Levo Gen 4 Lower battery range than I expected

I'm trying to relate to the range anxiety but I frankly can't.
My longest Gen 4 ride last month covered 33 miles with nearly 4400' of climbing in the Colorado rockies (lots of steep up/downs)
74% in Eco-, 13% turbo, 11% eco/sport

I had my Range extender "just in case" but I didn't need. The app shows that I used 58% of the main battery and 56% of the range extender, so I could have easily have done this ride only with the main battery.

For reference, I'm 170 lbs with gear and my bike is on the heavy side with dual coil suspension and dh tires.

my settings mirror fodmtb's recommendations - I don't use any of "extras"
 
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If you control for software motors should be pretty similar in terms of effiency. The problem is just that the more powerful motors and easier to handle they get, the more used to the higher power you get. Embts basically get the SUV treatment: everything gets more powerful, heavier and saturated with more or less useful gadgets. The downsides i less fun on the trail because a heavy bike is harder to ride except for straightlining stuff and the bigger being more access restrictions because people will go faster uphill on fireroads and hikers/hunters/locals tend to not like that.

Bosch just has the biggest experience in optimizing their bms and motor mode efficiency while still being reliable and giving you high power output. So in controlled measurements I've seen they come out on top for efficiency. So if you want to do big backcountry stuff Bosch and don't need the most powerful motor because you're heavy I would go with Bosch.
 
YokoOno said:
I'm trying to relate to the range anxiety but I frankly can't.
My longest Gen 4 ride last month covered 33 miles with nearly 4400' of climbing in the Colorado rockies (lots of steep up/downs)
74% in Eco-, 13% turbo, 11% eco/sport

I had my Range extender "just in case" but I didn't need. The app shows that I used 58% of the main battery and 56% of the range extender, so I could have easily have done this ride only with the main battery.

For reference, I'm 170 lbs with gear and my bike is on the heavy side with dual coil suspension and dh tires.

my settings mirror fodmtb's recommendations - I don't use any of "extras"
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750w battery & 250w RE?

So you used 575 wh (750x.58 + 250x.56) for 4400' climbing?
 
Suns_PSD said:
750w battery & 250w RE?

So you used 575 wh (750x.58 + 250x.56) for 4400' climbing?
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This is my longest ride so far and the battery died a few hundred yards before I got home. It was a very stop start ride as we were collecting route signs after a big MTB event. I used microtune and kept the assistance as low as I could manage. This is the sort of ride that gives me range anxiety.
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Idlefrog said:
This is my longest ride so far and the battery died a few hundred yards before I got home. It was a very stop start ride as we were collecting route signs after a big MTB event. I used microtune and kept the assistance as low as I could manage. This is the sort of ride that gives me range anxiety.
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I understand. 52 miles is a lot. If using microtune, then I presume you didn't use Auto much.
What was your mode distrubution? I ride mostly in Auto - and Eco. Turbo only for boring pavement or fire road.
My eco mode is dialed down and feels lighter than Auto-
My trail feels like Auto standard and my Turbo is full-tilt-boogie.
 
YokoOno said:
I understand. 52 miles is a lot. If using microtune, then I presume you didn't use Auto much.
What was your mode distrubution? I ride mostly in Auto - and Eco. Turbo only for boring pavement or fire road.
My eco mode is dialed down and feels lighter than Auto-
My trail feels like Auto standard and my Turbo is full-tilt-boogie.
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That was an exceptionally long ride for me. I kept it in micro tune for 97% and auto minus for 3%.
I mostly use auto minus and if I'm just playing the woods and range is no issue I use trail.
On my Bosch bike I used to keep it in eMTB mode and 50 miles was no issue with a 750 battery.
I much prefer the Levo though in every other respect.
 
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No complaints from range here, using eco 25/25. Still had 12 miles on the clock left, biggest ride I did was 52 miles and came home with 7 miles remaining. This is a mix of off-road light hills and canal tow path
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I was testing my bike with the extender today. I ended the ride with 52% main battery and 54% extender. I rode in Auto+, no other battery management tricks. I too do not understand folks range anxiety. We're given so much control over the usable power of the bike. I feel like 50m rides on the reg would be no problem with the extender.

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I'm been super impressed with the range compared to my Gen3. Just did 24.31 mi / 3,282 ft in 70/100 microtune, and had 27% battery left. I dunno how far the bike could go if set to a power sipping mode.
 
Do your Levo 4 show different ranges, for different modes ? This might sound like a dumb question.
 
I am concerned , not just about the range , but that the displayed range is the same in every riding mode . Also , if I reduce power ,eg from Turbo to Eco, the range does not raise . Surely this ain’t correct ?
 
DirkWisely said:
I'm been super impressed with the range compared to my Gen3. Just did 24.31 mi / 3,282 ft in 70/100 microtune, and had 27% battery left. I dunno how far the bike could go if set to a power sipping mode.
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65 miles is the most I have had on eco, 25/25
 
I'm still playing with range and modes as I learn this bike. I wanted to see what I could do using auto and dynamic modes for long climbs. I did the climb in all auto and dynamic tune at 50/100. The downhill I did in eco till the bike was at 5% when I tuned down to 10/10. Battery died the last mile. In Auto - we could do much more.

The next day I rode 14 miles with 3200' in 10/100 dynamic tune using less than 30% of the battery. I really think with active management 60 mile rides could be done on the reg. I just need longer days.
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I'm noticing significantly more efficiency with the new update. I'll post a similar ride when the weather allows.
 
I’ve been able to get really good range in micro tune settings running mostly 20/20 or 30/30. Shuttle, responsiveness and overrun all set to low. Fire roads are better for battery than single track climbs, there always variables like tires and weight etc.

Did a ride recently and could have hit 3,500m climbed easily if I didn’t turbo the last climb😅👌
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