Help with feeling held back

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Sorry for the odd title, but when riding my new Canyon Emtb, when I am riding and get past 15mph, it feels as though you are fighting against the motor and it is trying to slow you down. Am I doing something wrong? Any thoughts please.
 
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That's normal - assist cuts out and gives you the sensation of significant drag. In other parts of the world, the speed cutout is at 20mph or more. Some folks destrict or modify their eMTBs to allow the assistance to continue to a higher speed.
 
That's normal - assist cuts out and gives you the sensation of significant drag. In other parts of the world, the speed cutout is at 20mph or more. Some folks destrict or modify their eMTBs to allow the assistance to continue to a higher speed.
Thank you for that. It's a real pain as a little too slow sometime. Looks like I will be investigating a resolution to this issue.
 
Yep sadly we all deal with this. The US limit is a lot more palatable

TBH even that 20mph limit feels constraining at times. I occasionally set my Amflow to 28mph - not that I ride 28, but it takes away that "power off" sensation in most situations.
 
Sorry for the odd title, but when riding my new Canyon Emtb, when I am riding and get past 15mph, it feels as though you are fighting against the motor and it is trying to slow you down. Am I doing something wrong? Any thoughts please.

Now you know what it's like to peddle a 50 pound Amish bike at 15 mph. While it might sound like a great idea to jailbreak your bike so it goes 28 mph, don't forget that the force of air resistance increases with the square of your velocity. You use 3.5 times more battery at 28 mph than you do at 15 mph.
 
Now you know what it's like to peddle a 50 pound Amish bike at 15 mph. While it might sound like a great idea to jailbreak your bike so it goes 28 mph, don't forget that the force of air resistance increases with the square of your velocity. You use 3.5 times more battery at 28 mph than you do at 15 mph.

Just wear one of these.
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this may be complete rubbish but it feels like what happens on my bike ( Bosch CX)!
The indicated speed when the motor cuts out on my bike ( indicated on Kiox 300) is a bout 16.6mph. As soon as that happens it feels like someone applied the brake....but if I stop pedalling for a second or two and then start pedalling again that sensation goes away and I am just then faced with the expected rolling resistance of a heavy bike with knobbly tyres. What is feels like to me is that the the motor assist cuts out but the motor does not instantly disengage from the cranks until I stop putting torque through the cranks. It is the same on all my Bosch CX bikes so it is not a fault.
Of course it may just be that psychologically I do not immediately go from assist to non assist, so maybe it gives my brain a second or two to adjust!! No idea but I find myself doing the stop pedalling thing for a second on assist cut out quite naturally as a matter of habit!!
 
get past 15mph
Class 1 man. From the factory my Canyon did that at 17, then for the USA you could get the bike shop to up to 20. If you are in UK or EU then 15 is what it is.

All 3 of those are ridiculously slow if you are trying to get somewhere. Only time I dont switch to 28 is when im trying to save battery on my 56 mile days using two bikes
 
Sorry for the odd title, but when riding my new Canyon Emtb, when I am riding and get past 15mph, it feels as though you are fighting against the motor and it is trying to slow you down. Am I doing something wrong? Any thoughts please.
Sorry your being helped back by nonsensical laws supported by telegraph, daily fail readers and tubby sweaty lawyers who populate talk shows and breakfast TV.

Instead of harmonising assistance with the 20mph speed limit your stuck with 15.5mph to infuriate motorists as they crawl by due to the low differential between speeds.
 
Whenever assisted speed cut off is mentioned some contributors give the impression that is the bike's maximum speed...which is of course nonsense. If the rides are so flat and tame as to enable speeds beyond the assist cut off it just means you have to put more effort into it. If the amount of effort seems to high, perhaps consider whether you actually need such heavy,robust and slow rolling tyres or indeed components designed for more heavy hitting enduro level riding. I have no problem taking a 26kg enduro bike beyond the assist cut off if I am forced to ride a short road section to access a trail. If however, most of my riding was on tarmac or flat gravel trails an emtb would not be my choice of bike.
 
Instead of harmonising assistance with the 20mph speed limit your stuck with 15.5mph to infuriate motorists as they crawl by due to the low differential between speeds.
Very good point 20 mph would indeed be optimal. Most analog road bike riders travel at that speed if not faster (regardless of speed limits) anyway.
 
I found it makes a huge difference riding less than optimized jump lines and I need to grab a couple pedal strokes in between jumps. Since I'm already going 20 or a little faster, instead of getting a needed boost I end up feeling like I dropped anchor right as I needed a little additional inertia coming into the lip to clear the gap.
... prompting me to give thanks that I'm riding a 170/160 sled that generally will suck up those cased landings with very little drama.
I would vote to increase the cut off for pedal assist emtbs to 25-28 mph.
 
20mph speed limit
28 not 20. But that is just set by the bike. No laws here are enforced or followed. Almost everyone runs unlimited here. Its you against the trail. Someone whose bike is limited at 15 will not progress as fast as the guy at 28.
 
28 not 20. But that is just set by the bike. No laws here are enforced or followed. Almost everyone runs unlimited here. Its you against the trail. Someone whose bike is limited at 15 will not progress as fast as the guy at 28.
I thought 28 mph was anyway standard for pedalecs sold in the US. For me here in Germany and most of Europe it is 15 mph (25 kmh) and large parts of the city and urban streets have a 20 mph (30 kmh) speed limit these days so I think an increase to 30 kmh would be optimal as well as maybe acceptable to those who make the rules!
 
I thought 28 mph was
only last year when the gen 4 levo came out and now amflow has the ability to toggle on and off 28mph.

But here there is no one policing anything, so most run unlimited. Never know when a cougar will be chasing you lol The bears run from you. Bobcats walk slowly away like your not even there.

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28 not 20. But that is just set by the bike. No laws here are enforced or followed. Almost everyone runs unlimited here. Its you against the trail. Someone whose bike is limited at 15 will not progress as fast as the guy at 28.
But will go further due to less drain on the battery.
 
Never know when a cougar will be chasing you lol
You probabley never would know, until it was too late, that a cougar was chasing you, apparently they can run up to 50 mph so whether your bike is 15, 20 or 28 mph it won't make a lot of difference.:eek:
Thankfully we don't have too many wild cougars here in Munich.;)
 
will go further
Not a lot, but on days im going 30 miles and climbing 3500' in cold weather, I do run class 1. The difference is only a mile or two on a 30 mile ride. But I drain my batteries down to the last few miles, so I dont like cutting it short, my last 2 miles is a 750' 2 mile climb.
 
never would know
Yes and no, correct they are ambush hunters, and lucky we generally are not on their menu. But the last guy they killed in this county 2 years ago, the cat just walked up to two brothers hiking early twenties and attacked both from the front, killing one and messing up his brother pretty bad.

My buddies were on a trail a few months ago, where I rode 5 days a week for a year, and my buddy heard it crashing through the Manzanita and he took off, never saw the cat, my other buddy who was riding with the first guy, behind him came face to face and had to throw rocks at it, then retreat the opposite way just to get out of there. They both carry pepper spray now mounted on their bars.

I saw a German shepard sized cat last month leap across the trail 40 yards in front of me, was bridle colored. Did not see its tail, so it was either the biggest bobcat ive ever seen, and ive seen 4 in the wild, or a juvenile mnt lion. I stopped where it crossed looking for it, and whistled and it leapt up hiding in tall grass about 20' away and took off through the brush faster than I could get a look at it.

They say its the ones you dont see you have to worry about, and I wear a full face and have a backpack in case of rear attacks. But attacks are very very rare. It took me a few years to ride where I do now alone in the daytime, but I try and not be out alone at dusk or dawn.
 
Cougars are self preservationist. They will size you up way before pouncing. An injury in their world is certain death, probably slow and painful. They won’t attack if their instinct says possible injury. Fool that instinct with tons of noise. And carry a solid stick.
If they are starving or sick they will attack people. Most the time they see us, and decide to leave us alone. Without us ever knowing. Especially on a bike at 10-30mph. I’m not worried at all about them. I live IN cougar territory.

There is ALWAYS bad timing. Should I die by a cougar, trust I fought my ass off hoping for a great story………..
 
Sorry your being helped back by nonsensical laws supported by telegraph, daily fail readers and tubby sweaty lawyers who populate talk shows and breakfast TV.

Instead of harmonising assistance with the 20mph speed limit your stuck with 15.5mph to infuriate motorists as they crawl by due to the low differential between speeds.

I totally agree, I'm a Telegraph subscriber and commentator and every bleedin' time ebikes enter the news, it's always... they all hate them. Most of these a/holes are pissed off with what they call ebikes (fast food delivery death traps ridden by illegals, morons in London ignoring every rule, including common sense and the Surron type bikes).
Most don't have a clue what an emtb is, where it's used or what the countryside is other than somewhere to blast around in whilst driving humongous Range Rovers at 70mph down narrow country lanes. When you call them out in the comments, they have nothing, no real arguments, just their own lopsided views and wanting number plates, insurance and road tax on ALL bikes, not just ebikes. And I agree raising the 15.5mph limit would help defuse some of the hatred they have BUT those very same morons in London and other cities would abuse it even further.
 
I fought my ass off
That is the key ;) In the pic I posted, you can see cattle grazing land in the background, At the base of Flagstaff hill, the ranchers tell us there a big 250 lb male that runs through there. I know damn well he watches us. Glad were not on the menu.
 
I installed a Smartbox on my EMTB and no speed restrictions. There are a few places on the trail where I would otherwise go faster than 20 but the main reason I installed it is the 3.0 mile fire road trip I have to and from the trail every day. Being limited to 20 MPH and that road is silly when the speed limit is 25. All the Manufactuers should limit their bikes to the law but give the owner the option to turn it off when needed. Some already do this but they should all adopt this policy.
 
TBH even that 20mph limit feels constraining at times. I occasionally set my Amflow to 28mph - not that I ride 28, but it takes away that "power off" sensation in most situations.
On an Amflow you hit the 20 MPH limit within seconds. Thankfully the trail I ride next to my house is suited to going 20 MPH max. However the 1.5 mile ride home is just a dirt fire road and the 28 MPH limit is more appropriate.
 
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