New Amflow April 9 specs

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Amflow PX Carbon Pro Lunar Stone Gray

Avinox M2S Drive Unit: 130 N·m Nominal, 150 N·m Peak
Avinox Display: 2-inch OLED Control Screen
Avinox Integrated Battery: 700 Wh
Avinox Wireless Controls: Right and Left Sides
Avinox Fast Charger: 12 A / 508 W
 
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Do we know for sure it’s more efficient or is it speculation? If it’s more efficient, is the improvement enough to match the same range as the 800?
That seems very unlikely, when you look at the efficiency numbers of the competition, they all are very close to 80%, yet efficiency would need to be close to 95% for the 700 to match the 800. Not plausible.

More power and less batter is weird indeed.
The vast majority of Amflow owners don’t use the 100% power mode, so they added power nobody asked for.
There is not 1 answer for battery because some people want a light bike and do short rides and some people need the range. Offering different battery capacity is key. They should have done a 700 and a 900 option.

Outside of power which is irrelevant to me considering how powerful the M1 is, are there true advantages from these V2 Amflows?
 
ribtek said:
Do we know for sure it’s more efficient or is it speculation? If it’s more efficient, is the improvement enough to match the same range as the 800?
That seems very unlikely, when you look at the efficiency numbers of the competition, they all are very close to 80%, yet efficiency would need to be close to 95% for the 700 to match the 800. Not plausible.

More power and less batter is weird indeed.
The vast majority of Amflow owners don’t use the 100% power mode, so they added power nobody asked for.
There is not 1 answer for battery because some people want a light bike and do short rides and some people need the range. Offering different battery capacity is key. They should have done a 700 and a 900 option.

Outside of power which is irrelevant to me considering how powerful the M1 is, are there true advantages from these V2 Amflows?
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They will do two new batteries as successor for the current 600 (-> 700 Wh) and 800Wh (-> 932Wh). Same housing size and backwards compatible
 
ribtek said:
Do we know for sure it’s more efficient or is it speculation?
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Good point. Let's not forget this is the interwebs. People just make things up and present them as fact. If the Chinese managed to increase the efficiency by 14% so the new system with the 700 Wh battery produced the same work as the old system with the 800 Wh battery, then they deserve a Nobel prize. Personally, I'll put my money on "made up facts."
 
The next 600Wh battery will perform like the 700Wh battery, which performed like the 800Wh battery. The next 500Wh battery will perform like the 600Wh battery, which will perform like the 700Wh battery, which performed like the 800Wh battery... and so on until we get to an empty casing that will perform like the 50Wh battery, which performed like the 100Wh battery, which performed like... hahahaha
 
RustyIron said:
Good point. Let's not forget this is the interwebs. People just make things up and present them as fact. If the Chinese managed to increase the efficiency by 14% so the new system with the 700 Wh battery produced the same work as the old system with the 800 Wh battery, then they deserve a Nobel prize. Personally, I'll put my money on "made up facts."
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power delivered = power consumption
If a motor output is 800w then a 800wh battery will last 1 hour.
 
baltik said:
Is the 800wh the same as before? Presumably 700wh has better energy efficiency due to newer cells?
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More so energy density... purely speculating, but maybe they have newer cells which can be packaged into a 700wh pack at the same volume and/or weight as current 600 wh battery.
 
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Taken from Amflow Website, increased contrast and brightness can see the details fairly clearly. Chain stay flip chip, revised shock mounting, bigger chainring, schwalbe tyres geometry looks a bit longer but hard to tell from photos.
 
westcoastmtbr said:
It's called more efficiency, lesser weight, and a huge seller. It will be nice if they make it backwards compatible, for example, trim a pound or so off the current bike, and lower the weight.
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I doubt it, the Avinox is probably the most power hungry motor on the market. I would get more range riding my Orbea Wild in Turbo with the 100nm update than I do with my Druid in trail detuned to 600w and 85nm. She’s a thirsty girl these Avinox motors….lol
 
Wojtek said:
source?
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I think it makes sense. I have no source and im only speculating too. But the new Mondraker Zendit clearly has the new avinox system, yet it has an 800wh battery. There's the new Atherton bike, which has a spherical downtube and that is maybe what the 700wh battery is for, its a different structure/design. Avinox is a little more hungry with the wh's so maybe the m2 is more efficient which will bring more range with the same batteries. Its a pity, because i would have loved to slot a 932WH battery in my amflow.
 
700Wh is 700Wh in a battery. A newer 700Wh battery tech can be smaller, lighter, charge faster etc... but it still only has 700Wh of energy stored.
It's the motor that would need to be more efficient to make the 700Wh travel farther.
So perhaps they're treating 700 as the base and a range extender will take you up to 1000? Maybe?
 
It does not look like a bike worth upgrading to, so maybe it's just aimed at new buyers to Amflow? and come on lets have some more interesting colours? grey that looks like the old silver one, what are they thinking?
 
Peter Hill said:
It does not look like a bike worth upgrading to, so maybe it's just aimed at new buyers to Amflow? and come on lets have some more interesting colours? grey that looks like the old silver one, what are they thinking?
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I think the ability to mount any shock without fear of frame contact makes it a more attractive offering than V1. They’ve also switched it to MX as standard. It seems like, beyond the battery/motor system, Amflow took some public feedback into consideration when designing the revamp. The colorways are fine. Do people really get hung up on colors??
 
Mjsinclair02 said:
I think the ability to mount any shock without fear of frame contact makes it a more attractive offering than V1. They’ve also switched it to MX as standard. It seems like, beyond the battery/motor system, Amflow took some public feedback into consideration when designing the revamp. The colorways are fine. Do people really get hung up on colors??
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What is not fine is less battery capacity, despite more power.
 
Yetimans said:
No, there are only two battery options: 700Wh and 800Wh.

The 932Wh version will be available in 2027 with the upcoming M3S.
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I didn’t say when and the 932Wh will still be the successor of the current 800Wh battery
 
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ribtek said:
What is not fine is less battery capacity, despite more power.
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We don’t have any confirmation on battery and it’s certainly not going to be less battery than what’s already on the bike. If the speculations are correct (which we need to be clear, it’s ALL speculation) than there is a lighter, more efficient battery/motor system coming, along with a removable battery version for those of you who enjoy sitting on a bike saddle for more than 40 miles. I, for one, am not interested in that.
 
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