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volume spacers affect a significant portion of the stroke, not just ultimate bottom out resistance. air is a non-linear progressive spring to begin with per complicated fluid dynamics/physics.
my definition of plush is a feeling of linearity while using nearly the whole range of travel & not just on big drops, big drops I'd rather use HSC to resist vs a progressive spring, which I find makes the bike feel like it has & is using less travel.
just personal preference & very specific to a given bike's squat/compression curve/geometry
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That's how preferences vary ?
I like my suspension plush only at the beginning of the travel and a very responsive mid travel to "push" against. I also prefer a progressive spring curve to increased (hs) compression damping, to keep the bike more lively.
But I think you would need to remove far more than one spacer, to really feel a difference in the mid stoke.
 
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Bike is in. Stem was smashed by something in shipping small paint missing, top right bar stem screw is bent. Also they sent me a euro plug for the charger. Bike came with no charge and wrong plug. Ordered sept4th. This is a XL meta power 29 essential. Ride notes to follow, after I goto bestbuy buy a plug converter and get a charge.
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The avocado "greenish" color looks even better than on the commencal site ?
The composite pedals are also looking quite usable, maybe something for a dirt bike build ?

My SX will arrive next week, it's in Toulouse right now. Ordered last sunday.
 
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First impressions: EP8 is sweet. More power than e8000 and much more sensitive to torque demands when pedaling. QUIET!

What about the dreaded rattle? Yes I can hear it, but only if I pay attention to it. With the hills around here I am mostly concentrating on not dying so the rattle aint nuthin.

So far not a fan of the XT shifters. My 2019 Meta Power race had SRAM GX and my Santa Cruz SRAM XO. I like those better. The XT's feel cheap and plasticy to me. May upgrade.

I have never had a fox float x2 so the adjustments seem a bit daunting for now.

Sweet looking bike for sure

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Also note that if you get the W101 error code it means the speed sensor it not working and the fix is to firmly attach the small cables under the motor cover. Apparently there has been several calls about this in the last few days.
 
Water bottle bolts are dumb. Too short for most cages I assume. I had to break out the hacksaw to size some to fit.

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my meta sx was recalled by Commencal yesterday, as they forgot to mount an interface bracket between engine and frame. apparently it is the only my meta Power shipped with this problem. Shimano-requested upgrade that Commencal does on all bikes before shipping them. I've to ship the bike to Andorra wait 2 weeks. I'm really pissed off. I am happy for Commencal's seriousness for having warned me and made themselves available to solve any problem.
 
Hi all!
Will get my meta sx on tuesday. I ordered the rise version with the zeb fork with factory compression setting. Do you think the upgrade to charger rc2.1 is worth it or should i stick with the settings rockshox think is the best? Has anyone experience with factory compression settings?
 
beneseleve said:
Hi all!
Will get my meta sx on tuesday. I ordered the rise version with the zeb fork with factory compression setting. Do you think the upgrade to charger rc2.1 is worth it or should i stick with the settings rockshox think is the best? Has anyone experience with factory compression settings?
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I would see how you get on with it first, still a lot of adjustment on that fork and will be fine for most people - give it a few months and you can always swap it out later.
 
R120 said:
I would see how you get on with it first, still a lot of adjustment on that fork and will be fine for most people - give it a few months and you can always swap it out later.
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As R120 says, give it some time, if you do decide to change just time it in when the forks are due a service.
 
R120 said:
I would see how you get on with it first, still a lot of adjustment on that fork and will be fine for most people - give it a few months and you can always swap it out later.
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Ok thanks i ll give it a try.

Duggan said:
As R120 says, give it some time, if you do decide to change just time it in when the forks are due a service.
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Thats a good tip?
 
robat said:
That's how preferences vary ?
I like my suspension plush only at the beginning of the travel and a very responsive mid travel to "push" against. I also prefer a progressive spring curve to increased (hs) compression damping, to keep the bike more lively.
But I think you would need to remove far more than one spacer, to really feel a difference in the mid stoke.
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agreed. just fyi there was only one spacer installed from the factory.
after a few more rides I find the e-bike factory tune on the float X2 to be noticeably stiffer from the float X2 I have on my nomad v3, feels like they've really stiffened up the shim stacks. I'm all the way out on LSR to try to get the rear end to pop/spring off jumps, feels almost too stuck to the ground sort of like a V10 DH bike.
same for the fox 38, even all the way out on LSR it's still quite damped relative to all the way out on other fox forks I've had on acoustics.
 
beneseleve said:
Ok thanks i ll give it a try.


Thats a good tip?
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If you have Rock Shox suspension parts, you definitely should consider to do a small service while they're new, since RS is known for really bad lubrication standards...

shenchman said:
agreed. just fyi there was only one spacer installed from the factory.
after a few more rides I find the e-bike factory tune on the float X2 to be noticeably stiffer from the float X2 I have on my nomad v3, feels like they've really stiffened up the shim stacks. I'm all the way out on LSR to try to get the rear end to pop/spring off jumps, feels almost too stuck to the ground sort of like a V10 DH bike.
same for the fox 38, even all the way out on LSR it's still quite damped relative to all the way out on other fox forks I've had on acoustics.
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Thanks for the info ?
I ordered the sx ride model with the deluxe on it, but have a 230x65 X2 that I plan to install.
Have you checked the HSR setting? Since HSR and LSR correlate. Maybe you can open it up a little and get the LSR you want. The only other way to get a quicker LSR (besides reshimming) I can think of is to put more pressure in the air chamber (as long your SAG is in an usable range).
 
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built the bike up yesterday and changed saddle, pedals and grips need to swap the brake over before riding...the blue/green colour looks way more green like the grips in real life, the camera makes it look more blue
 
robat said:
If you have Rock Shox suspension parts, you definitely should consider to do a small service while they're new, since RS is known for really bad lubrication standards...
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I agreed, always do lower legs oil change when it's new. Works always better
 
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built the bike up yesterday and changed saddle, pedals and grips need to swap the brake over before riding...the blue/green colour looks way more green like the grips in real life, the camera makes it look more blue
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shenchman said:
agreed. just fyi there was only one spacer installed from the factory.
after a few more rides I find the e-bike factory tune on the float X2 to be noticeably stiffer from the float X2 I have on my nomad v3, feels like they've really stiffened up the shim stacks. I'm all the way out on LSR to try to get the rear end to pop/spring off jumps, feels almost too stuck to the ground sort of like a V10 DH bike.
same for the fox 38, even all the way out on LSR it's still quite damped relative to all the way out on other fox forks I've had on acoustics.
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Yes too stiff and slow. Looks like it will take a lot of tweaking.
 
anyone else getting chain rub on the chain guide when in the top 2 cogs = lowest/easiest gears?
I'm on a Meta Power 29 size L Signature, XT drivetrain + E13 E*spec 160mm crank

chain guide doesn't seem to be adjustable in/out. I pulled mine off & have yet to drop a chain...
 
shenchman said:
anyone else getting chain rub on the chain guide when in the top 2 cogs = lowest/easiest gears?
I'm on a Meta Power 29 size L Signature, XT drivetrain + E13 E*spec 160mm crank

chain guide doesn't seem to be adjustable in/out. I pulled mine off & have yet to drop a chain...
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Yes, same issue :(
 
Went for a longer ride today - all in Trail mode (except couple short bursts of Boost). 27 miles and 5k elevation, had 1 bar left at the end. Did not feel I was working much harder in Trail mode than in Boost. Shimano's claim "Set it and forget it" for new Trail mode seems to be mostly true.
Another testament to motor quietness on climbs - had few people surprised that I was coming up behind them: "didn't even hear you" (y)
On other hand found a weak spot: on flatter trails where you need to pedal to keep the speed, hitting 20mph wall was super annoying, especially when pedaling into the jumps. I wish the limit was closer to 25mph.

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shenchman said:
anyone else getting chain rub on the chain guide when in the top 2 cogs = lowest/easiest gears?
I'm on a Meta Power 29 size L Signature, XT drivetrain + E13 E*spec 160mm crank

chain guide doesn't seem to be adjustable in/out. I pulled mine off & have yet to drop a chain...
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Same here. I called and they said to "raise it as high as it will go", but its already there
 
Unclear on the shock instructions. It says to close the valves all the way by going "all the way clockwise" which pulls them out, then "back them out" counter clockwise x amount of clicks to adjust. Its already all the way backed out. wtf am I not getting. HSC only has 10 click total lock to lock yet instructions says up to 20 clicks?

Apparently this latest version of the shock is different
 
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melmark said:
Unclear on the shock instructions. It says to close the valves all the way by going "all the way clockwise" which pulls them out, then "back them out" counter clockwise x amount of clicks to adjust. Its already all the way backed out. wtf am I not getting. HSC only has 10 click total lock to lock yet instructions says up to 20 clicks?
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make sure you are reading the 2021 float x2 tuning instructions, it's quite different from 2020 & prior. reduced clicks etc.
clicker adjustments are always relative to fully closed = damped = slow = fully clockwise, then count clicks as you back it out.
with the float x2 ebike tune on the signature at least it's so damped to begin with i'd start basically all the way out on everything actually & dial in the rebound if you feel like it's too bouncy.
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