Decision between Amflow PX Pro, Pivot Shuttle AM and Pivot Shuttle AMpd.

[Bearfist]

Currently trying to decide between the Amflow PX Pro, Pivot Shuttle AM XO pro build and the Pivot Shuttle AMPd Ride GX build.

Two obviously having the avinox motor and the shuttle am being the gen 5 Bosch.

Two being mullet and one being 29 but can change to mullet.

All are the same price currently. Clearly the XO build has better components and is being discounted which is why it come in at the same price. A point on the shuttle am would be needing to charge the battery for the rear derailleur as I don’t think it is wired in like the other two models.

I am switching from a Levo SL gen 1. So the jump in power from 35nm will be huge. Changing so I can keep up with the other riders that are using 85nm Bosch bikes eg Trek Rail etc.

The other thing I’m struggling with would be the size. Being 180cm the pivots put me right in between a M or L. The Amflow has me in a L.

My Levo has a reach of 455 but the avinox is 478 in large. The ampd is 456 for M or 471 for large and the AM is 461 for M and 476 for L in low setting. Longer in high settings.

My main trails are described as follows

A mix of, fast, flowing trails, technical rock gardens, and some steeper, punchier sections, making it highly versatile for different types of bikes.

A versatile, all-around, or trail bike with 120mm to 140mm of travel is recommended, as the trails range from beginner-friendly to steep, technical, and rocky descents.

Any thoughts or opinions either direction would be super helpful.

 

[RustyIron]

If the bikes are so similar that it's hard to decide, then add in some more criteria. Which manufacturer can give you better support through their dealer network and parts availability? I like it when I can make a phone call to my own time zone and get problems resolved.

 

[Bearfist]

If the bikes are so similar that it's hard to decide, then add in some more criteria. Which manufacturer can give you better support through their dealer network and parts availability? I like it when I can make a phone call to my own time zone and get problems resolved.

Very valid point.

 

[bmwpowere36m3]

I'm 5'8" and have ridden from MTBs from 430 to 472 mm reach. You also need to consider stem length and stack in the equation. I wouldn't get too hung up on reach, as 450 was the go to for mediums for a long time. Now most are 460-470 mm. I jumped from a 450 to 468 (50 vs. 45 mm stem) reach and honestly I never thought about it after my first ride.

My take, the longer the travel, the longer reach works. Pivot's generally have short rear chain stays, so they require a more forward biased riding style.

There all going to be a LOT nicer and better than what you own currently. Also you jumping from an SL to a full power 150/160mm so the ride experience is going to be different.

Maybe you need to add more criteria like suggested. Do you really want an Avinox motor or not? Are they ALL currently available? Local support?

 

[levity]

180cm rider here who went from a Large gen2 Levo SL to a Medium Pivot AMP’d. I’d always ridden size Large mtbs (many brands), but after test riding Large and Medium AMP’d bikes I settled on a Medium. Riding them back to back the Large just felt truck like by comparison, and I recommend you demo both at least in the parking lot to see how they feel. After three weeks riding in Utah’s canyonland areas with ledges and tight tech I’m happy with my decision. The AMP’d is about 10 lbs heavier than the Levo SL, so a slightly smaller size helps with managing it. The DW link suspension on the Pivot is different, wonderful, and confidence inspiring, and the Avinox motor performance and control are in another league!

 

[ebsocalmtb]

You absolutely need at the minimum, test ride these bikes in the parking lot and ideally, demo them out on the trail. The change in bike geometry is going to be MASSIVE between what you're currently on and these bikes. If it were me, I would select what you buy based off of criteria in this order: Bike fit and Geo, Kinematics/Design/Intended Use, Drive Unit Preference, price/component spec. Everyone is different with their priorities, but you are clearly smart and hold onto bikes for long enough to make the investment and proper decision worth it... most of us are not that smart and can just swap out of a half baked decision next year.

so that being said, provide some body dimensions so we can provide some steering on bike fit. I personally really prefer a mullet setup with ebikes, but again, everyone has preferences. Lastly, I own a bosch cx gen 5 bike and I love it... but I love it as a bike first and love the drive unit second. I would likely target an avinox drive unit if I were buying today... but I would not buy a bike that was imperfect for me just to get an avinox vs a bosch gen 5. Similarly, if there were a mythical situation where the same bike had a bosch gen 5 that was 2k cheaper and an avinox option, I like the gen 5 enough for my usage that I would save the money and get it.

 

[MTBNomad13]

So why are you wanting any of "those 3"? A spec levo SL has one of the smallest powered motors out there and now you're looking at the fastest. Not only is geometry different but then bikes have completely different suspension platforms, 4 bar, VPP etc. Wife and I ride 150-200 days a year last 2 years and are currently on Revel Reruns with the SX motor. We have 1,000 miles on each bike and they're awesome. They are enduro builds at 170-165 and they have the CBF suspension which is absolutely the best thing we've ridden. We had SC VPPs and TRansition 4 bars and the traction is great. Plus they are thousands cheaper than a Pivot. Demoing them is a chellenge unless you're near Denver though. They have the Bosch SX motor which most people don't like because they swear they need all the power. These bikes have tons of power though at 600 watts in a 44 lbs enduro bike. just my 2 cents since I don't know why you want any of the bikes listed.

 

[drive2race4fun]

I had a Levo SL2 before a Kenevo SL1 (and full power levos in between). I enjoyed the test ride with the px pro so much, I ordered one. Felt closer to me (geo) to the levo sl than the kenevo… but I agree, I wouldn’t suggest buying a bike before at least riding it a few minutes…

 

[Bearfist]

So why are you wanting any of "those 3"? A spec levo SL has one of the smallest powered motors out there and now you're looking at the fastest. Not only is geometry different but then bikes have completely different suspension platforms, 4 bar, VPP etc. Wife and I ride 150-200 days a year last 2 years and are currently on Revel Reruns with the SX motor. We have 1,000 miles on each bike and they're awesome. They are enduro builds at 170-165 and they have the CBF suspension which is absolutely the best thing we've ridden. We had SC VPPs and TRansition 4 bars and the traction is great. Plus they are thousands cheaper than a Pivot. Demoing them is a chellenge unless you're near Denver though. They have the Bosch SX motor which most people don't like because they swear they need all the power. These bikes have tons of power though at 600 watts in a 44 lbs enduro bike. just my 2 cents since I don't know why you want any of the bikes listed.

Thank you for your advice. Never heard of that brand before and immediately looked it up. Couldn’t even find a dealer or importer in Aus for them for that model. Looks good though.

Reason for the switch from low power to more power is that everyone I ride with now has full power bikes and it’s not possible to keep up. Even with the avinox I would turn the power down but the integration of it and power delivery from reviews I seen make it seem ahead of all other systems.

I will attempt to test ride any potential purchase. The smaller 50-60 nm motors would prob be fine to keep up but I feel the smaller battery’s that most of these have would stop me riding before my group did.

 

[ebsocalmtb]

Thank you for your advice. Never heard of that brand before and immediately looked it up. Couldn’t even find a dealer or importer in Aus for them for that model. Looks good though.

Reason for the switch from low power to more power is that everyone I ride with now has full power bikes and it’s not possible to keep up. Even with the avinox I would turn the power down but the integration of it and power delivery from reviews I seen make it seem ahead of all other systems.

I will attempt to test ride any potential purchase. The smaller 50-60 nm motors would prob be fine to keep up but I feel the smaller battery’s that most of these have would stop me riding before my group did.

You for sure want to be on the same class of bike that your riding crew is on. I rode a mid power with my buddies whom were on full power bikes for the better part of a year. It only worked because I'm fitter than they are... but that still didn't change the fact that I would finish a few of those rides knackered due to having to hammer to keep up.

I'll ask again, bike fit is the most important part of the question you asked. For example, pivot's mediums are 460mm reach, which is nearly a large in other sizes. Their mediums can feel HUGE unless you have a long torso. Related to that, I chose what bikes I'm looking at, ebike or pedal bikes, based off of fit first. Even if a bike has everything I want, if I am in between sizes, I remove it from my list. Some brands fit me better than others. Pivot bikes are on my do not fit my body dimensions list.

 

[Powerslider]

My perspective:

Pivot is a top-tier bicycle manufacturer with reference-level design, engineering, and fit/finish. Amflow is a value-orientated manufacturer, generally delivering better components at the same price point.

I wouldn't personally consider any Bosch powered bike due to their reluctance to deliver a factory-authorized Class 3 solution.

In the comparison between a Amp'd Ride GX and PX Pro the Amflow's main appeal to me is the FP700 battery and better suspension. However I have confidence Avinox will eventually deliver high-current batteries that fit the Amp'd. If we're talking about me- I'd spend another $1800 for the Amp'd Pro XO,. I think it's worth it over an Amflow PX Pro, but assuming that's out of consideration in this exercise; I'd pick the PX Pro over the Amp'd Ride GX.

 

[Suns_PSD]

So why are you wanting any of "those 3"? A spec levo SL has one of the smallest powered motors out there and now you're looking at the fastest. Not only is geometry different but then bikes have completely different suspension platforms, 4 bar, VPP etc. Wife and I ride 150-200 days a year last 2 years and are currently on Revel Reruns with the SX motor. We have 1,000 miles on each bike and they're awesome. They are enduro builds at 170-165 and they have the CBF suspension which is absolutely the best thing we've ridden. We had SC VPPs and TRansition 4 bars and the traction is great. Plus they are thousands cheaper than a Pivot. Demoing them is a chellenge unless you're near Denver though. They have the Bosch SX motor which most people don't like because they swear they need all the power. These bikes have tons of power though at 600 watts in a 44 lbs enduro bike. just my 2 cents since I don't know why you want any of the bikes listed.

I'm just envious that you get to ride that many days per year, and with your partner no less! That's a lovely life!

If I rode that much, I'd go with an SL for sure. Just because your fitness is likley amazing and I would not want to just fly through all the trails too fast.

 

[Bearfist]

You for sure want to be on the same class of bike that your riding crew is on. I rode a mid power with my buddies whom were on full power bikes for the better part of a year. It only worked because I'm fitter than they are... but that still didn't change the fact that I would finish a few of those rides knackered due to having to hammer to keep up.

I'll ask again, bike fit is the most important part of the question you asked. For example, pivot's mediums are 460mm reach, which is nearly a large in other sizes. Their mediums can feel HUGE unless you have a long torso. Related to that, I chose what bikes I'm looking at, ebike or pedal bikes, based off of fit first. Even if a bike has everything I want, if I am in between sizes, I remove it from my list. Some brands fit me better than others. Pivot bikes are on my do not fit my body dimensions list.

Absolutely, i would definitely want to put a leg over anything before buying.

 

[Bearfist]

My perspective:

Pivot is a top-tier bicycle manufacturer with reference-level design, engineering, and fit/finish. Amflow is a value-orientated manufacturer, generally delivering better components at the same price point.

I wouldn't personally consider any Bosch powered bike due to their reluctance to deliver a factory-authorized Class 3 solution.

In the comparison between a Amp'd Ride GX and PX Pro the Amflow's main appeal to me is the FP700 battery and better suspension. However I have confidence Avinox will eventually deliver high-current batteries that for the Amp'd. If we're talking about me- I'd spend another $1800 for the Amp'd Pro XO,. I think it's worth it over an Amflow PX Pro, but assuming that's out of consideration in this exercise; I'd pick the PX Pro over the Amp'd Ride GX.

Haha, class 3. Wouldn't that be nice. In Aus we are very scared of bikes going fast. Max 25kph (15mph). In fact we are currently trying to pass laws to recude ebikes to 10kph on shared paths. Normal bikes can go faster though (go figure). The scourge of electric motorcycles have rushed our pollies to fix the issue. So the changes affect everyone instead of just targetting the sale of illegal electric motorcycles, humans will always be the issue we can never solve.

I like your thinking of the Pro XO, its a jump of $3k here. Top spec ebikes like the sworks levo go to $24k. Straight currency conversion between USD and AUD makes them only $16k so i guess shipping them and taxes really sting us hard.

 

[Bearfist]

You for sure want to be on the same class of bike that your riding crew is on. I rode a mid power with my buddies whom were on full power bikes for the better part of a year. It only worked because I'm fitter than they are... but that still didn't change the fact that I would finish a few of those rides knackered due to having to hammer to keep up.

I'll ask again, bike fit is the most important part of the question you asked. For example, pivot's mediums are 460mm reach, which is nearly a large in other sizes. Their mediums can feel HUGE unless you have a long torso. Related to that, I chose what bikes I'm looking at, ebike or pedal bikes, based off of fit first. Even if a bike has everything I want, if I am in between sizes, I remove it from my list. Some brands fit me better than others. Pivot bikes are on my do not fit my body dimensions list.

This was an interesting thing to do. Turns out according to in internet i am Average Joe.

Height - 180cm
Arm - 68cm
Leg Length - 85cm
Torso - 60cm

 

[Issa Slow]

I would also consider the type of riding you do. Bosch looks better suited for gravity riders.
Also weight.
Bosch would be the heaviest
Ampd GX large weight 52 pounds
Amflow would be the lightest 46-48 pounds (online videos)

Came from trek rail gen 5 aluminum and update did help but due to its weight close to 60lbs it still a tank. I enjoy the Ampd better. Huge notice in turns and climbing. Also the drag when both motors are off the Dji is easier to peddle.

Battery percentage both are similar but Dji has more. if turn down to meet Bosch it will prolly get more mileage due to bike weight difference.

As others have said dealer support and warranty are top factors

 

[Bearfist]

Google has not been kind. There are more bikes on the long list. Haha.

Transition Regulator CX
Forbidden Druid E
Santa Cruz Vala
Pivot Shuttle AMP’D
Pivot Shuttle AM
Norco Sight VLT
Amflow PX

A couple more I can’t even think of again

Guess it’s going to be a tour of the countryside and car park demos.

 

[F4Flyer]

Of those, Shuttle AM. The only reason I'd switch is to something like the Yeti.

 

[High Rock Ruti]

Currently trying to decide between the Amflow PX Pro, Pivot Shuttle AM XO pro build and the Pivot Shuttle AMPd Ride GX build.

Two obviously having the avinox motor and the shuttle am being the gen 5 Bosch.

Two being mullet and one being 29 but can change to mullet.

All are the same price currently. Clearly the XO build has better components and is being discounted which is why it come in at the same price. A point on the shuttle am would be needing to charge the battery for the rear derailleur as I don’t think it is wired in like the other two models.

I am switching from a Levo SL gen 1. So the jump in power from 35nm will be huge. Changing so I can keep up with the other riders that are using 85nm Bosch bikes eg Trek Rail etc.

The other thing I’m struggling with would be the size. Being 180cm the pivots put me right in between a M or L. The Amflow has me in a L.

My Levo has a reach of 455 but the avinox is 478 in large. The ampd is 456 for M or 471 for large and the AM is 461 for M and 476 for L in low setting. Longer in high settings.

My main trails are described as follows

A mix of, fast, flowing trails, technical rock gardens, and some steeper, punchier sections, making it highly versatile for different types of bikes.

A versatile, all-around, or trail bike with 120mm to 140mm of travel is recommended, as the trails range from beginner-friendly to steep, technical, and rocky descents.

Any thoughts or opinions either direction would be super helpful.

High Rock Ruti

Pivot for sure, rode the $9500 amped last week, wow what a drive motor. I bought the first shuttle, gave it to a friend and it still lives 10 years old now. The DW rear suspension link is fantastic. I was able to ride back to back 4 ebikes at an event including the the bikes you mentioned, not the amped however. The pivot "am" so out rode the amflow it's in a different universe. The pivots seem much more solid, than the amflow, not sure what accounts for it, but it's night and day. I'm considering buying the amped myself, at 71 the extra power of the avinox is lovely.

Warm Regards Ruti