Orbea x Avinox Rumours

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80% probability of Orbea Avinox
did you have swing right next to a wall when you were a child?
 
Makes sense as they're not part of ZIV who say no to >750w and Orbea seem to use lots of different motors.
 
It's coming.

Announced in April, production by 3rd quarter.

Knowing this I told my dealer to go ahead and invoice me for the current Orbea Wild with a Bosch just about an hour ago which I won't even get for nearly 4 months! Sheesh.

Of course I don't know the details of the new M2, but for my needs I prefer the Bosch plus the discount I can get on the current model Orbea.

I guess I'd be a bit sad if the M2 was this huge upgrade, but at some you just have to do something right?
 
It's coming.

Announced in April, production by 3rd quarter.

Knowing this I told my dealer to go ahead and invoice me for the current Orbea Wild with a Bosch just about an hour ago which I won't even get for nearly 4 months! Sheesh.

Of course I don't know the details of the new M2, but for my needs I prefer the Bosch plus the discount I can get on the current model Orbea.

I guess I'd be a bit sad if the M2 was this huge upgrade, but at some you just have to do something right?
buying on a discount usually means losing less when you sell it at some point again, but 4 months waiting time for a current gen bike is harsh
 
buying on a discount usually means losing less when you sell it at some point again, but 4 months waiting time for a current gen bike is harsh

I'm hoping he was just trying to get me to take one of his stock units instead and it arrives sooner.
We'll see.
 
Yah, you'll see the Wild Avinox (M2?) around July (to buy). Sadly the Avinox will already be shown by the time my Bosch arrives so it'll already be the 'old' model.

Even knowing that, I just ordered a Bosch Wild. I'm sure both are great but I think the CXR has an advantage in a few aspects and I just have no use for any more power where I live and when I travel to the mountains, any Avinox Bros can just wait 30 seconds at the top for me. Smoothness, silence, reliability, serviceability, bash protection & (possibly) efficiency all took precendence over power I'd very rarely use. Will the M2 change my opinion? I don't know.

The deal was solid as well, less than $7K to my door with a CXR (shit parts though, but I don't care).
 
Yah, you'll see the Wild Avinox (M2?) around July (to buy). Sadly the Avinox will already be shown by the time my Bosch arrives so it'll already be the 'old' model.

Even knowing that, I just ordered a Bosch Wild. I'm sure both are great but I think the CXR has an advantage in a few aspects and I just have no use for any more power where I live and when I travel to the mountains, any Avinox Bros can just wait 30 seconds at the top for me. Smoothness, silence, reliability, serviceability, bash protection & (possibly) efficiency all took precendence over power I'd very rarely use. Will the M2 change my opinion? I don't know.

The deal was solid as well, less than $7K to my door with a CXR (shit parts though, but I don't care).
May I ask which model you bought? what shit parts? Tks.
 
Do you work for Orbea by chance?

I ordered the M20 mullet and paid the extra to get the CXR motor, Kiox Display & saved money going down to the 600w battery. I don't care about the other parts and I'll use them all to rebuild my Relay to sell it off. As far as sh*t parts, no one has anything good to say about the Shimano drivetrain on an e-bike application. The option for a hardwired Transmission X01 would have been an upgrade that I would have made. I don't use trail tires, Al wheels, Al bars, cheaper suspension components, etc. I'm not above it; I just don't have to any longer!

I just wanted the cheapest CF frame with a Bosch CRX, 600wh battery, great geo, great dropper insertion, etc. The Wild is consistently a best-in-class bike but I wonder if the headset cable routing might have hurt sales along with the Avinox stealing some thunder as well.

I have front and rear Avalanche coil suspension that will be installed, Dominion brakes, Oneup dropper, my own bars/ grips/ seat, brand new Crankbrothers cf MX DH wheels with DH tires installed and out of cheapness I'm just going to install a nearly new SRAM X01 11 speed that I have on the shelf.

It would be nice if it comes in under 50#s but with those tires/ wheels/ coil suspension that's going to be a stretch. I mean I already installed tires on the wheels, and they were like 1450 grams each!

Honestly, I'm just thrilled to have completed the tedious task of trying to choose a new e-bike. The more I learn about bikes, the harder it becomes! I find that most bike designers seem to have become quite boring and unimaginative in their approaches. In the case of Orbea, the product is real good which is why I choose it. But you should be able to select a frame, select its material, color, motor, all from a drop-down menu and see the price for each item. You should be able to select to buy just that frameset alone or continue to add components with prices all listed. Choose your shock, your fork, your wheels, etc... Manufacturers say they can't make money selling a frame only, then Crestline sells out 300 in a day at $7.3K USA each. I'd say in fact you could make money selling frame only options if you offered the right product.

Of course, I wanted to wait and see the new Avinox M2, I wanted to see the new E-Dreadnaught, etc. But at some point, you just have to go all in as this waiting game can go on forever.
 
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Do you work for Orbea by chance?

I ordered the M20 mullet and paid the extra to get the CXR motor, Kiox Display & saved money going down to the 600w battery. I don't care about the other parts and I'll use them all to rebuild my Relay to sell it off. As far as sh*t parts, no one has anything good to say about the Shimano drivetrain on an e-bike application. The option for a hardwired Transmission X01 would have been an upgrade that I would have made. I don't use trail tires, Al wheels, Al bars, cheaper suspension components, etc. I'm not above it; I just don't have to any longer!

I just wanted the cheapest CF frame with a Bosch CRX, 600wh battery, great geo, great dropper insertion, etc. The Wild is consistently a best-in-class bike but I wonder if the headset cable routing might have hurt sales along with the Avinox stealing some thunder as well.

I have front and rear Avalanche coil suspension that will be installed, Dominion brakes, Oneup dropper, my own bars/ grips/ seat, brand new Crankbrothers cf MX DH wheels with DH tires installed and out of cheapness I'm just going to install a nearly new SRAM X01 11 speed that I have on the shelf.

It would be nice if it comes in under 50#s but with those tires/ wheels/ coil suspension that's going to be a stretch. I mean I already installed tires on the wheels, and they were like 1450 grams each!

Honestly, I'm just thrilled to have completed the tedious task of trying to choose a new e-bike. The more I learn about bikes, the harder it becomes! I find that most bike designers seem to have become quite boring and unimaginative in their approaches. In the case of Orbea, the product is real good which is why I choose it. But you should be able to select a frame, select its material, color, motor, all from a drop-down menu and see the price for each item. You should be able to select to buy just that frameset alone or continue to add components with prices all listed. Choose your shock, your fork, your wheels, etc... Manufacturers say they can't make money selling a frame only, then Crestline sells out 300 in a day at $7.3K USA each. I'd say in fact you could make money selling frame only options if you offered the right product.

Of course, I wanted to wait and see the new Avinox M2, I wanted to see the new E-Dreadnaught, etc. But at some point, you just have to go all in as this waiting game can go on forever.
Hi, I don't work for Orbea, but I have the same doubts about the Wild and Avinox that you had.

That's why I'm asking which model you bought so I can find out about the bad components...
If I were to decide, I'd go for the Team, which, except for the wheels (which I'd change later), has all the components that are good.

Cheers
 
A New sub 20 kg CF Rise LT with a slightly de-tuned Avinox motor, a 600 Wh battery, a ready to order range extender, and no headset routing would sell by the bucket load I reckon
Have an option to mullet it!
 
Hi, I don't work for Orbea, but I have the same doubts about the Wild and Avinox that you had.

That's why I'm asking which model you bought so I can find out about the bad components...
If I were to decide, I'd go for the Team, which, except for the wheels (which I'd change later), has all the components that are good.

Cheers

I just have lots of high-end components on the shelf that I already prefer, that have essentially no resale value.

If I did not already have these components, I would have ordered the LTD. But instead, I got to save about $3K.

Really, it's all but a perfect bike to my eyes and seems like it's not getting the attention it deserves, possibly due to the headset cable routing.

Regarding the Avinox, I'm just not convinced, but it's certainly getting all of the attention. For sure it's more powerful, but that doesn't matter to me at all. What does matter to me is: 1) stretching the range of the lighter 600w battery as far as possible (upgrade to the CRX motor to increase this even further, the ceramic bearings are more efficient.), 2) chain ring protection, 3) reliability (the Gen5s just don't break I'm told), 4) many years of available parts and service, even while traveling, 5) guaranteed silence.

I don't know what the M2 Avinox will offer, but if it's just more power, than I 100% made the right decision. But if they claim guaranteed near silence, 10% more efficient, I'd consider it equal to the Bosch but without the long-term support and reliability. If they also offer the more energy dense battery that is coming, well I'd probably lean towards the Avinox. Too late now!
 
This is happeneing, I have it on good authority from a Orbea Wild dealer that the Avinox Wild will be lnding later this year 100%
 
I imagine it'll instantly look sleeker and more modern, just like all the other Avinox motored bikes do.

But the extra power of the Avinox doesn't matter to me. Reliability, serviceability, noise, parts in the future, etc. matters more. I did also get a good deal that I likely would not have received on the Avinox ones as right now if your dealer orders any stock Bosch build, they are getting a substantial discount.
 
I imagine it'll instantly look sleeker and more modern, just like all the other Avinox motored bikes do.

But the extra power of the Avinox doesn't matter to me. Reliability, serviceability, noise, parts in the future, etc. matters more. I did also get a good deal that I likely would not have received on the Avinox ones as right now if your dealer orders any stock Bosch build, they are getting a substantial discount.
The higher power of the Avinox motor is not important to me either. What matters to me is having a larger, newer battery (if that is actually the case). The Bosch Gen5 motor is great in my opinion, but the 800 Wh battery and the design are completely off for me.
 
It's coming.

Announced in April, production by 3rd quarter.

Knowing this I told my dealer to go ahead and invoice me for the current Orbea Wild with a Bosch just about an hour ago which I won't even get for nearly 4 months! Sheesh.

Of course I don't know the details of the new M2, but for my needs I prefer the Bosch plus the discount I can get on the current model Orbea.

I guess I'd be a bit sad if the M2 was this huge upgrade, but at some you just have to do something right?
Rumor on the street is there may be a 180mm frame option.
 
Of course I'd like to see all of the options before pulling the trigger, but the fact is that I waited 6+ months to finally get a replacement e-bike (first choice fell through) and at some point you just have to pull the trigger. As the tech will always be changing.

I don't think that new battery tech will be here yet, but I think the new Orbea with the Avinox will offer the current 800wh battery and it'll remain at least as sleek as the current model.

I intentionally only wanted the 600wh battery so the current Wild suited me well but if I had needed an 800wh battery I would have bough the Yeti Lte or possibly the Range VLT.

Pretty cool on the increased travel, but for my terrain I'm totally content with 170/ 170.
 
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Of course I'd like to see all of the options before pulling the trigger, but the fact is that I waited 6+ months to finally get an e-bike (first choice fell through) and at some point you just have to pull the trigger. As the tech will always be changing.

I don't think that new battery tech will be here yet, but I think the new Orbea with the Avinov will offer the current 800wh battery and it'll remain at least as sleek as the current model.

I intentionally only wanted the 600wh battery so the current Wild suited me well but if I had needed an 800wh battery I would have bough the Yeti Lte or possibly the Range VLT.

Pretty cool on the increased travel, but for my terrain I'm totally content with 170/ 170.
For most riders I think 170/170 is a great all-round option. The more I ride my 2026 Wild with Bosch Gen5 Race motor, the more I love it.

I'm fortunate that monetary considerations are not a factor for me and have a Crestline S180 with 180/180. It's an awesome bike that climbs pretty darn good for a long travel bike. It's great to have for riding serious dh style trails, but I've never felt undergunnned on my Wild.

You are spot on about evolving technology. Converted to emtb's about 5 years ago and have had the pleasure of owning 8 different top shelf bikes and can honestly say the 2 I have are the best preforming and my favorites.

Eventually I may transition to a DJI motorized emtb since the technology and performance is amazing, but Im super happy with my "nferior" Bosch motors and they give me all thrme boost I need 😀

Sure you will love your new bike!
 
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