Bike industry is very frustrating

[Hunter86]

This is more of rant. I am trying to back into riding. I have gotten excited and start looking for a bike. There is so many bikes out there that have announced new bikes but when they will be available is very questionable in the United states. I work in sales and if we did the same thing that these bike companies are doing about a moving these bikes and you can't buy them until after the season ends is crazy to me. I know there is a supply chain issues but maybe not every brand should do the avinox motor. I know there is Bosch out there. Even Norco put the lesser of the Bosch motors I. The aluminum frame bikes which I think was kind of dumb. I have also heard the service on an avinox motor bike is going to be a nightmare because they can't even keep up with demand. I also wish that more brands just did frames instead of these crappy builds where you want to switch out the components. I am done with my rant for the day. Have a good day and have fun riding!

 

[MeatBike]

Is the TLDR that you do or don't want an Avinox bike?

 

[Hunter86]

Is the TLDR that you do or don't want an Avinox bike?

No I would like an avinox but there is nothing available in the United states. If you are lucky to find one it is still a month or two to get one. End of July maybe September which in my state you might get maybe 2 months of riding. It just has been a very frustrating experience. Amflow annouced begining of April still not one amflow in the US. There is multiple brands that say there coming but still a month of 2 before launch. The only real thing in my price range is levo and I am not sold on that bike.

 

[Suns_PSD]

The bikes are all amazing now and you'll likely need local support.

My advice would be to buy something local and available right now.

It's an echo chamber around here that makes it seem like you'd only be happy with a very specific motor system, and it's just not true.

GL

 

[Hunter86]

The bikes are all amazing now and you'll likely need local support.

My advice would be to buy something local and available right now.

It's an echo chamber around here that makes it seem like you'd only be happy with a very specific motor system, and it's just not true.

GL

I agree with that. It is mostly my mind. I have just made myself upset and frustrated with this whole thing. Even bike shops here keep telling me to wait but I would rather ride now. Reading all the reviews keeps pointing to only get the avinox but maybe Bosch cx. But just frustrated. If I had more money I could get a forbidden tomorrow but the base is like 8800 which is crazy.

 

[MeatBike]

As above, I'd just find a bike locally. The motor is only part of the bike/experience and shouldn't be the only thing to focus on.

Nothing wrong with Bosch, or even Shimano (I love my "old Tech" EP801 equipped 2025 Orbea Rise LT).

FFIW I originally wanted a Levo 4 too but the alloy models were much heavier than I wanted.

"Reviewers" will always try and sell you on the latest and greatest thing. They're not paying for their own bikes though, and there's always something newer and better around the corner

 

[Hunter86]

As above, I'd just find a bike locally. The motor is only part of the bike/experience and shouldn't be the only thing to focus on.

Nothing wrong with Bosch, or even Shimano (I love my "old Tech" EP801 equipped 2025 Orbea Rise LT).

FFIW I originally wanted a Levo 4 too but the alloy models were much heavier than I wanted.

"Reviewers" will always try and sell you on the latest and greatest thing. They're not paying for their own bikes though, and there's always something newer and better around the corner

True. I rode a ep8 and wasn't a fan of it but the other thing is old tech and back to bike shop but an ep8 is the same cost as some of the new bikes coming out this year. It is just hard.

 

[Suns_PSD]

I agree with that. It is mostly my mind. I have just made myself upset and frustrated with this whole thing. Even bike shops here keep telling me to wait but I would rather ride now. Reading all the reviews keeps pointing to only get the avinox but maybe Bosch cx. But just frustrated. If I had more money I could get a forbidden tomorrow but the base is like 8800 which is crazy.

Eh, not sure if you are in the US or not, but in the US hop on Upway, they include a 1 year warranty on the entire bike including the motor system and save 50%, and get started on your first e-bike like 2 weekends from now.

The Bosch motors are in fact the most reliable with service available everywhere, so that's what I choose and would be my recommendation. That said, there are all totally fine and have been for years.

Look, no matter what you buy or for how much, you'll struggle to sell it for $3,500 in 2 years, I promise you.

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[Powerslider]

I don’t think it’s “dumb” that lower-end trims have a lower-end motor. They’re simply trying to create a product around a specific price point. Something has to give.

Have you looked into Propain? They let you choose the motor among other options.

 

[Mteam]

Get a bike that suits your needs with the bosch gen 5 motor at a great discount and ride the hell out of it for 4 years, then buy whatever else is available at that time.

The motor a bike uses is not the be all and end all of a an emtb, the bosch is a great system, especially if you can get it at a discount.

 

[Trek-Rail-eBike]

Get a bike that suits your needs with the bosch gen 5 motor at a great discount and ride the hell out of it for 4 years, then buy whatever else is available at that time.

The motor a bike uses is not the be all and end all of a an emtb, the bosch is a great system, especially if you can get it at a discount.

^ This is exactly what I was going to post

 

[Yotaismygame]

I don’t think it’s “dumb” that lower-end trims have a lower-end motor. They’re simply trying to create a product around a specific price point. Something has to give.

Have you looked into Propain? They let you choose the motor among other options.

I love my new Ekano 3. But they are way booked out right now.

OP: this is just how it works. Demand is very high right now. Even something like the new Transition TR11 Dh bike. Sold out instantly. People having to wait a few months to get one. If you wanted a bike right now, look at the Transition regulator cx and Santa Cruz Bullit. Both really good bikes. Heck if we're talking Bosch bikes the 2025 Orbea Wild is also a killer bike.

 

[RustyIron]

I work in sales and if we did the same thing that these bike companies are doing about a moving these bikes and you can't buy them until after the season ends is crazy to me.

Come on over. I'll introduce you at any number of bike stores and we can have you on a good bike in an hour. If you're patient and can wait a week, we can get you on a truly top-tier bike with all the bells and whistles. It's all pretty easy. If you want next year's model, you might have to wait until next year.

 

[Hunter86]

^ This is exactly what I was going to post

Thank you

 

[Powerslider]

When I wonder why Avinox motors are in backorder, I have to assume it's related to some unforeseen challenge. No way all these bike companies using the motor system saw this coming. What I find suspect is how there seems to be zero murmur about the source of the delay. Surely Avinox is providing an explanation to bike companies. How is this information not being leaked?

 

[Fangs2k]

Demand is very high right now.

As well as inventory is quite low…?

When I enquired about the new Avinox Wild LT with my local big bike shop they said they weren’t getting many at all this year, and it would realistically be Sep/Oct before they had any more stock.

The options they offered were to pay for an order and they’d try their best to get one as quickly as possible (or jump the pre-order queue?!) or wait until next year.

‘Sold out’ doesn’t mean very much unless you know how many they’ve sold, and no bike shop is telling you that nor the manufacturer.

I just think the number of Avinox systems has been spread quite thin worldwide, that would explain the wait times (unless the market for £7-10k EMTBs really has exploded), but full disclaimer, that’s just my wild assed guess!

 

[Hunter86]

Come on over. I'll introduce you at any number of bike stores and we can have you on a good bike in an hour. If you're patient and can wait a week, we can get you on a truly top-tier bike with all the bells and whistles. It's all pretty easy. If you want next year's model, you might have to wait until next year.

What bike shop? A few buy me still have 2023' for over 6k. Which I don't want to buy a 3 year old bike for still premium pricing.

 

[Hunter86]

As well as inventory is quite low…?

When I enquired about the new Avinox Wild LT with my local big bike shop they said they weren’t getting many at all this year, and it would realistically be Sep/Oct before they had any more stock.

The options they offered were to pay for an order and they’d try their best to get one as quickly as possible (or jump the pre-order queue?!) or wait until next year.

‘Sold out’ doesn’t mean very much unless you know how many they’ve sold, and no bike shop is telling you that nor the manufacturer.

I just think the number of Avinox systems has been spread quite thin worldwide, that would explain the wait times (unless the market for £7-10k EMTBs really has exploded), but full disclaimer, that’s just my wild assed guess!

For sure. I think orbea doesn't know what they are doing. I was looking at a bike that is coming but they said it had the m2s motor and when I got home that it is m2 which would be fine if both the bike shop and orbea knew what they were talking about. They said that the m2 motor gets up to 150nm in boost mode which I don't think either of them know what they are doing...lol

 

[Hunter86]

As well as inventory is quite low…?

When I enquired about the new Avinox Wild LT with my local big bike shop they said they weren’t getting many at all this year, and it would realistically be Sep/Oct before they had any more stock.

The options they offered were to pay for an order and they’d try their best to get one as quickly as possible (or jump the pre-order queue?!) or wait until next year.

‘Sold out’ doesn’t mean very much unless you know how many they’ve sold, and no bike shop is telling you that nor the manufacturer.

I just think the number of Avinox systems has been spread quite thin worldwide, that would explain the wait times (unless the market for £7-10k EMTBs really has exploded), but full disclaimer, that’s just my wild assed guess!

I am learning. If they announce plan on next year. I have one bike company that I put money down on for a build but they have changed the date multiple times is that is becoming no existence.

 

[Hunter86]

When I wonder why Avinox motors are in backorder, I have to assume it's related to some unforeseen challenge. No way all these bike companies using the motor system saw this coming. What I find suspect is how there seems to be zero murmur about the source of the delay. Surely Avinox is providing an explanation to bike companies. How is this information not being leaked?

That is a good question. I have teewing dealer told me first of July now he is saying middle to late July so I wonder what is next.

 

[Powerslider]

I just think the number of Avinox systems has been spread quite thin worldwide, that would explain the wait times (unless the market for £7-10k EMTBs really has exploded), but full disclaimer, that’s just my wild assed guess!

I find it impossible to believe all these bike manufacturers foresaw the long backorder of such a critical component. They and their dealer base are unable to capitalize on the sales opportunities while Avinox is failing to deliver. Further-who knows how much capital in frames and components is sitting in warehouses? Has to be financially stressing the organizations. Likely even secondary component manufacturers (like drivetrain and suspension) are feeling the impact.

With the impact so broad, I find it odd nobody has any clue why Avinox can't deliver motor systems. The most plausible explanation to me is a Tier 1 supplier to Avinox failed somehow. Maybe a part within the motors was found to be out of specification and had to be remanufactured?

 

[Brawwp]

The used bike market is where it’s at for buyers right now. Maybe consider that, get some riding homies to try whatever bikes/motors they have. Find out exactly what you want. Everything is good right now. If it were me and I didn’t have a bike and had a limited budget (not saying you do), I’d get a killer deal on a used Bosch or spesh and wait for the mgu bikes next year and be ready for preorder.

 

[Yotaismygame]

I find it impossible to believe all these bike manufacturers foresaw the long backorder of such a critical component. They and their dealer base are unable to capitalize on the sales opportunities while Avinox is failing to deliver. Further-who knows how much capital in frames and components is sitting in warehouses? Has to be financially stressing the organizations. Likely even secondary component manufacturers (like drivetrain and suspension) are feeling the impact.

With the impact so broad, I find it odd nobody has any clue why Avinox can't deliver motor systems.

Demand is high for Avinox bikes period. Propain sold out of their first batch of frames in a couple weeks. Also when all these new bikes hit at least in the US, spring riding season was just getting good. I'm sure things will relax come fall.

 

[Yotaismygame]

The used bike market is where it’s at for buyers right now. Maybe consider that, get some riding homies to try whatever bikes/motors they have. Find out exactly what you want. Everything is good right now. If it were me and I didn’t have a bike and had a limited budget (not saying you do), I’d get a killer deal on a used Bosch or spesh and wait for the mgu bikes next year and be ready for preorder.

True. I sold my Marin Shimano powered bike for super cheap. And it had some decent parts on it. Def awesome for a young rider trying to get his feet wet in the Ebike game. Which is exactly what I did.

 

[Powerslider]

Demand is high for Avinox bikes period. Propain sold out of their first batch of frames in a couple weeks. Also when all these new bikes hit at least in the US, spring riding season was just getting good. I'm sure things will relax come fall.

To believe it's simply the volume of sales that is causing the backorder, requires we believe every bike manufacturer failed to forecast demand accurately. That's simply not a plausible explanation.

 

[Yotaismygame]

To believe it's simply the volume of sales that is causing the backorder, requires we believe every bike manufacturer failed to forecast demand accurately. That's simply not a plausible explanation.

Well in the US there is not a lot of options for Avinox powered bikes. Lets not forget it takes time to assemble these bikes as well. Frames come in on boats. That takes a considerable amount of time. I'm sure no company out there wanted to try and predict future sales volume during a time like this. Over estimating could end a company pretty quick.

 

[Suns_PSD]

BTW OP, I know where you can buy an in-stock L Wild Avinox right now today, for a fair price as well. Message me if you are ready to buy.

 

[Powerslider]

Well in the US there is not a lot of options for Avinox powered bikes. Lets not forget it takes time to assemble these bikes as well. Frames come in on boats. That takes a considerable amount of time. I'm sure no company out there wanted to try and predict future sales volume during a time like this. Over estimating could end a company pretty quick.

You're not respecting the impact from under forecasting. I'm repeating myself, but I find it nearly impossible to believe every manufacturer investing in Avinox powered products simultaneously failed to forecast demand accurately. People literally have careers making accurate predictions, yet everyone got it so wrong that they can't deliver bikes in the selling season? I can't believe that.

Avinox surely isn't delivering what they promised. Not at all saying it's intentional. Actually I'm saying the opposite. Something went wrong.

 

[Hunter86]

The used bike market is where it’s at for buyers right now. Maybe consider that, get some riding homies to try whatever bikes/motors they have. Find out exactly what you want. Everything is good right now. If it were me and I didn’t have a bike and had a limited budget (not saying you do), I’d get a killer deal on a used Bosch or spesh and wait for the mgu bikes next year and be ready for preorder.

BTW OP, I know where you can buy an in-stock L Wild Avinox right now today, for a fair price as well. Message me if you are ready to buy.

Sent you a message

 

[Powerslider]

BTW OP, I know where you can buy an in-stock L Wild Avinox right now today, for a fair price as well. Message me if you are ready to buy.

Considering the lack of supply; a fair price is at least MSRP. I can see a "market adjustment" or "dealer markup" being justified just like is commonplace in the automotive industry when demand exceeds supply. I'd at least reprimand (in not outright terminate) a salesperson of mine who discounted a hot product with questionable resupply. Such a move is a solid indication the person is a bad salesperson. A good salesperson would sell the product in the barn at retail, and perhaps offer a discount to wait for a future shipment.