DH World Cup thread

[dotcodotuk]

I don’t understand what you’re saying.

When a rider has the quickest time through the first segment; they have to be the fastest of everyone to that point. Right? The rest of the course doesn’t matter because the rider hasn’t gotten there yet.

What metric was this rider 8th in?

Asa had come down before Gwin but was slow at Split 1. Asa made all his time up as he went on and got himself on the hotseat by the end of his run.

Gwin was 0.340-seconds faster than Asa to Split 1, so it shows him as green, but still only the 8th fastest rider down the hill by that point, so it shows the (8) to denote that.

When everyone had come down and the race was done, Gwin ended up being 21st fastest to Split 1 and Asa ended up being 26th. Even Williams was slow, coming in as the 16th fastest to Split 1 - which shows you how much time he made up in the bottom section(s).

Uncle Rico was the fastest in Split 1 and 2, Williams was fastest in 3 and 4.

 

[Powerslider]

Gwin was 0.340-seconds faster than Asa to Split 1, so it shows him as green, but still only the 8th fastest rider down the hill by that point, so it shows the (8) to denote that.

My understanding is up to that point in the event; Gwin has the quickest time through the end of segment 1. That's why his time was negative and shaded green.

I'm still not grasping what he was 8th in. You can't be quickest to complete the first segment, yet 8th quickest through the first segment. Those values have to be aligned.

 

[dotcodotuk]

My understanding is up to that point in the event; Gwin has the quickest time through the end of segment 1. That's why his time was negative and shaded green.

Your understanding is incorrect.

I'm still not grasping what he was 8th in. You can't be quickest to complete the first segment, yet 8th quickest through the first segment. Those values have to be aligned.

He wasn’t quickest through Split 1.

 

[Powerslider]

Your understanding is incorrect.

He wasn’t quickest through Split 1.

I'm glad we're exploring this topic because now I'm more confused than when we started.

Gwin's first segment shows his time in the negative (-0.340) and is shaded green. This doesn't indicate he was quickest to complete segment 1?

 

[sjturner2112]

I thought the number in parentheses was where you ranked through the segment, but I don’t know how you could be leading after the first segment if you’re 8th fastest through the first segment.

What does the number in parentheses represent?

View attachment 188567

That is your (current) rank in that sector. You can be 8th and still first because you were first or faster in other sectors, plus ther eis the untimed sector at the bottom, after that last sector beacon. You can win by being the most consistently fast through all the sectors

I personally love the track as it’s just full on. Kiwis obviously love it rowdy too. NZ had 9/40 top ten places in junior woman/elite woman and junior men/elite men.

Similar happened last year. The NZ riders just love balls to the wall speed haha.

It's super similar to NZ and AU tracks, but especially NZ> Note that Jenna Hastings, who was KILLING it offseason in the IXS and Monster series, winning everything and also NZ national champ (racing against fellow NZer Sasha Earnest, who was 2nd in Andorra) came in 5th on the chocolate podium as soon as the track turned into an NZ track. Same for Sasha, who has been slowly building speed all season, almost won this one, again, as soon as the track turned into an NZ track.

I also think that the new trend, to adjust this '2-3 race runs per race' world we currently live in, with q1 and q2, and finals, is for everybody who can afford it will adopt the Alpine stars MX airbag system in order to ameliorate some of the dangers of these new speeds. That system saved Bruni's season, saved Finn, and apparently commencal muc-off just stared using it, with Aumory being the first usage I've seen from that team, and it most certainly saved Aumory from serious upper-body injury in that super hectic crash of his. I have pleased with Pivot racing (lol) to get on board with this system, Bernard, you cannot take another hugie, and Rog is goign to have one eventually, and I think Jenna needs one to keep her mind off crashing, and she'll start to place better in qualies.

 

[dotcodotuk]

I'm glad we're exploring this topic because now I'm more confused than when we started.

Gwin's first segment shows his time in the negative (-0.340) and is shaded green. This doesn't indicate he was quickest to complete segment 1?

Red/Green highlight on the time is purely to denote the comparison between the rider on track and the rider sitting in P1 at the time. Are they faster or slower than the 'posted' fastest rider at that point in the race.

The number in brackets/parenthesis is to denote the rider on track's comparison time to the rider with the current quickest sector/split time at that point in the race.

Therefore the quickest overall rider and the quickest rider through each sector/split are not necessarily the same - especially when it comes to notoriously slow starter, Asa Vermette.

Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk.

 

[RustyMTB]

Jordan's airbag going off at the finish in La Thuile was hilarious though.

 

[Powerslider]

That is your (current) rank in that sector. You can be 8th and still first because you were first or faster in other sectors, plus ther eis the untimed sector at the bottom, after that last sector beacon. You can win by being the most consistently fast through all the sectors

Red/Green highlight on the time is purely to denote the comparison between the rider on track and the rider sitting in P1 at the time. Are they faster or slower than the 'posted' fastest rider at that point in the race.

The number in brackets/parenthesis is to denote the rider on track's comparison time to the rider with the current quickest sector/split time at that point in the race.

Therefore the quickest overall rider and the quickest rider through each sector/split are not necessarily the same - especially when it comes to notoriously slow starter, Asa Vermette.

What doesn't align with your guys' statement is this is the first segment. How can Gwin have the quickest time from the starting gate to the first timing point, yet not be quickest to the first timing point? I get how that could be the case in the following segments, but not the first segment. The quickest through segment 1 has to be quickest to that point on the course.

The only thing that would make sense is they're not just comparing times to race day; and the segment rank is against any time recorded in that segment all week.

 

[dotcodotuk]

What doesn't align with your guys' statement is this is the first segment. How can Gwin have the quickest time through the first segment but not be quickest to the first timing point? I get how that could be the case in the following segments, but not the first segment. The quickest through segment 1 has to be quickest to that point on the course.

I don’t think reading and comprehension is a strong point for you.

Perhaps some pretty moving graphs might help you wrap your brain around what is a relatively simple thing to understand?

Go here: https://www.pinkbike.com/news/race-...ct-laps-at-the-2026-andorra-dh-world-cup.html

Scroll down to The Story of the Race under the Elite Men's Analysis section. Watch the graph move - hit Replay if necessary.

See how they run?

 

[Powerslider]

I don’t think reading and comprehension is a strong point for you.

Perhaps some pretty moving graphs might help you wrap your brain around what is a relatively simple thing to understand?

Go here: https://www.pinkbike.com/news/race-...ct-laps-at-the-2026-andorra-dh-world-cup.html

Scroll down to The Story of the Race under the Elite Men's Analysis section. Watch the graph move - hit Replay if necessary.

See how they run?

No need to be insulting. I'm genuinely trying to understand how someone could be quickest to the first timing point while also being listed as 8th quickest to the first timing point.

This does happen in drag racing. You can have a quicker ET, but lose because you slept on the line. Reaction time isn't at play here so it seems impossible to have the best time to the first timing point, yet be listed as being 8th to that point on the course.

 

[JP-NZ]

No need to be insulting. I'm genuinely trying to understand how someone could be quickest to the first timing point while also being listed as 8th quickest to the first timing point.

I'll have a go at trying to explain this to you. Using hopefully simple to understand data

Gwin started 11th out of 30 riders.
At the first split the green 0.34 seconds shows Gwins time relative to the current rider in the hot seat which was Asa (Gwin did 38.744 to 1st split and Asa did 39.084)
The 8 in brackets shows that Gwin was the 8th Fastest of the 11 riders that have been through split one as attached

Waite 37.997

Angel 38.103

Brosnan 38.421

Dak 38.492

LMS 38.56

Hart 38.612

Viera 38.67

Gwin 38.744

The main comparison time in downhill is always to the current fastest rider.

​

 

[Powerslider]

I'll have a go at trying to explain this to you. Using hopefully simple to understand data

Gwin started 11th out of 30 riders.
At the first split the green 0.34 seconds shows Gwins time relative to the current rider in the hot seat which was Asa (Gwin did 38.744 to 1st split and Asa did 39.084)
The 8 in brackets shows that Gwin was the 8th Fastest of the 11 riders that have been through split one as attached

Waite 37.997

Angel 38.103

Brosnan 38.421

Dak 38.492

LMS 38.56

Hart 38.612

Viera 38.67

Gwin 38.744

The main comparison time in downhill is always to the current fastest rider.

​

It’s not possible to be the quickest to the first timing pylon (at that point in the main event) and also be the 8th fastest to the first timing pylon. You’re either quickest to the first timing point or you’re not.

I think we agree Gwin was the quickest from the starting gate to the first timing point at that point in the event. Yet I'm confused what the (8) represents. It can't represent who is quickest from the starting gate to the first timing point because (I think) we agree Gwin was quickest.

 

[JP-NZ]

It’s not possible to be the quickest to the first timing pylon (at that point in the main event) and also be the 8th fastest to the first timing pylon. You’re either quickest to the first timing point or you’re not.

I just told you Gwin was the 8th quickest to the first split. Forget trying to say he was fastest to the first split.

The -0.34 denotes he was quicker at the first split than the current fastest rider Asa Vermette.

Its pretty simple.

 

[Powerslider]

I just told you Gwin was the 8th quickest to the first split. Forget trying to say he was fastest to the first split.

The -0.34 denotes he was quicker at the first split than the current fastest rider Asa Vermette.

Its pretty simple.

That's not at all what I expected. I've been educated. Thank you for your patience.

 

[JP-NZ]

No probs.

If you just keep in mind when watching the colour at the split (green for faster, red for slower) is ALWAYS in comparison to the current hot seat (fastest rider completed the run).

People can get mixed up when looking at individual sections.