My AMFLOW PL Carbon test

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My AMFLOW PL Carbon Test
Aesthetics: The PL Carbon I tested is a pleasant bike to look at, especially thanks to the slim down tube and the small motor, which makes it look like a non-motorized MTB. The gray of the bike I tested isn't the prettiest of colors; it's neutral and a bit bland. The black of the PRO version is much better. Rating: 8.5
Riding Position: The L size, for me at 186 cm tall, pedals well on flat terrain, and uphill, and downhill, I never felt it was too short. The riding position reminds me a lot of the Turbo Levo Gen 2, which I owned. The excessively wide handlebars on the bike I tested affected things a bit, but not in a positive way. As with all tests, you have to make do with an approximation, since the limited time available prevents you from making all the important adjustments that often greatly improve your confidence. Rating: 8.
Suspension: Certainly not top-of-the-line on the base version we tested, but it does its job satisfactorily: neither bad nor bad. At least it has the advantage of being easily adjustable. Rating: 7.5.
Smooth climbing: It depends a lot on the assistance settings. Certainly, if you exploit the motor's torque and power, it feels like riding a motorcycle, but it loses much of that cycling feel that I don't want to give up. The enormous amount of customization options allows the user to tailor the e-bike to their needs and meet all their needs. Riding uphill sections, even steep ones, in turbo mode seems almost ridiculous, given the speed you reach. One could easily argue that turbo mode and boost might as well not exist on this bike. Rating: 10.
Technical climbing: This is impressive! The bike (even just in TRAIL mode) conquers climbs bordering on the unbelievable with astonishing traction and power. It's probably more fun going uphill (technical) than going downhill. Here too, a lot depends on the setup (there are truly many possibilities) but, generally speaking, the traction and smoothness of the engine combined with the responsiveness and acceleration capacity, allow you to easily overcome obstacles that at first glance might seem insurmountable. The 29" rear wheel also helps with traction and overcoming small and large obstacles. A 10 out of 10.
Single-track: The bike is agile and fun enough, but it didn't surprise me that much. This, too, is a good compromise, but it doesn't have a wow factor. I noticed, as I had with my Levo Gen. 2 with 29" wheels, a certain tendency to go off-center in corners. I'd be curious to try it with a 27.5" rear wheel; this would probably lower the center of gravity and make the bike perform better in tight turns and on off-camber sections. A 7.
Flowing descents: Here too, the frame, with its somewhat dated geometry, doesn't seem to excel; for comparison, I found the Turbo Levo Gen. 4 to be more fun and satisfying, which, despite its weight, manages to be more agile. A 7.5.
Technical and narrow descents: The bike performs well overall, but I still prefer the behavior of the My Levo Gen. 3 is much more planted on steep technical terrain, making it stable and safe, as well as easy to maneuver in tight turns. In this case, light weight isn't an advantage, nor are the 29" wheels and bottom bracket height. The front end sometimes feels a bit sloppy; higher-rise handlebars might be helpful. Rating: 7.5.
Braking: The Magura MT5 brakes are powerful and well-modulated, no complaints there. They would be even better with higher-performance discs than the stock ones (which are also noisy). If it were my bike, I'd go with the MDR-P discs. Rating 8
Stiffness: I haven't noticed any issues with this, and it's important to remember that this isn't an enduro bike, although it could become one with some tweaks, such as a Fox 38, a lower center of gravity, and a 27.5" rear wheel. Rating 8
Equipment: Decent considering the price of the base model I tested. Rating 7.5
Motor and electronics: This is a superior product, there's no denying it; this is what truly sets this brand apart from all the others. It's a real shame that the motor is a bit noisy when descending on rough terrain, with a rattling sound similar to, but less pronounced than, the infamous Shimano EP8, so no praise for it. The walk mode and the interaction with the touchscreen are fantastic. Rating 10
Finish: Very well built and finished. The black paint is very delicate due to scratches; a matte finish would have been better. I saw a very beautiful pearl white one on the net. Rating 9.
Value for money: The base model is attractively priced, as is the top-of-the-line model, which, with the same features, costs less than the competition. Score 8.5.
Final notes: A beautiful ebike, well done for a first attempt. What's particularly impressive is the motor and management software, which are currently unmatched by competitors. The frame is less surprising, with its somewhat dated geometry and, above all, a somewhat high center of gravity, which doesn't make it the best performing downhill bike. From this perspective, the work Specialized engineers have done with the Levo Gen. 4 is undoubtedly superior. A mix of the two would probably yield a near-perfect result! Levo Gen. 3/4 frame plus Amflow motor, battery, and software. Bingo!

What I liked most:
– The concept that makes it a full-power bike that weighs as much as an SL
– Exceptional performance on technical climbs.
– Leading-edge battery life with the right settings.
– Value for money.
– Fast charging.
– Excellent motor and management software.

What I liked least:
– The bottom bracket is a bit high, which affects downhill performance.
– The motor rattles on rough terrain.
– The battery is not removable.
– Downhill performance is not the best.
– The standard handlebar is excessively wide.
– Water bottle space is limited.

 
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My AMFLOW PL Carbon Test
Aesthetics: The PL Carbon I tested is a pleasant bike to look at, especially thanks to the slim down tube and the small motor, which makes it look like a non-motorized MTB. The gray of the bike I tested isn't the prettiest of colors; it's neutral and a bit bland. The black of the PRO version is much better. Rating: 8.5
Riding Position: The L size, for me at 186 cm tall, pedals well on flat terrain, and uphill, and downhill, I never felt it was too short. The riding position reminds me a lot of the Turbo Levo Gen 2, which I owned. The excessively wide handlebars on the bike I tested affected things a bit, but not in a positive way. As with all tests, you have to make do with an approximation, since the limited time available prevents you from making all the important adjustments that often greatly improve your confidence. Rating: 8.
Suspension: Certainly not top-of-the-line on the base version we tested, but it does its job satisfactorily: neither bad nor bad. At least it has the advantage of being easily adjustable. Rating: 7.5.
Smooth climbing: It depends a lot on the assistance settings. Certainly, if you exploit the motor's torque and power, it feels like riding a motorcycle, but it loses much of that cycling feel that I don't want to give up. The enormous amount of customization options allows the user to tailor the e-bike to their needs and meet all their needs. Riding uphill sections, even steep ones, in turbo mode seems almost ridiculous, given the speed you reach. One could easily argue that turbo mode and boost might as well not exist on this bike. Rating: 10.
Technical climbing: This is impressive! The bike (even just in TRAIL mode) conquers climbs bordering on the unbelievable with astonishing traction and power. It's probably more fun going uphill (technical) than going downhill. Here too, a lot depends on the setup (there are truly many possibilities) but, generally speaking, the traction and smoothness of the engine combined with the responsiveness and acceleration capacity, allow you to easily overcome obstacles that at first glance might seem insurmountable. The 29" rear wheel also helps with traction and overcoming small and large obstacles. A 10 out of 10.
Single-track: The bike is agile and fun enough, but it didn't surprise me that much. This, too, is a good compromise, but it doesn't have a wow factor. I noticed, as I had with my Levo Gen. 2 with 29" wheels, a certain tendency to go off-center in corners. I'd be curious to try it with a 27.5" rear wheel; this would probably lower the center of gravity and make the bike perform better in tight turns and on off-camber sections. A 7.
Flowing descents: Here too, the frame, with its somewhat dated geometry, doesn't seem to excel; for comparison, I found the Turbo Levo Gen. 4 to be more fun and satisfying, which, despite its weight, manages to be more agile. A 7.5.
Technical and narrow descents: The bike performs well overall, but I still prefer the behavior of the My Levo Gen. 3 is much more planted on steep technical terrain, making it stable and safe, as well as easy to maneuver in tight turns. In this case, light weight isn't an advantage, nor are the 29" wheels and bottom bracket height. The front end sometimes feels a bit sloppy; higher-rise handlebars might be helpful. Rating: 7.5.
Braking: The Magura MT5 brakes are powerful and well-modulated, no complaints there. They would be even better with higher-performance discs than the stock ones (which are also noisy). If it were my bike, I'd go with the MDR-P discs. Rating 8
Stiffness: I haven't noticed any issues with this, and it's important to remember that this isn't an enduro bike, although it could become one with some tweaks, such as a Fox 38, a lower center of gravity, and a 27.5" rear wheel. Rating 8
Equipment: Decent considering the price of the base model I tested. Rating 7.5
Motor and electronics: This is a superior product, there's no denying it; this is what truly sets this brand apart from all the others. It's a real shame that the motor is a bit noisy when descending on rough terrain, with a rattling sound similar to, but less pronounced than, the infamous Shimano EP8, so no praise for it. The walk mode and the interaction with the touchscreen are fantastic. Rating 10
Finish: Very well built and finished. The black paint is very delicate due to scratches; a matte finish would have been better. I saw a very beautiful pearl white one on the net. Rating 9.
Value for money: The base model is attractively priced, as is the top-of-the-line model, which, with the same features, costs less than the competition. Score 8.5.
Final notes: A beautiful ebike, well done for a first attempt. What's particularly impressive is the motor and management software, which are currently unmatched by competitors. The frame is less surprising, with its somewhat dated geometry and, above all, a somewhat high center of gravity, which doesn't make it the best performing downhill bike. From this perspective, the work Specialized engineers have done with the Levo Gen. 4 is undoubtedly superior. A mix of the two would probably yield a near-perfect result! Levo Gen. 3/4 frame plus Amflow motor, battery, and software. Bingo!

What I liked most:
– The concept that makes it a full-power bike that weighs as much as an SL
– Exceptional performance on technical climbs.
– Leading-edge battery life with the right settings.
– Value for money.
– Fast charging.
– Excellent motor and management software.

What I liked least:
– The bottom bracket is a bit high, which affects downhill performance.
– The motor rattles on rough terrain.
– The battery is not removable.
– Downhill performance is not the best.
– The standard handlebar is excessively wide.
– Water bottle space is limited.



Totally agree with you on everything, except I would add change your first least like, to one of my most liked. I like the bottom bracket and shorter cranks on this bike, the most. IT is a trade off for downhill capability, however if you ride mostly down hill, this probably isn't the best bike geometry you want anyway.

IN very technical trails, up and down - Far less pedal strike and hitting the bottom bracket, like some bikes do, on technical XC.

IN comparison, Not sure which LEVO version it is...the one with the 27.5 in the back, and 29 in in the front - mullet, - that bike corners better, is better down, but is so damn low, that the bottom bracket will hit on like a 4 in rock when the suspenion is compressed. THe cranks are too long, on top of that. I think that Bike is dangerous on technical rocky rooty stuff, seriously.
 
Pretty much agree with all your points. I considered the levo4 and vala but ultimately plumped for the amflow with a few tweaks. A Vala with an avinox and 800wh would probably be my ultimate mix.

The reality of where I live is Cannock Chase is my local and the highest point is less than 250m so the trail geo/build suits me fine, the motor smoothness really shines.

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Just to add another negative, the lower headset is a bit of a mess, they changed their mind about the knock block so you get a nice hole to let in dirt.
 
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Pretty much agree with all your points. I considered the levo4 and vala but ultimately plumped for the amflow with a few tweaks. A Vala with an avinox and 800wh would probably be my ultimate mix.

The reality of where is live is Cannock Chase is my local and the highest point is less than 250m so the trail geo/build suits me fine, the motor smoothness really shines.

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Just to add another negative, the lower headset is a bit of a mess, they changed their mind about the knock block so you get a nice hole to let in dirt.

Love Cannock, not been there for a few years, you’ve reminded me to get back there sometime. 👍
 
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Pretty much agree with all your points. I considered the levo4 and vala but ultimately plumped for the amflow with a few tweaks. A Vala with an avinox and 800wh would probably be my ultimate mix.

The reality of where I live is Cannock Chase is my local and the highest point is less than 250m so the trail geo/build suits me fine, the motor smoothness really shines.

View attachment 166146

Just to add another negative, the lower headset is a bit of a mess, they changed their mind about the knock block so you get a nice hole to let in dirt.
Zeb working out for you? Someone was reporting it didn't fit without shitting the frame (??)
Can you turn it all the way around?
 
I’m a big fan of the zeb, supple and easy to set up.

It doesn’t fit a medium frame but fine on large and above, I think people have removed or filled down the dials to stop it fouling

Another bad point about the pl, only offered in 2 builds but if you want to change stuff there is a lot of incompatibility, particularly for shocks.
 
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A Vala with an avinox and 800wh would probably be my ultimate mix.
I was thinking a Vala and Bullit offered with the DJI would be an amazing combo. Bosch really just needs to come out with a new battery to match the form factor of the DJI pack and I think we could see some great looking Bosch based bikes, the motor is definitely competitive with the power update now.
 
I was thinking a Vala and Bullit offered with the DJI would be an amazing combo. Bosch really just needs to come out with a new battery to match the form factor of the DJI pack and I think we could see some great looking Bosch based bikes, the motor is definitely competitive with the power update now.
Sure, that would be great. But they should also let people choose their rear wheel size and stop putting the motor in to limp mode if someone make changes to the hardware they bought from Bosch.
The motor is also quite a big heavy unit compared to Avinox, making if more difficult to get room for everything.
Bosch does a lot of things right, but for me to choose them every time over anything else - they need to either solve these issues or everything is forgiven if they were to be come user serviceable and parts could be bought directly.
I would like an ebike motor to be as serviceable as a motor for most other things.

It's incredible that we are to just accept that they can't be repaired by anyone with the skills, tools and stubbornness to do so.
 
Sure, that would be great. But they should also let people choose their rear wheel size and stop putting the motor in to limp mode if someone make changes to the hardware they bought from Bosch.
The motor is also quite a big heavy unit compared to Avinox, making if more difficult to get room for everything.
Bosch does a lot of things right, but for me to choose them every time over anything else - they need to either solve these issues or everything is forgiven if they were to be come user serviceable and parts could be bought directly.
I would like an ebike motor to be as serviceable as a motor for most other things.

It's incredible that we are to just accept that they can't be repaired by anyone with the skills, tools and stubbornness to do so.
I’m with you on the serviceability, I’m a tinkerer and like to be able to fix anything myself, I can’t stand having things locked behind service centers or resellers when I could do it faster myself. Doesn’t seem like any of rhe companies want to let you do much on your own though. Bafang is sort of there with at least being able to buy some parts or even a whole motor for not too much money, but you have to deal with buying direct from China with expensive slow shipping and all the other drawbacks that come with their products (Absolutely atrocious software, lack of anyone knowledgeable to speak to at the company, etc).
 
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