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This guys generally a complete tool but interesting video.
Have Avinox given us a good thing (or not)?
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This guys generally a complete tool but interesting video.
I thought you'd pickup on that & you're right of course but if you don't think moarrrr regulation will flow from all the wonderful attention electric two wheeled conveyances are receiving then I have a beach hut in Wolverhampton to sell you.
The second part is myopic imo. We're already seeing a lot of noise from Fire services mopping up after mopes who thought Ali Express was the answer to all their transport problems & the clock is ticking until some feckless besurroned hood rat scythes down an upstanding member of the community up the shopping parade & then the heat really will be on.
we are definitely going in circles here.
the bottom line, as far as I'm concerned, is that the M2S motor has a continuous power higher than 250W
which means in the UK it should be registered and taxed, the owner should have a licence and wear a motorbike helmet.
one camp think that definitely won't factor into UK legislation ever, and the other camp think it might...
the bottom line, as far as I'm concerned, is that the M2S motor has a continuous power higher than 250W
which means in the UK it should be registered and taxed, the owner should have a licence and wear a motorbike helmet.
one camp think that definitely won't factor into UK legislation ever, and the other camp think it might...
This may be a crazy take to some of you, but these bikes just aren’t that fast. Even the avinox on boost is not that fast. No innocent bystander is going to bat an eye at you looking like a dork trying to do a tech climb in turbo lol.
Surrons and the like should be your only worry. Kids in my area and I’m sure everywhere else are getting killed out wheelying them on the highways juking cars out. Not to mention everyone getting mad about them on mtb trails. As long as they maintain separation of “pedal assist” and “throttle electric bike” or whatever, then we’re going to be fine.
Surrons and the like should be your only worry. Kids in my area and I’m sure everywhere else are getting killed out wheelying them on the highways juking cars out. Not to mention everyone getting mad about them on mtb trails. As long as they maintain separation of “pedal assist” and “throttle electric bike” or whatever, then we’re going to be fine.
How do they even enforce it? Like are there park rangers stopping people and asking what continuous wattage their bikes go to? Have you ever been stopped? Just curious
25kph wearing a motorcycle helmet. That makes sense ....... ? So exactly which EMTBs cannot put out more than 250 watts continuously ? There is literally none. Motor ratings are a minimum power the motor can dissipate. Continuous power is limited by the BMS and battery.
Looks like we're all getting motorcycle helmets.
that infrastructure is mainly in cities currently, so no I haven't
but, here are some links detailing some of the new proposed legislation (changes to Crime and Policing bill) coming through the UK parliament
Paul Davies MP raises the issue of the Off-Road Bike Menace
Last week the Crime and Policing Bill passed its second reading. The Bill represents the most significant package of measures on crime and policing in decades. This Bill includes 50 new …
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Four new cycling offences tabled in Lords as Government targets Illegal e-cycle use
Last week’s oral question debate in the House of Lords (10 June 2025) confirmed a significant development in the regulatory landscape for electric cycles (e-cycles), with the Government proposing four new criminal offences and fresh enforcement powers to tackle their illegal and dangerous use on...
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What has any of that got to do with non-modified legally compliant EMTBs ?that infrastructure is mainly in cities currently, so no I haven't
but, here are some links detailing some of the new proposed legislation (changes to Crime and Policing bill) coming through the UK parliament
Paul Davies MP raises the issue of the Off-Road Bike Menace
Last week the Crime and Policing Bill passed its second reading. The Bill represents the most significant package of measures on crime and policing in decades. This Bill includes 50 new …Four new cycling offences tabled in Lords as Government targets Illegal e-cycle use
Last week’s oral question debate in the House of Lords (10 June 2025) confirmed a significant development in the regulatory landscape for electric cycles (e-cycles), with the Government proposing four new criminal offences and fresh enforcement powers to tackle their illegal and dangerous use on...
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Let me know if you ever have been or know of anyone stopped on a manufactured (not home built) ebike in the UK and had the motor power tested. Never heard or seen it in all my years riding.
The whole point is that the current ebike laws and regulations aren't fit for purpose. Not to mention the infrastructure (which is a whole another avenue) to support safe travel for e powered machines is non-existent in the uk.
Even with the harsh laws and regulations around motor vehicles, I still see kids riding 80cc and 125cc crossers around country lanes and offroad trails and they have been doing that since I was a kid
I'm a bit late to this thread but how do you know this?
I have an M1 - rated to 1000W. Even on a strenuous ride in the Scotland/Lakes/Wales/wherever the motor averages about 100W. It rarely, if ever, even gets to 1000W.
To reach a 250W average is actually incredibly hard. You're governed more by terrain - you'd need a runway to pedal down as fast as you could, whilst going uphill.
The M2S does not have a continuous power of more than 250W. Don't spread lies.
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They discussed it and the transcript is here...that infrastructure is mainly in cities currently, so no I haven't
but, here are some links detailing some of the new proposed legislation (changes to Crime and Policing bill) coming through the UK parliament
Paul Davies MP raises the issue of the Off-Road Bike Menace
Last week the Crime and Policing Bill passed its second reading. The Bill represents the most significant package of measures on crime and policing in decades. This Bill includes 50 new …Four new cycling offences tabled in Lords as Government targets Illegal e-cycle use
Last week’s oral question debate in the House of Lords (10 June 2025) confirmed a significant development in the regulatory landscape for electric cycles (e-cycles), with the Government proposing four new criminal offences and fresh enforcement powers to tackle their illegal and dangerous use on...
What a waste of space and resources these guys take up.
Anything come of it? No.
It's funny, because where I live I rarely see the Police. You should see the driving in my City. It's actually nuts. But no-one cares. There aren't enough Police and they don't have enough resources to tackle even basic crime let alone have the time to measure an e bikes maximum continuous rated output.
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No because anecdote is not the plural of data.
But I concur on the last point. There is always a moral panic around, they sell newspapers. However, wherever regulation goes & it only ever goes in one direction, there will always be a difference between fools burning round the estate on Chinese junk & us lot up the woods. The odds are not the same.
The Avinox motors comply with the regulations the same as all the other current mtb motors due. Peak output is not the same as continuous. You can argue that the regulations are bollocks if you want but they and everyone else are playing by the current rules.
Registration and tax only apply to road use so even if the motors weren't compliant with the power rules it would make no difference when used off road.
average is continuous ?
'while the premium M2S delivers up to 1,300 W & 130 Nm continuously'
the M2S is very obviously higher than 250W continuous
nope - only when you have permission to ride on private land
when it's public land the law on EAPC stays the same regardless
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Whoops. Thank god you're here.
I would immediately contact them and let them know. The scientists, technicians and engineers that created the motor obviously didn't understand the rules.
They were looking for a new head of legal I saw recently - so maybe it's your chance.
Also better get the UKCA to retract their certifcate of conformity.
This is going to bring the whole system down. What have you done?
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Well with a response like that you will go far. Corporate are always looking for the big thinkers.
You've spotted something big here. It's clear to see you are on another level when it comes to understanding this complex law. 4d chess mate.
You should get together with Donald. I've heard he's also on another level. The best they say.
The mode is continuous. Not the power. It cannot deliver 1300 Watts continuously for the entire discharge of the battery. The motor has a temperature sensor and derates as it heats up, as does the Battery Pack.
Watch the video of Rob interviewing the Avinox Rep. He clearly states this.
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@RobRides has recently dropped a really interesting technical interview with Ferdinand Wolf from Avinox. Well worth a watch and it's very impressive to see the work that Avinox have put in to their new motors.
I don't seem to be able to link to the video, but at 6min10secs Ferdinand specifically states that it is the battery that dictates when thermal limiting cuts in to reduce the motor power and that the new Avinox cells can deliver 1500W CONTINUOUSLY without any thermal derating of their new motors.
In the EU we have obligatory labels on our eMTBs that state that the bike is limited to no more than 250W continuous power, and as such is subject to class 1 restrictions (rather than more onerous restrictions applicable to higher classes). Maybe I'm wrong, but I can't see how a bike brand can now sell an eMTB with an M2S motor in the EU and still legally stick these class 1 labels on their bikes.
ok so you're saying pinkbike and others have got it wrong RE: the 1300W continuous - fine
I've simply stated it obviously exceeds 250w continuous
you're telling me you honestly believe it doesn't exceed 250W continuous?
For certification in NSW, they must provide some sort of evidence of compliance. If the motor never re-rated, then it would not be certified.
The 700Whr battery can sustain the 1500watts longer than the motor. Where as in the older battery, the battery derated first.
That is all that is going on. But they all de-rate when they get hot. Now does that make the motor rating 250 watts. No idea. But I doubt any of the 750 watt motors are derating all the way back to 250 watts.
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Are you trolling now?
Do you seriously think that Avinox would be allowed to sell and get this motor certified in the UK and Europe if it didn't meet the regulations?
trolling would be personal attacks in my book...
am I insulting Astro66 somehow?
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I thought you were feigning stupidity - I was giving you the benefit of the doubt...
the troll is deep in you, I see...
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Thank you for your contribution to this thread. I think we understand your view that it is all nonsense. You don't really need to say any more, and if you wish to continue your disparaging comments with other people perhaps you could do it by PM and leave the rest of us out of it. Thanks.
Is it you? It's you isn't it.
For a bloke with a handful of posts in here, you are throwing more than a bit of tedious shit about than you ought.
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Calm down darling. I wasn't calling anyone a wanker...
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Aaahh. Sorry Rusty.
I'll try and catch up with your post count. Although not sure that is humanly possible in my lifetime... I'm making a good start though.
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Don't call me darling and I won't call you a wanker.
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