Probably a good idea to differentiate the Avinox Wild so there’s an explanation why it’s more expensive than the Bosch Wild.
Orbea x Avinox Rumours
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So Rise owner with Internal H/S routing here. I didn't like the idea. I swapped the brakes on both our Rises (and one of the droppers) when they arrived. Holding all the parts of the headset together was a fiddle. I've just done a complete rebuild of my bike to replace the front triangle (crash damage) and I'm actually a lot less negative about it than I was.
It's definitely a knack to attaching the fork, but once you've worked it out (for me it was lowering the stand and resting the bottom of the fork on the ground, I've heard other people use a small ratchet strap to hold it in the frame) it's not that bad. On the Rise you need to drop the motor and remove the battery to change any cable or hose anyway - thats a bigger faff than the headset.
The only job I can think of that's made much much worse is replacing a headset bearing - that would mean disconnecting all cables and the brake hose. But I've not actually replaced a headset bearing on a bike in the time I've owned them in the last 15 years and two riders.
Same. Everyone made such a huge deal out of it. HCR is a bit like playing Jenga if you leave it stock. Not certain why everyone acts like it's such a big deal.
I just threw the OEM spacers and stem on the ground and went with electronic shifting and dropper and there is literally nothing there any longer. It's just a rear brake line that enters cleanly below the stem instead of the side of the frame.
And the cable runs are neat, don’t catch on anything and don’t rub. At least if they are it’s inside where you can’t see it (but no issue on mine after 18 mths)
People act like its such a big deal because it's utter garbage. Broke twice on my Wild. Almost severed all of my hoses. You need four hands to assemble it. If you want to change stem you must buy other hardware. Adds a ton of work to a bearing change. Even a simple fork swap is triple the work
I'm glad that the chassis is likely to be essentially the same as my '26 Wild. It's the best handling, maneuvering, rear suspension having bike that I have ever ridden.
I presume that they will drop the Bosch version, but they have the molds already, maybe they will offer both?
I presume that they will drop the Bosch version, but they have the molds already, maybe they will offer both?
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What denomination? Euros?
The GBP to USD conversion makes me sad.
sethimus
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your inability to deduct 20% VAT makes me sad
My government makes me sad (and more).
I don't know how accurate it is, but my dealer told me months ago when I was ordering my Bosch Wild, that I'd be waiting till August and at first there would only be expensive builds available with the Avinox.
Honestly, I thought there was going to be a bigger jump with the M2s so questioned my order but decided not to miss the Summer of riding. The M2s caught up to my CXR in noise and efficiency, yay. The 600/ 800 battery density is the same cell technology as the current Bosch and the 700 is only mildly better, and I just don't care about 150nm/ 1500w at all. Or even 1000w.
I even dig the one single rear brake cable I have entering the headset, I think it looks cool and contributed to my bike being lightweight.
Smartshift with SRAM is a genuine upgrade that I would not mind having, but then I still ride normal bikes and might get spoiled, and it weighs much more than my current setup, so whatever. Bosch will likely offer this sometime soon, but I doubt I'll bother with this upgrade.
I still need chain ring protection so the tucked up Avinox motor doesn't matter to me. Now I'd just need to order a 250-gram chainring protector.
The one thing, that I am almost certain that this new Wild will have is a hardwired electronic dropper post, that is something that could genuinely be cool, if the dropper itself is a high-quality unit similar to my AXS.
Still, the new sleek bikes are always something to behold and I'm sure that the new one looks better.
Honestly, I thought there was going to be a bigger jump with the M2s so questioned my order but decided not to miss the Summer of riding. The M2s caught up to my CXR in noise and efficiency, yay. The 600/ 800 battery density is the same cell technology as the current Bosch and the 700 is only mildly better, and I just don't care about 150nm/ 1500w at all. Or even 1000w.
I even dig the one single rear brake cable I have entering the headset, I think it looks cool and contributed to my bike being lightweight.
Smartshift with SRAM is a genuine upgrade that I would not mind having, but then I still ride normal bikes and might get spoiled, and it weighs much more than my current setup, so whatever. Bosch will likely offer this sometime soon, but I doubt I'll bother with this upgrade.
I still need chain ring protection so the tucked up Avinox motor doesn't matter to me. Now I'd just need to order a 250-gram chainring protector.
The one thing, that I am almost certain that this new Wild will have is a hardwired electronic dropper post, that is something that could genuinely be cool, if the dropper itself is a high-quality unit similar to my AXS.
Still, the new sleek bikes are always something to behold and I'm sure that the new one looks better.
sjturner2112
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The M2 is the old motor with a few fancy new bits. and still rattles. the M2S is the all new engineering motor. The CX-5 does not rattle at all. To me, and because of that, I would prefer it over any avinox except the M2S. My wild is so quiet, I love it, and I don't care if the M2 is a 'better' motor, I cannot stand the rattle, am too used to peace and quiet on the bike.
sjturner2112
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people who work on these bikes say it is no big deal.
sjturner2112
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other people say the opposite, basically, of what you just said.People act like its such a big deal because it's utter garbage. Broke twice on my Wild. Almost severed all of my hoses. You need four hands to assemble it. If you want to change stem you must buy other hardware. Adds a ton of work to a bearing change. Even a simple fork swap is triple the work
MOG
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TQ60 would be the obvious and best choice.
I'd accept a 600 gram weight penalty with a M2S. A TQ60 motor would turn away many buyers I suspect. However, since TQ is now used in the new Rallon RS, I suppose it could happen.
(btw, saw the Rallon RS this week, great looking bike)
There is no setting on a DJI that feels as natural and normal as the TQ motor does.
Besides the main driver of e-bike motor system weight is the battery size and combining a 580- 600w battery with a 1300w motor is pretty silly don't you think?
Then there is differentiation in the products...
Besides the main driver of e-bike motor system weight is the battery size and combining a 580- 600w battery with a 1300w motor is pretty silly don't you think?
Then there is differentiation in the products...
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Personal preference, but I didn't care much for the TQ (had a Fuel Exe with the TQ50) apart from the lack of noise.
M2S/700Wh would be about the same weight as EP801/630Wh. You could always dial the power down for longer rides. Orbea may even do their silly RS tune.
Still think it's a bit strange that Wild is getting the M2S when it has a pretty up to date motor. Rise is in dire need of a new one.
sethimus
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tq is working on something new, maybe they use that? the rallon imho was a proof of concept for integrating tq in their own controller/dropper system
had no time yet to watch it, but afaik they talk about it in this video:
had no time yet to watch it, but afaik they talk about it in this video:
Adyzakydany
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Hi mate, can yoy please remove my quote, my LBS was not happy I shared this info and I dont want to get them in hot water.
Adyzakydany
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Hi mate, can yoy please remove my quote, my LBS was not happy I shared this info and I dont want to get them in hot water.
Highland Wheels
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Oh, when did you get to ride an Avinox bike?
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