O ring chains for e bikes

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Hi , Im new here ! Im Harry From Germany , Im a Brit , been living here for a long time ! Im looking form a o ring chain for my Focus Jarifa 2 .Ive broke chains at least 6 times now , and the last time was going uphill on a mountain , very small path !! It snapped I fell to the right , thank god , as if I had fallen to the right it was 120 meters to the bottom ! Lets face it the torque from the motor in such strenuous conditions is to much for a lets face it normal pedal bike ! I have always used Shimano chains , and have seen D.I.D chains on other bikes here and they dont break !! But I would like a almost service free chain , and yes I got througha lot of streams and mud ,all part of the fun ! So hope some one can help me in my search . Have a Happy and Healthy Christmas and keep those wheels turning (and your chain oiled :-) )
 
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Welcome to the site :)

Never seen an O Ring chain for a Push bike personally ,
not saying they don't exist just would have thought they would not flex enough or be thin enough for a derailleur set up .
 
Do I understand that O-ring chains waste energy on a bicycle. The design assumes high power and throttle to spare with the oring squished between side plates. So every link becoming a tiny brake pad. Bikes also have small jockey wheels and orings resist bending.
 
I have ridden ebikes around 25000km and only time I have snapped a chain was on normal mtb without a motor…
 
I have ridden ebikes around 25000km and only time I have snapped a chain was on normal mtb without a motor…
You need to fit one of the shite chains that others seem to have 👍
 
Do I understand that O-ring chains waste energy on a bicycle. The design assumes high power and throttle to spare with the oring squished between side plates. So every link becoming a tiny brake pad. Bikes also have small jockey wheels and orings resist bending.
Broken chains break bones ,going up mountains you need all the help you can get! Think about how much strain your putting on a normal skinny chain , thats made for a normal bike and not a high torque electric motorized fat nobbly tyred MTB, and its probably not been oiled before the ride , but in the back of your head you know that with an o ring chain the elements have less chance of getting into the links, and the oil/ grease stays in, and have a good chance of not breaking the chain ,as you have less ,if not no, rusty and dry surfaced friction in the chain link pins.
 
I think it was a shite chain that broke :)
XO1 chain from Hopkinsons cycles for £40 works on any 12 speed setup and will last for ages 👍
I run them on my Shimano cassette.
Or if you really want to stay with Shimano, then fit the XTR chain. Although never tried one myself.
Both are made of hardened steel and treated too withstand the harsh conditions that an Emtb produces.
I could kill an xt chain in about 400 miles. The XO1 lasts for a few thousand miles.
 
I was pretty sure that it would be impossible for any bike athlete to break a standard 1/2" pitch bicycle chain in a straight pull without some sort of assistance. There had to be something wrong either with the chain (worn, corroded, damaged etc), or the chain was being used incorrectly (power on while shifting gear for ex), or as a result of some other mishap (stick in the mech...).

So, assuming a chain in good condtion, with a straight pull, what is the pull required to break the chain? Mr Google came to my rescue.

Question: "Breaking strength of a standard half-inch pitch bike chain?"
Answer: A standard half-inch pitch bicycle chain typically has a minimum breaking strength of approximately 8.2 kN to 10 kN, which is equivalent to about 1,800 to 2,200 pounds of force (lbf) or 830 to 1,000 kilograms of force (kgf).

The answer went on to say...
Key points regarding the breaking strength: (the highlights are mine)
  • Standards: The German Industrial Standard sets a minimum breaking load of 8,200 Newtons for standard bicycle chains and 10,000 Newtons for derailleur chains.
  • Real-world vs. Tensile Strength: This figure refers to the straight-line tensile strength under a controlled, one-time load. In real-world use, chains rarely fail due to pure tensile force, as no human can generate enough power to snap a good quality chain in a straight pull.
  • Failure Modes: Chain failures in real-world riding often occur due to wear, improper maintenance, or sideways twisting force, such as during a high-torque, poor gear shift.
  • Working Load: The actual working load a strong rider puts on a chain can be up to around 2 kN during a sprint, which is well within the chain's safety margin. Industrial applications typically recommend a working load of only 1/6 to 1/9 of the ultimate tensile strength to prevent fatigue failure.
  • Chain Type: Single-speed and fixed-gear chains (typically wider, 1/8" inner width) may have slightly different strengths compared to narrower multi-speed chains (e.g., 11 or 12-speed chains are narrower), but even the narrowest modern chains are designed to be strong enough for powerful riders.
In summary, a standard bicycle chain is remarkably strong in tension and engineered with a significant safety margin for normal riding conditions. Then came the ebike and that was OK, but then the Amflow!!

Note from the above Google quote, that the actual working load that a strong rider can exert is up to around 2kN during a sprint. I assume that is on a non-assisted bike. Many ebikes boost the riders power by x4 (the Amflow by x8!). Even at x4 that is getting close to exceeding the design of the chain. ie 2kN x4 = 8kN, when the minimum breaking load for derailleur chains is 10 kN. If the chain is sub-optimal and the chain is not straight at peak load, then a break could be on the cards. I have broken two chains but only on my emtbs, never on my regular bikes.

For the Amflow in Turbo (at x8) that would be 16 kN, which is well above the minimum breaking load for derailleur chains. But how often do we hear of Amflow riders breaking chains? Maybe the bikes and chains are all too new? Maybe there is a rash of broken chains about to be reported? Or maybe Amflow riders just accept it as a feature of their powerful motor, almost like a badge of honour, but keep quiet about it? :unsure:

Note: A kilogram is a mass, a kg force (kgf) is the weight exerted by that mass under the force of gravity. A Newton is the Systeme International unit of force (N). The acceleration due to gravity is 9.81m/sec2. Therefore one kgf is the same as 9.81 kilo Newtons (kN). 10,000 kN is equivalent to 1019 kg hanging on the chain, which is a small fraction over a ton for those used to the Imperial system.
 
O-ring chains are too wide for an eMTB. They work on motorcycles because they don't have sprocket/chain based gears.

Just take care of your chain and you won't have any problems. Keep it lubed (do immersion hot wax if you want) and replace it when it starts to elongate.
 
Even new style drivetrains that claim to (and do) shift well under load, still need some mechanical sympathy when you're shifting.

Yeah, with shimano 12 speed you can snap through the gears pedalling on the flat without backing off but downshifting going up hill with power through the pedals isn't doing anything any favours. Also trying to dump 5 gears at a time while pedalling to maintain momentum is a definite chain killer.

Get yourself an XTR chain. Hot wax whenever it needs it, go steady changing gear under load and I can't see how you'd snap a chain the be honest. Keep an eye on wear and stay on top of maintenance (which is easy once you become a wax pervert).

I've snapped 2 chains in the last ~20 years. Both on non ebikes, both low end SRAM. One went randomly without any signs of wear and the other, once I looked properly had about 10 cracked links and one of them gave way.

Under full load, cranking out the saddle up a hill.

That hurt.

Also, make sure your chain is the correct lenght and your rear mech is moving nice and freely.
 
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