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Anyone managed to find and pair a lighter cassette with 11sp linkglide?

Im hating 12speed in general and thinking about converting my mtb from 12sp xt to linkglide. But dont need the heavy steel cassette for the non e.

Would like a lightish 11spd set up for the mtb.
 
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I'm running SRAM X01 11 speeds on everthing with an X01 12sp Eagle chain. Shifts well, all steel cassette that weighs about 270 grams, good ground clearance. The derailleur weighs about 245 grams. I can climb everything on this, even when I visit true mountains. Actually true mountains are rarely as steep as my local trails, it's just more sustained.

Even got a new one for my upcoming new Wild build.

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I'm running SRAM X01 11 speeds on everthing with an X01 12sp Eagle chain. Shifts well, all steel cassette that weighs about 270 grams, good ground clearance. The derailleur weighs about 245 grams. I can climb everything on this, even when I visit true mountains. Actually true mountains are rarely as steep as my local trails, it's just more sustained.

Even got a new one for my upcoming new Wild build.

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Cassette size? On the mtb i need 11-50.
 
Had the eThirteen Helix 11spd 10-46 on my Decoy. 2 cassettes since new 2019.
Find the 46 tooth more usable than the 42 tooth on my previous Jam2 with Shimano e8000. May not be necessary on the newer more powerful motors.
 
Linkglide cassette is practically the only change from standard drivetrain. If you don't want super-durable teeth, which are thicker(have to be heavier), and therefore handle greater loads, and wear slower. Then you don't need Linkglide, and can ride standard Hyperglide.
I have 11-45 XT Linglide cassette, which weighs 590g, and here's a video about entire Linkglide drivetrain, which also includes weights of other cassettes :)
However, cassette is the part which weight changes very little. Focus on the wheels, tires, suspension...
 
Anyone managed to find and pair a lighter cassette with 11sp linkglide?

Im hating 12speed in general and thinking about converting my mtb from 12sp xt to linkglide. But dont need the heavy steel cassette for the non e.

Would like a lightish 11spd set up for the mtb.
Why would you run linkglide and not use the cassette? It’s designed to shift with constant chain engagement. I like the shift under load of the modern 12 speed systems. If you want want your current system I’d go smaller cassette xt 12, or 11 speed sram x0
 
Why would you run linkglide and not use the cassette? It’s designed to shift with constant chain engagement. I like the shift under load of the modern 12 speed systems. If you want want your current system I’d go smaller cassette xt 12, or 11 speed sram x0

He likes his cake and wants to eat it too... he's hating 12 spd and likes the idea of linkglide, but not the weight, but still needs a massive dinner plate.
 
I have 11-Speed Linkglide on my commuter because it's cheap. Tried it on Levo (10-Speed), it's nice feeling that you Can Change gears on power and it has short cage but I know how to change gears so I'm happy with 12 speed GX and Older AXS on my bikes, better shifter ergonomics.
 
10 speed 11/48 lg is likely lighter than 11 speed. I find it more than adequate for the trails i ride.
 
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Anyone managed to find and pair a lighter cassette with 11sp linkglide?

Im hating 12speed in general and thinking about converting my mtb from 12sp xt to linkglide. But dont need the heavy steel cassette for the non e.

Would like a lightish 11spd set up for the mtb.
As others have mentioned, the whole purpose of Linkglide is greater durability, which is achieved by using thicker sprockets in the cassette. The thicker width means that they needed to space each sprocket further apart from its neighbors, in order to keep the chain from fouling on the next one up. The difference between 11spd Linkglide and 11spd regular Hyperglide or SRAM is about 0.3mm at each sprocket, so while you might be able to get a standard spacing 11spd cassette to work with a LG derailleur/shifter on a few cogs, when shifting across the whole spread, from smallest to largest, the total difference in width will stack up to close to 4mm, which is too big a discrepancy to consistently run smoothly. Even if you could get it to work, you wouldn't get any of the Linkglide benefits from it since you'd be using normal width sprockets. Similarly, 12spd Hyperglide/SRAM is about 0.3mm narrower spacing than the 11spd stuff, so it's incompatible in the opposite direction as Linkglide.

When Linkglide came out, I had thought it would be cool if Shimano did an XTR level of it, with Ti upper sprockets and lighter carriers, as you would still get better durability out of it than the equivalent material Hyperglide+ version, but I'm not sure what the cost/benefit would be compared to other options, or if there is any real demand for it. Maybe if enough of us send them requests, Garbaruk will pick up the idea, and they use a cool 1-piece machined design similar to the higher end SRAM cassettes, so they should deliver better durability than the XTR style ones that use Ti for the middle size sprockets.

Given you already have a derailleur and shifter for 12-speed, and a wheel that presumably has a 12 speed Microspline freehub body, your options for cutting weight while keeping your desired gear range (and maybe dropping from 12-11 speeds) are:

1. Search out one of the very rare XTR CS-M9110-11 cassettes. These are 11-speed with 10-45 teeth so wider range than the 11 speed SRAM stuff, but it still wouldn't get you all the way to 50t. However, if combined with a 2-tooth smaller chainring, you'd be pretty darn close to the gear you want. These cassettes use 12-speed spacing and are microspline freehub body compatible, so they'd be totally compatible with your wheel and shifter/derailleur, as they were specifically made for weight conscious riders who found the 12speed stuff to be too heavy. They are basically the 367g 12-speed (10-50) XTR cassette with the largest cog removed, so they're around 310 grams.

2. Get a 12-speed Garbaruk cassette. You can get them for any freehub body, but apples to apples their Microspline 10-52 and only weighs 355g, vs your XT 10-51 at 470g. I'm unclear if you had any other beefs with 12-speed besides weight but, if weight was the main thing, this is a good option and again, would be fully compatible with your wheel, derailleur, and shifter.

3. Get an 11-speed Garbaruk cassette. These come in SRAM XD versions for 10-50 at 322g, or Hyperglide versions for 11-50 at 328g. This doesn't save much weight vs. the 12 speed Garbaruk versions, and would require a different freehub body, derailleur, and shifter, but would still provide a 50t while getting you out of the 12-speed game, so could be a good option if you have other reasons to prefer 11spd, like less finicky shifting or whatnot.

4. E13 Cassettes could work but again would require a freehub body switch, and are substantially heavier than Garbaruk in both 11 and 12 speed versions. Plus the 12 speed ones use aluminum for the larger 2 sprockets, rather than just the largest one, so I'd expect durability to be worse. They do seem to be on closeout though, if price is a factor and you want to give one a try.
 
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As others have mentioned, the whole purpose of Linkglide is greater durability, which is achieved by using thicker sprockets in the cassette. The thicker width means that they needed to space each sprocket further apart from its neighbors, in order to keep the chain from fouling on the next one up. The difference between 11spd Linkglide and 11spd regular Hyperglide or SRAM is about 0.3mm at each sprocket, so while you might be able to get a standard spacing 11spd cassette to work with a LG derailleur/shifter on a few cogs, when shifting across the whole spread, from smallest to largest, the total difference in width will stack up to close to 4mm, which is too big a discrepancy to consistently run smoothly. Even if you could get it to work, you wouldn't get any of the Linkglide benefits from it since you'd be using normal width sprockets. Similarly, 12spd Hyperglide/SRAM is about 0.3mm narrower spacing than the 11spd stuff, so it's incompatible in the opposite direction as Linkglide.

When Linkglide came out, I had thought it would be cool if Shimano did an XTR level of it, with Ti upper sprockets and lighter carriers, as you would still get better durability out of it than the equivalent material Hyperglide+ version, but I'm not sure what the cost/benefit would be compared to other options, or if there is any real demand for it. Maybe if enough of us send them requests, Garbaruk will pick up the idea, and they use a cool 1-piece machined design similar to the higher end SRAM cassettes, so they should deliver better durability than the XTR style ones that use Ti for the middle size sprockets.

Given you already have a derailleur and shifter for 12-speed, and a wheel that presumably has a 12 speed Microspline freehub body, your options for cutting weight while keeping your desired gear range (and maybe dropping from 12-11 speeds) are:

1. Search out one of the very rare XTR CS-M9110-11 cassettes. These are 11-speed with 10-45 teeth so wider range than the 11 speed SRAM stuff, but it still wouldn't get you all the way to 50t. However, if combined with a 2-tooth smaller chainring, you'd be pretty darn close to the gear you want. These cassettes use 12-speed spacing and are microspline freehub body compatible, so they'd be totally compatible with your wheel and shifter/derailleur, as they were specifically made for weight conscious riders who found the 12speed stuff to be too heavy. They are basically the 367g 12-speed (10-50) XTR cassette with the largest cog removed, so they're around 310 grams.

2. Get a 12-speed Garbaruk cassette. You can get them for any freehub body, but apples to apples their Microspline 10-52 and only weighs 355g, vs your XT 10-51 at 470g. I'm unclear if you had any other beefs with 12-speed besides weight but, if weight was the main thing, this is a good option and again, would be fully compatible with your wheel, derailleur, and shifter.

3. Get an 11-speed Garbaruk cassette. These come in SRAM XD versions for 10-50 at 322g, or Hyperglide versions for 11-50 at 328g. This doesn't save much weight vs. the 12 speed Garbaruk versions, and would require a different freehub body, derailleur, and shifter, but would still provide a 50t while getting you out of the 12-speed game, so could be a good option if you have other reasons to prefer 11spd, like less finicky shifting or whatnot.

4. E13 Cassettes could work but again would require a freehub body switch, and are substantially heavier than Garbaruk in both 11 and 12 speed versions. Plus the 12 speed ones use aluminum for the larger 2 sprockets, rather than just the largest one, so I'd expect durability to be worse. They do seem to be on closeout though, if price is a factor and you want to give one a try.
That's good info cheers.

Theres two main reasons I want to ditch 12 speed. 1) its finicky as shit and needs to be adjusted perfectly or it turns to shit, 2) its terrible in mud with the spacing to close together.

I dont need the durilability of the link glide cassette on the mtb. So maybe my better option rather than use link glide spacing is to go back to standard 11sp, but with the aftermarket cassette and maybe run an xt 12 speed derailleur to get the 11-50 spread.. .

Ps i have xt linkglide on me e and its good. I simply want to replicate that on the mtb but lighter because weight matters when im meat biking it up a steep as shit hill.
 
AFAIK, if you must have Linkglide, I think you are restricted to Shimano and need a Cues derailleur. Does your E-bike have that specific derailleur on it to push the XT Linkglide cassette? They have 11-50 cassettes in 11 speed options. If you don't need Linkglide, there are a lot more options.
 
Anyone managed to find and pair a lighter cassette with 11sp linkglide?

Im hating 12speed in general and thinking about converting my mtb from 12sp xt to linkglide. But dont need the heavy steel cassette for the non e.

Would like a lightish 11spd set up for the mtb.
There is an XT version of Link glide M8130 but other than the derailluer and shifter it tends to use the LG700 cassette and LN500 chain. Although I gotta be honest and ask why you would be worried about weight with an Ebike even an SL. Bikes which are typically 45-55lbs, 10-20 lbs heavier than the average trail or enduro bike. Other than the battery and the motor and maybe the wheels and frame it's a very vain attempt to lighten an Ebike.
 
There is an XT version of Link glide M8130 but other than the derailluer and shifter it tends to use the LG700 cassette and LN500 chain. Although I gotta be honest and ask why you would be worried about weight with an Ebike even an SL. Bikes which are typically 45-55lbs, 10-20 lbs heavier than the average trail or enduro bike. Other than the battery and the motor and maybe the wheels and frame it's a very vain attempt to lighten an Ebike.
I did say it was for my mtb........ not my e. Im running lg700 on my e. I don't need that much durability on my mtb. But do like 11 speed.
 
I missed that this was for your bike (not e-bike). XTR Hyperglide is the best thing going in that case.

I actually have one of the magical and very rare XTR Hyperglide 11 speed cassettes on my Smuggler that TheKaiser mentioned and it is my best shifting cassette at a great weight to boot; but it's really just the 12 speed with the 1st gear removed.

On my trail bike, yah I can climb anything on that 45t and 32 front on a 29" rear wheel, but for steeps I'd want the 51T for sure. I take my e-bike for the steep days.
 
I missed that this was for your bike (not e-bike). XTR Hyperglide is the best thing going in that case.

I actually have one of the magical and very rare XTR Hyperglide 11 speed cassettes on my Smuggler that TheKaiser mentioned and it is my best shifting cassette at a great weight to boot; but it's really just the 12 speed with the 1st gear removed.

On my trail bike, yah I can climb anything on that 45t and 32 front on a 29" rear wheel, but for steeps I'd want the 51T for sure. I take my e-bike for the steep days.
Problem with this is that 11sp Deore, SLX, XT and XTR are slated for the trash bin in favor of Linkglide leaving only the 12sp versions, Linkglide XT was throwing a bone at folks who ran the 11sp version with a higher end derailluer and smoother shifting. So even if he finds that groupset out there I would expect it to be even more expensive as rarer now and no way of getting parts further down the road.
 
I just sent Garbaruk an email suggesting they consider making a lightweight Linkglide-compatible cassette. I'll let update the thread if I hear anything significant back from them. Linkglide width cogs but with a 1 piece weight conscious machined design sounds pretty sweet to me in terms of a "best of both worlds" durability and weight.

Also, I should mention, for anyone considering their cassettes for e-bikes, I just noticed in their tech info that they specifically say their older 11spd and 12spd cassettes are not intended for e-bike use. The only e-bike approved cassettes they offer are their new "2.0" 12 and 13 speed models, which also have refined tooth shaping for better shifting. I also asked them if they plan to similarly update any of the HG/XD 11spd stuff.

UPDATE: I heard back from Garbaruk, and they actually said that, contrary to their website, their older cassettes are e-bike compatible. They also said they are looking at making a Linkglide version, possibly by this Summer, so good stuff all around! Here is the relevant part of their reply:

"Actually all of our cassettes, including 11sp are e-bike compatible

We just warn our customers with similar inquiries they should take care of the drivetrain and treat the cassette like a standard one. The point is that e-bike riders usually use 1 or 2 gears, which leads to premature wear, they don't clean the bike and don't grease the chain.
But with a proper care the cassette will serve at least 2 years

As to cassette compatible with Shimano Linkglide system, we were thinking about it as well, but unfortunately we are limited in human resources, so the earliest we get to it is May-June 2026"
 
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12 sp on an ebike is definitely overkill. A lighter 10sp cassette and a wider/stronger/longer lasting chain would be a win.

I don't think I've ever seen either of the lowest 2 gears and our zone is not not steep.

Makes me wonder if there is a DH cassette that could work.
 
Anyone managed to find and pair a lighter cassette with 11sp linkglide?

Im hating 12speed in general and thinking about converting my mtb from 12sp xt to linkglide. But dont need the heavy steel cassette for the non e.

Would like a lightish 11spd set up for the mtb.

SHIMANO CUES CS-LG700 11-Speed Cassette Silver, 11-50T is aluminum​

 
Not 11speed but the new xt Cs-m8200 is supposed to be more durable it's recommend for the autoshift

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I'm suddenly a little confused about the Shimano offerings. In a different thread, someone made a reference to the new silver color 10speed Linkglide cassette, and provided this link, which seems to suggest that at least 1 of the cogs is titanium: https://bike.shimano.com/en-NA/products/components/pdp.P-CS-LG400-10.html

There is no weight listed, but I had thought the LG400 series cassettes were the low end ones, so the titanium reference is extra puzzling, both because I had heard no official news about new lighter Linkglide parts, as well as the fact that they seem to be using very high end materials on a low end product. In comparison, not even XT HG+ cassettes use titanium (you need to go to XTR for that). A genuine Shimano lighter weight Linkglide cassette would be awesome, but I'm having trouble believing this isn't a typo or something. The silver color is new, but can anyone confirm if these thing are really titanium, or are they just "titanium colored", the latter seems more likely, but it's odd they call it silver up top in the color description, and them specifically reference "titanium gear" lower down in the specs.

They seem to be for sale here and make no mention of being titanium, unless this is an older version (but it's silver, which I don't think was offered before): Shimano CUES CS-LG400-10 Cassette - 10-Speed 11-48t LINKGLIDE Silver
 
Not 11speed but the new xt Cs-m8200 is supposed to be more durable it's recommend for the autoshift

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That is interesting, I had not heard that the 8200 series was supposed to be more durable than the 8100 series XT. I just looked it up and it said that there was more material thickness included at the base of "some" teeth, so maybe they're applying a bit of the knowlege gained from Linkglide to the HG+ products, althogh I'm guessing it's a pretty minor difference if they're not claiming any specific % improvement (unlike the 300% percent figure claimed with Linkglide).
 
I went down the titanium wormhole myself. But the reality is the silver cassette only cost $4 more than the black one. It's not titanium.
 
I'm suddenly a little confused about the Shimano offerings. In a different thread, someone made a reference to the new silver color 10speed Linkglide cassette, and provided this link, which seems to suggest that at least 1 of the cogs is titanium: https://bike.shimano
I'm suddenly a little confused about the Shimano offerings. In a different thread, someone made a reference to the new silver color 10speed Linkglide cassette, and provided this link, which seems to suggest that at least 1 of the cogs is titanium: https://bike.shimano.com/en-NA/products/components/pdp.P-CS-LG400-10.html

There is no weight listed, but I had thought the LG400 series cassettes were the low end ones, so the titanium reference is extra puzzling, both because I had heard no official news about new lighter Linkglide parts, as well as the fact that they seem to be using very high end materials on a low end product. In comparison, not even XT HG+ cassettes use titanium (you need to go to XTR for that). A genuine Shimano lighter weight Linkglide cassette would be awesome, but I'm having trouble believing this isn't a typo or something. The silver color is new, but can anyone confirm if these thing are really titanium, or are they just "titanium colored", the latter seems more likely, but it's odd they call it silver up top in the color description, and them specifically reference "titanium gear" lower down in the specs.

They seem to be for sale here and make no mention of being titanium, unless this is an older version (but it's silver, which I don't think was offered before): Shimano CUES CS-LG400-10 Cassette - 10-Speed 11-48t LINKGLIDE Silver
I have no idea to what that titanium gear refers to, but only thing how this silver one is different to the original is the colour. Both are made from steel, that`s why they are so heavy 😀
 
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