martin_m_bo
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still no vaild proof that there will be any new Motor next year only rumors. Only blabla from a yt guy
Avinox M2 SL
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En Europe, nous savons tous que le nouveau moteur Avinox arrivera début 2026. L'équipe commerciale l'a communiqué au concessionnaire.
All bikes with Avinox that will start selling in April (like Commencal) will have the new motors.The M2 will come on lower end alloy bikes and the updated M1 on higher end models.
This is the same thing my local Amflow dealer told me, he also said there’s some new bikes coming in the spring with the Avinox motor from some of the bigger brands.
Avonix and Bosch G5 are compelling motors for a host of reasons and would be the logical choice for the most part going forward currently. With that being said, if Avonix cures the rattle and if Bosch develops a slim battery I would be hard pressed to choose and would only consider a brand with a motor that has the above qualities.
Yes ,many more brands.Rumors talk about Mondraker,Orbea,Norco ... And others
Highland Wheels
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Bigger battery coming as well that'll be backwards compatible
Yep…the rattle is what is keeping me from an Avinox bike right now. The rattle from my old EP8 drove me bonkers enough to sell the bike after 6 months
I was going back and forth between the Yeti LTe and the Nicolai S18 but my mate said to wait, he was saying some really nice Avinox stuff is coming along with the rattle free M2 motor.
sethimus
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John_likes_bikes
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I want to talk about the M17 motor, spy shot here...
more brands than you'd think are members - canyon, scott, specialized, giant etc who previously said they want max 750w. Whether that is still true in 6months time who knows.
sethimus
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Highland Wheels
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My Avinox is silent compared to my EP8Yep…the rattle is what is keeping me from an Avinox bike right now. The rattle from my old EP8 drove me bonkers enough to sell the bike after 6 months
It's also a lot quieter than my mates AMflow motor
John_likes_bikes
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Em dahes say otherwise—who cares, you brough it up—anyway...
FWIW the specs of the Commencal Avinox mirror what's available today. Obvioulsy they could change.
FWIW the specs of the Commencal Avinox mirror what's available today. Obvioulsy they could change.
Mine is dead silent, no rattle at all.Yep…the rattle is what is keeping me from an Avinox bike right now. The rattle from my old EP8 drove me bonkers enough to sell the bike after 6 months
sethimus
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that’s really great, but offtopic
Albertocsoares
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Yesterday I saw a video on a friend’s phone showing the new M2 prototype. The Avinow app’s configuration screen showed 1300 W and 130 Nm. I asked him for the video, but he told me it is still under development and that he could not share it with me.
I heard similar specs but for the new m1. The m2 should have similar specs as the current m1.
I believe 130nm 1000w + is really pushing the limit for an emtb as I believe you can have too much power.
The current motor is more than enough and I dont really get why DJI are pushing for so much power.
Rando_12345
E*POWAH Master
Someone mentioned a new battery, any leaks on that? Overall capacity or energy density would be interesting as I imagine they will want to be ahead of the rest.
Highland Wheels
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Bigger capacity than current batteries but same size
Nobody's gonna need 12sp cassettes with those numbers!
It's a bit absurd to think a peak 1300w motor can still fit into the 250w nominal category though.
John_likes_bikes
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No reason the current Avinox can't do higher torque numbers with a simple OTA upgrade like before. Any battery over 800 in the same size is going to be heavier and honestly, it's all unnecessary. Just make it all lighter, not bigger and stronger.
They could, but they would make less money doing that so they likely won't.
sethimus
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more stored energy doesn't weigh more... do you understand how batteries work?
hint: same number of cells, more storage per cell = bigger battery in the same package
Yes energy density sounds like the direction if it will be a higher capacity battery of a similar size.
Speaking of being ahead... I am surprised that the Avonix system is based on 36 volts while Specialized has gone to ~51 volts. I also notice that most of the yard tools I buy these day are well above 36 v for power hungry stuff like mowers and chain saws. The obvious advantages are as follows:
Lower Current for the Same Power
Less heat in wires and motor
Less stress on connectors and MOSFETs
Thinner/lighter wiring possible
Increased efficiency - Lower current allows for fewer losses.
As for the Motor and Controller. Higher voltage systems run cooler at the same power level. Better sustained power (less thermal throttling). More reliable controllers and longer component lifespan. Most motor controllers are current-limited. If a controller limits current to 25 A, then at 36 V 900 W max at 48 V 1200 W max at 60 V 1500 W max. So higher voltage can increase available peak power.
It also allows to accept higher wattage chargers without increasing charging current, reducing heating and stress, allowing faster charging.
So as noted there are many advantages of higher voltage in regards to
Higher efficiency
Less heat
More sustained and peak power
Lighter wiring and better overall performance