Orbea Rise 85Nm?

[beerider]

I bought 2023 Orbea Rise M-Team from an Orbea authorized dealer / LBS in SF Bay Area (California USA)
To my surprise the Shimano Steps E-Tube shows 85Nm as seen in the image below -

I haven't explored any backdoor hack or anything like that. This is the way the bike came.
And BTW the assist level indeed seems a lot at max level. Although I have no other frame of reference as this is my 1st bike of any kind in over 30-years.

I thought this eMTB is limited to 60Nm as it is stated in the official Orbea Specifications. Wonder what do other Rise owners have in theirs?

 

[Tony4wd]

I'd say you got lucky and have the standard EP8 firmware on your motor - there have been a few similar reports of new bikes supplied that way. I requested mine to have the 85nm firmware loaded before delivery.
You can ask your dealer to put the 60nm firmware on if you prefer.

 

[beerider]

I'd say you got lucky and have the standard EP8 firmware on your motor - there have been a few similar reports of new bikes supplied that way. I requested mine to have the 85nm firmware loaded before delivery.
You can ask your dealer to put the 60nm firmware on if you prefer.

Thank you

 

[TimC7]

I adjusted mine to 85nm but after trying it I dialled it back to standard, and only very rarely use 60nm as 30/40/50 gives me a perfect balance of range/assistance for longer rides. I just wish the software gave 4 or 5 power levels to choose rather than 3 over 2 modes which seems pointless. I also worry that using a lot of turbo reduces reliability. Maybe I'm paranoid, but I'm convinced Shimano are out to get me.

 

[aarfeldt]

My Rise M10 from 2021 has 6000km on the odometer, and the motor was replaced by Shimano some weeks ago (internal sensor issue)
The new motor also came with full torque (85Nm), but the peak power was lower than the normal full torque motors (500watt)
So they have delivered a motor with full torque and lower peak power (350watt) - strange.

My current settings are:
eco: 250 watt, 30Nm, 32kmh (only emergency usage)
trail: 350 watt, 53Nm, 32kmh (normal usage)
boost: 450 watt, 70Nm, 32kmh (very rarely usage)

 

[Swissrider]

For what its worth I asked my LBS about changing my Rise from 60 to 85 and the chap said he had tried both and preferred the RS tune of 60nm as the bike felt more natural and he got more range. I guess if you ride with others who have got full fat bikes and ride in turbo a lot you might want to have 85nm to keep up!

 

[TimC7]

For what its worth I asked my LBS about changing my Rise from 60 to 85 and the chap said he had tried both and preferred the RS tune of 60nm as the bike felt more natural and he got more range. I guess if you ride with others who have got full fat bikes and ride in turbo a lot you might want to have 85nm to keep up!

For sure it's nice to have it for those occasions so if a dealer will unlock it for free then go for it - presume it doesn't affect warranty if a dealer does it.

 

[beerider]

I just wish the software gave 4 or 5 power levels to choose rather than 3 over 2 modes which seems pointless.

The fine tune mode in the Shimano App lets you set all the way up to 15 levels. In one of my profile, I've enabled 8-levels as you can see in the original post. The other profile is the standard - Eco/Trail/Boost modes.

 

[beerider]

Y'day I asked my dealer how come the torque of 85Nm being available on my bike. Their response was that I'm one of the lucky ones who received one of those bikes that slipped w/o the firmware that restricts the motor to 60Nm. They also said that they inquired Orbea if they should reload the correct firmware on to rectify the issue on such bikes, if there is any warranty concern, but Orbea is being indifferent apparently.

Most of the time I ride at the lowest setting of 27Nm anyway, as I'm learning and building stamina. But it is good to have high power on tap for fun esp. with 540Wh internal battery and option to add the range extender, I won't have range concerns.

 

[TimC7]

Which Shimano app is that? With Steps I can only see eco/trail/boost and mode 1 or 2.

The fine tune mode in the Shimano App lets you set all the way up to 15 levels. In one of my profile, I've enabled 8-levels as you can see in the original post. The other profile is the standard - Eco/Trail/Boost modes.

 

[beerider]

Which Shimano app is that? With Steps I can only see eco/trail/boost and mode 1 or 2.

Shimano E-Tube Project App. The procedure is described here: si.shimano.com

Basically you create an assist profile with "Fine Tune Mode" as seen in the following screen -

 

[TimC7]

Shimano E-Tube Project App. The procedure is described here: si.shimano.com

Basically you create an assist profile with "Fine Tune Mode" . .

And do you then get the ability to select, say, 5 power levels on the up/down switch rather than eco/trail/boost without stopping and changing modes?

 

[beerider]

And do you then get the ability to select, say, 5 power levels on the up/down switch rather than eco/trail/boost without stopping and changing modes?

That's right, once you have the so called "Fine Tune" profile selected then the assist levels switching is via the up/down switches.

 

[squeegee]

That's right, once you have the so called "Fine Tune" profile selected then the assist levels switching is via the up/down switches.

How do you see what mode you're in while riding? Not sure on 2023 models but on 2022 there are only 3 led colors for modes.

 

[TimC7]

That's right, once you have the so called "Fine Tune" profile selected then the assist levels switching is via the up/down switches.

I don't get that option with my EP8 motor so presume it's only for the EP801 motor

 

[TimC7]

How do you see what mode you're in while riding? Not sure on 2023 models but on 2022 there are only 3 led colors for modes.

On my 2022 H15 it has the small handlebar LCD display . . but it doesn't show mode when riding. You have to stop and go to the menu option for assist and selecting that then shows mode 1 or 2. It's a PITA and not obvious - Orbea set the lower power mode when supplying and owners not knowing this have been underwhelmed by lack of power on their first ride.

 

[squeegee]

On my 2022 H15 it has the small handlebar LCD display . . but it doesn't show mode when riding. You have to stop and go to the menu option for assist and selecting that then shows mode 1 or 2. It's a PITA and not obvious - Orbea set the lower power mode when supplying and owners not knowing this have been underwhelmed by lack of power on their first ride.

I think you are referring to "Profile 1" or "Profile 2". What I'm asking is since you've enabled 8 levels and normally there are only 3 "modes" (eco, trail, boost), how do you know which assist level of the 8 you are in while riding?

 

[beerider]

How do you see what mode you're in while riding? Not sure on 2023 models but on 2022 there are only 3 led colors for modes.

The lowest level gets the blue color, highest one yellow, and rest of the middle levels green color.
The specific level is shown as x/y in the small bike computer display as seen below in the green bar -

 

[jcismo1]

I bought 2023 Orbea Rise M-Team from an Orbea authorized dealer / LBS in SF Bay Area (California USA)
To my surprise the Shimano Steps E-Tube shows 85Nm as seen in the image below -

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I haven't explored any backdoor hack or anything like that. This is the way the bike came.
And BTW the assist level indeed seems a lot at max level. Although I have no other frame of reference as this is my 1st bike of any kind in over 30-years.

I thought this eMTB is limited to 60Nm as it is stated in the official Orbea Specifications. Wonder what do other Rise owners have in theirs?

I bought 2023 Orbea Rise M-Team from an Orbea authorized dealer / LBS in SF Bay Area (California USA)
To my surprise the Shimano Steps E-Tube shows 85Nm as seen in the image below -

View attachment 127350
I haven't explored any backdoor hack or anything like that. This is the way the bike came.
And BTW the assist level indeed seems a lot at max level. Although I have no other frame of reference as this is my 1st bike of any kind in over 30-years.

I thought this eMTB is limited to 60Nm as it is stated in the official Orbea Specifications. Wonder what do other Rise owners have in theirs?

Hey Beerider,
Is your Rise still at 85NM? If so, I’m just wondering how your bike is holding up. What kind of range are you getting? I’m thinking about having my LBS load the 85NM firmware on my 2023 H10.

 

[beerider]

Hey Beerider,
Is your Rise still at 85NM? If so, I’m just wondering how your bike is holding up. What kind of range are you getting? I’m thinking about having my LBS load the 85NM firmware on my 2023 H10.

It's been working out great! The range is huge for me - more than 8000-ft of elevation gain (over 80-miles). But then I keep it near the lowest assist setting at 27Nm mostly. Having full 85Nm is really good to have which I seldom use, but when I do it feels really good - the bike feels like on rocket engines

I haven't upgraded the EP801 firmware update though due to the fear of assist getting restricted to the Orbea Rise limit.

 

[beerider]

And the reason I keep it at near the lowest assist level is because my objective is to get some good workout done while going uphills on a regular basis

 

[jcismo1]

It's been working out great! The range is huge for me - more than 8000-ft of elevation gain (over 80-miles). But then I keep it near the lowest assist setting at 27Nm mostly. Having full 85Nm is really good to have which I seldom use, but when I do it feels really good - the bike feels like on rocket engines

I haven't upgraded the EP801 firmware update though due to the fear of assist getting restricted to the Orbea Rise limit.

Thanks for the reply, Beerider. I took min in this morning and got the update done. The girl that did the update was unable to change it to 85NM though. She called Shimano and they told her they can do it, if they take over the bike remotely. They needed the bike shop’s Shimano customer number, which they couldn’t find. Once they get that straightened out, they’ll call me and I’ll bring it back in for the 85NM firmware.
I don’t think the 4.3.0 firmware update will change the 85NM, unless you tell them to.

 

[Astro66]

I don’t think the 4.3.0 firmware update will change the 85NM, unless you tell them to

It's possible that a firmware update resets the torque and power settings back to factory defaults. And that won't be 85nM in the RS motors.

That said. You can then put them back with the MiniMax software and a programming cable.

 

[Tony4wd]

My Rise had the 85nm/350W settings from new and I left it that way until near the end of the warranty. Recently I used eMax mobile to increase the peak power to 500W (standard ep8 setting) and I find the bike so much more fun to ride. It's more similar to the Bosch CX with a lot less gear changing required. (I ride in steep terrain).

There are rumors that the battery can overheat with the higher settings, though I haven't seen confirmation of that. The Rise H30 battery is similar to my Bosch powertube (both 20A and ~500Wh) and the Bosch motor has a higher current draw (600W peak power). On the negative side the Orbea battery casing appears to be plastic (I haven't handled one) whereas Bosch is metal, so heat transfer could be worse with Obea.

I only ride in cool conditions though and it's been great so far.