Highland Wheels
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It'll have activated walk mode itself if the controller is playing up
Forbidden Druid - Avinox Powered
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Highland Wheels
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Had my first ride out with the 50mm risers today as well at a frozen but dry Golfie. Opened up the comp on the Zebs also , PBs everywhere 
Need to play about with the rear again, Might be a bit too stiff or too much HBO so I'll back that off a click as well and see how that goes as was struggling to get full travel on the back
Need to play about with the rear again, Might be a bit too stiff or too much HBO so I'll back that off a click as well and see how that goes as was struggling to get full travel on the back
I have settled on just the 1 click of HBO. Anymore and it seems to deaden the shockHad my first ride out with the 50mm risers today as well at a frozen but dry Golfie. Opened up the comp on the Zebs also , PBs everywhere
Need to play about with the rear again, Might be a bit too stiff or too much HBO so I'll back that off a click as well and see how that goes as was struggling to get full travel on the back
Impressive stats and day out
Must of been hard work with a detuned Eco climbing that much? It’s not the most efficient drive system with the idler and tight motor.I did a similar ride in -1c conditions but stayed in a detuned Auto mode. 3% left once I got back to the van. Trails were running epic and finally happy with my suspension settings… for now.
I’m still thinking about trying a 50mm riser bar… Did you drop any spacers to keep roughly at the same height or were you aiming for a higher position? Role the bars forward at all? Do you have the Zeb fully open on HSC & LSC? I ended up there but have just added 2 clicks back on LSC.Had my first ride out with the 50mm risers today as well at a frozen but dry Golfie. Opened up the comp on the Zebs also , PBs everywhere
Need to play about with the rear again, Might be a bit too stiff or too much HBO so I'll back that off a click as well and see how that goes as was struggling to get full travel on the back
Bet Golfie was epic in these dry, wintery conditions? Been a while since I’ve been but yesterday booked a trip in May
John_likes_bikes
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The notes on the update are vague and could mean anything I suppose, but how do you know about the cadence change?
Highland Wheels
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Took a 5mm spacer out so it's still higher than it was, I'd say the bars are pretty neutral roll, like got them setup for maximum rise on the vertical if that makes sense. Those PNW bars feel a lot more compliant as wellI’m still thinking about trying a 50mm riser bar… Did you drop any spacers to keep roughly at the same height or were you aiming for a higher position? Role the bars forward at all? Do you have the Zeb fully open on HSC & LSC? I ended up there but have just added 2 clicks back on LSC.
Bet Golfie was epic in these dry, wintery conditions? Been a while since I’ve been but yesterday booked a trip in May
I think it's got 2 or 3 clicks of LSC and 1 click of HSC from fully open and fairly fast rebound. Felt mint today, first time I've had a ride and felt the forks just working and being nice and plush yet supportive.
Aye or was mega, Only ridden it once on the dry and thst was on my Analogue bike, every other time it's been wet or a slop fest
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Mike29
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Impressive stats and day out
I did a similar ride in -1c conditions but stayed in a detuned Auto mode. 3% left once I got back to the van. Trails were running epic and finally happy with my suspension settings… for now.
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The eco I’m running is slightly up tuned. Was a slog but not too bad I got back to the car on 3% as well haha
Assistance, 4
Max torque, 60
Max power, 400
Motor overrun, shortest
Then all the others set to middle
Mike29
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Just missed you! I did 3 days up there 29-31st! Came home with clean kit and bike after the 3 days too, was running best it has up there for a whileHad my first ride out with the 50mm risers today as well at a frozen but dry Golfie. Opened up the comp on the Zebs also , PBs everywhere
Need to play about with the rear again, Might be a bit too stiff or too much HBO so I'll back that off a click as well and see how that goes as was struggling to get full travel on the back
Highland Wheels
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Yeah the group I go up with are super fast, like consistent top times on strava etc and were saying how quick it wad running. Definitely need to make more of an effort to get out with them. Bike fitness has definitely fallen off after not riding much or having an Eeb for half of 2025
Did notice how quickly the battery drains when it's cold out though. Was -6/7 when we started and I went through 20-30% in the same climb/mileage that would normally be 10-15%§
Motohawk75
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Idler pulley bearing drag
I absolutely love this bike but I do have one gripe !
The idler pulley bearing choice and seating is awful !
If you torque it up to spec the bearings feel pinched slightly and are unbelievably tight it’s like the brakes are on which will absolutely have an effect on the motor and battery.
I have tried re seating them but it makes no odds, the bearings are solid lube maxx and or tho I get they want longevity if you look as the enduro website they don’t recommend this type for something that spins constantly…..
If you slacken them off the pulley just spins on the bearing cases not actually spinning the bearing….
I’m going to replace them with a quality a
6903-2rs type that you would commonly find in a KTM enduro wheel bearing as surely if they can take the abuse an off road road motorcycle wheel gets over the winter in comparison it would be okay in the idler ? …….
I absolutely love this bike but I do have one gripe !
The idler pulley bearing choice and seating is awful !
If you torque it up to spec the bearings feel pinched slightly and are unbelievably tight it’s like the brakes are on which will absolutely have an effect on the motor and battery.
I have tried re seating them but it makes no odds, the bearings are solid lube maxx and or tho I get they want longevity if you look as the enduro website they don’t recommend this type for something that spins constantly…..
If you slacken them off the pulley just spins on the bearing cases not actually spinning the bearing….
I’m going to replace them with a quality a
6903-2rs type that you would commonly find in a KTM enduro wheel bearing as surely if they can take the abuse an off road road motorcycle wheel gets over the winter in comparison it would be okay in the idler ? …….
Highland Wheels
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Keep us updated @Motohawk75 i cant say it's something I've noticed really but if you change the bearing to something else and find an improvement I may follow suit.
Motohawk75
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You probably won’t notice it until you remove the chain and try and spin it , if it’s tightened to spec it feels partially seized
Highland Wheels
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Yeah that makes sense, a decent replacement bearing isn't too much anyway so might be worth doing regardless. Do they pop out easy enough or is it in pretty tight
My friends got one of these and im to scared to try it coming from a normal druid and already owning a levo4
andreaverona
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Hi,
We're doing some tests on the Italian group.
The problem isn't the bearings themselves, but the seat where they sit.
If you remove the bearings from the idler, you'll see that the Endura ones also slide quite well, but once inserted, they completely seize up, as you said!
You should try reaming the bearing seat to widen it a few microns and then put the original bearings back in.
A guy here in Italy installed some ceramic bearings to test, but once inserted, they seized up... they slide better than the originals, but not as well as when they're not installed.
jcmonty
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Ran into a Core on the trail yesterday for the first time ( if anyone was riding Teds in San Diego yesterday and was trying to retrieve your drone from being locked on a tree… hi 
)
Also had my first run on my flash 35 at 160mm. Still need more time to formulate my full opinions, but man is the fork impressive. More “alive” than my mezzer (which was still amazing ), very sensitive yet supportive , and already has me thinking of what I will do to the rear to keep up. Fore aft stiffness is really noticeable on steeps and braking. I didn’t really notice any weird torsional flex
)Also had my first run on my flash 35 at 160mm. Still need more time to formulate my full opinions, but man is the fork impressive. More “alive” than my mezzer (which was still amazing ), very sensitive yet supportive , and already has me thinking of what I will do to the rear to keep up. Fore aft stiffness is really noticeable on steeps and braking. I didn’t really notice any weird torsional flex
Sounds like you are settling into a setup very similar to mineTool a 5mm spacer out so it's still higher than it was, I'd say the bars are pretty neutral roll, like got them setup for maximum rise on the vertical if that makes sense. Those PNW bars feel a lot more compliant as well
I think it's got 2 or 3 clicks of LSC and 1 click of HSC from fully open and fairly fast rebound. Felt mint today, first time I've had a ride and felt the forks just working and being nice and plush yet supportive.
Aye or was mega, Only ridden it once on the dry and thst was on my Analogue bike, every other time it's been wet or a slop fest
Hi, very keen on this druid, what worries me is the dji efficiency especially with the idler. Im 100kg. Currently ride a whyte elyte with a bosch sx and 400wh battery. If I put the extender on (250wh)and keep it in eco I can get 26 miles and about 5000ft of climbing. Seeing peoples numbers I may struggle with that even with a 800wh battery. What do people think? Is it less efficient than a bosch 650wh total battery/motor? Beear in mind to get those numbers I run a max of 50nm and 350w settings
I have just come from a Whyte elyte to the e-Druid so understand your thoughts. It’s certainly not twice the range unfortunately and it has taken me a while to detuned the Avinox motor enough for me to be comfortable with it like I was on the elyte. Last weekend I tried a similar ride to one I did when I first got the elyte. Local trails which winch & plummet type riding. On the elyte I manage 18 miles and 4000ft to run the battery dry, on the e-Druid I did 23 miles and 5500ft. However, I was in Auto on the Druid which was giving more assistance than the elyte So I probably could of used Eco and done more but I was fairly exhausted at the end of that.
Mike29 posted a ride he has just done which was 25(?) miles and 7500ft which running in an upturned Eco mode, 400w, 60nm, which is still higher than your elyte Eco.
For me, the range is around 1/3 more than I could get from the elyte but I never have.To think about fitting the RE and I prefer the way the Druid rides so it has been a good move.
Thanks for that. How much do you weigh? It's a shame it's not very efficient
I’m 96kg and have no range problems. I can run full turbo and do 25km with 700m of climbing easily with the 800Wh battery. Realistically the idler isn’t going to add more than 10-15W of drag. You won’t have any problems getting those numbers in eco.
My last bike was a Wild with Gen4 Bosch (85 Nm) motor with 625 battery. I rarely used any mode other than MTB+, which provided me with approximately 1400 meters of climbing. However, with the Avinox with all specs up, I can achieve 1750 meters of climbing in Auto mode and 1550 meters in Trail mode consistently. I weigh around 90 kilograms fully equipped.
I found the Avinox ridiculously efficient for the power it delivers. I try to keep my power between 200-220 Watts when going solo and the Avinox helps me keep a more stable output.
The idler only takes about 1-3 W of power.
No experience with the Forbidden. I own an Amflow, if I tune down the power output tone same as Bosch, the efficiency is very similar. Of course the top power setting consumes more…
doochenozzle
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Total insanity that we’re discussing an idler on an ebike sapping power. Give me a break. No one can ever say mtbers aren’t huge dorks. Worse than sport climbers.
I was a climber for 20 years - it’s close, but sport climbers are bigger dorks. I never quite made it to the level of belay glasses.
I’m around 87Kg ready to ride.
I wouldn’t say it’s inefficient at all but it generally provides more power than other platforms regardless of what the numbers say. Most noise you see online about the Avinox system being inefficient is from people who don’t tune the motor beyond just adjusting the watts to the same level as other motors. The Avinox system can give up to 800% assistance so you need to be adjusting Assistance Range setting to bring the power levels inline with other motors.
The Auto and Trail modes are dynamic and this is where the motor will adapt to gradient and rider input more. If you want just an amount of power, use the Eco mode and tune the watts and torque to the levels you want.
Personally I like the Auto mode, to which I tune down to 400w and 60Nm with an Assitance Range of 3-7. This gives me an equivalent of Eco for you running along on the flat but when I hit a hill and put in more effort, it ramps up to much. I can get a good 3 hours of non-stop climbing and descending from this setting and personally I done at that point. However, I could then put it on fast charge back at the van and be ready to go again in an hour or less.
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