to propose new UK Law during the process of adopting..or not...the mass of EU regulations into UK law. That would happen directly after leaving the EU so there is an imminent opportunity to achieve a change without brand new legislation having to be processed in the normal way.
Such an approach would however carry a great deal more weight if it was done by a representative body. So who would be that association?
Obviously the above applies to the UK but our Euro colleagues could pursue a similar process with the EU ( good luck with that!!)
Speed of an ebike at 20mph...is no different to the speed of a normal bike at 20mph, people still couldnt judge itIncreasing restriction to 20 mph may improve safety, and it may not. A risk related to ebikes is that other road users are poor at judging the speed of the ebike in certain situations/terrain the ebike are loving faster than whats expected. Increasing the limit will increase the problem. I don't know of any research showing improved safety related to increased speed on a pedelec.
In europe a lot of cycling infrastructure and infrastucture shared with pedestrians is designed for 25kph max. Increasing the limit will make the ebike (pedelec) less suited for these kinds of infrastructure. That isn't what we want, is it? As far as I know the typical US infrastructure isn't comparable.
Also chances are increased limit will lead to drivers license, type approval, registration, etc being required. There's already some pressure to introduce this, but it's not happening, partly since research show the pedelec has a behaviour and impact comparable to a regular bike.
Not all E bike riders are downhill mtber's....some of us are commuter/social riders who have no interest in bike parks or gravity enduroCan't think of any reason to go to 20Mph on the motor. That's what gravity is for, and it's even more efficient than Eco mode.
Seriously, the big risk is that we end up like the US where people fear speed pedelecs. 16mph is fine, and if it keeps ebikes relatively under the radar as far as trail use, insurance, etc etc is concerned, then im happy with that.
Not all E bike riders are downhill mtber's....some of us are commuter/social riders who have no interest in bike parks or gravity enduro
Yet so many ebike riders are using apps, dongles etc etc to hack their bikes.....go figure. At least if there was a slightly higher legal limit, it would limit the illegallity of hacking motors.......Me too! My eMTB is a work horse - I ride trails, I commute, I shop. The only time I feel like i need more speed is occasionally on the flat when the road is open and clear. But that's rare, and even then I don't *need* the speed. About town, I'm still far faster than a car, door to door.
IMHO 16Mph feels fine for eMTB use, and is plenty for urban commuting.
Would 20mph change my experience significantly? No. But it would start to blur the lines with speed pedelecs, mopeds etc which leave us all at greater risk of negative legislation.
went for a ride in the bush yesterday , average speed was 21kph top speed 63.4 kph thats in the bush on a dusty trail
25k on the street is a joke , no wonder car drivers are pissed off, scooters do 30kph but bike are set to 25
lol i thought you sat there feet up on the bars and sipping a margarita
Or break the law and add a dongle or use an app instead....as some on this forum have done. At least by upping the limit slightly, it might cut down on illegal ebikes on the road.You know you can cycle past 25kph?
If you want *assisted* speed on roads, buy a moped. Not an eMTB.
Sorry, just to add my 2 pence worth. My wife and I did the 100k London Nightride this weekend on our Cube Stereo Hybrid 160 AT and Access. Due the combination of the resistance and the restriction we were slower than old men on their fat bikes, it was mad. The Only place the motor gave us any benefits were the hills at Christal Palace. Down hill mine is a monster, on the road due to the restriction its like a disabled hippo with its hands tied
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