GOBAO ECVT EMTB Mid-Drive Motor

In an earlier post, responding to @patdam I was conflating manual transmission as a gearbox (pinion or manual transmission in a car). Maybe not what was being asked. I now believe he was talking about derailleur transmission. My bad.

My thoughts are still that the e-cvt may be benifical here also as mentioned, the existing motor systems already have planetary and or belt speed reduction that is already contributing to some efficiency losses, here they could be the same or even less depending on which part of the planetary is being driven by the motor. The toyota e-cvt confguration is not the only possible configuration available. It has its own design constraints, such as an internal combustion engine that can only spin at a limited rpm, and in only 1 direction. I suggest that the 2 electric motors could drive the internal gears of the planetary (sun and planets) which will inherently provide significant reduction to the system.
Also, I can't remember which thread I mentioned this earlier, but the addition of a 2nd motor does not necessarily mean a loss of efficiency. It verry well could, and probably will/has is early generations of design, but these 2 motors are not both 1500w each, they will possibly be around 1000w and 500w. Remember the torque/power is added/multiplied through the gearing.
 
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Not much more is required for ECVT besides connecting the extra motor and unshackling the ring gear to connect to the drive motor.
I am new to the concept of e-cvt and just coming to the conclusion that the chain ring rotates at a different cadence than the pedal crank. Interesting...
 
I am new to the concept of e-cvt and just coming to the conclusion that the chain ring rotates at a different cadence than the pedal crank. Interesting...
This is why, if you set the E-CVT up with say 12 fixed gears. The pedalling should feel almost identical to a 12 speed derailleur, as it doesn't matter if the ratio change between the cranks and rear wheel, is done at the chainwheel, or the cassette.

It's only the ratio between the cranks and rear wheel that determines the feedback to your legs.
 
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E2drive patents already show several potential ecvt configurations.


Didn't yet check for gobao or avinox patents.

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Nothing yet found for DJI or avinox
 
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Shimano, 10 years ago, didn't believe in ecvt...
 

Shimano, 10 years ago, didn't believe in ecvt...
wy you said "shimano didn't believe", as they deposit patents on ECVT in 2017 ? (sorry i'm not fluent in english)
 
Well, they didn't bring it to the market.
Maybe they didn't believe that customers would buy this technology.
Maybe they had other reasons not to further develop this technology.
 
Well, they didn't bring it to the market.
Maybe they didn't believe that customers would buy this technology.
Maybe they had other reasons not to further develop this technology.
OK. . Perhaps it was also to block the market launch of this system, which would compete with them ?
 
Well, they didn't bring it to the market.
Maybe they didn't believe that customers would buy this technology.
Maybe they had other reasons not to further develop this technology.
10 years ago is a long time in the history of emtb. Remember what they looked like back then and what specs were? Development likely was not advanced enough to bring an eCVT to market back then.
 
E2drive patents already show several potential ecvt configurations.


Didn't yet check for gobao or avinox patents.

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Nothing yet found for DJI or avinox


Excellent find!
 
I colored gears and put together the flow pattern along with a legend to try and better understand the design and the gear path to the chain ring (which is separate from the crank) as attached. Green is the gear reduction, similar to a derailleur bike, everthing else is the transmission that will effectively replace the derailleur drive train.


gear path ecvt.webp
 
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