Authorities are waking up...

[Vision_Tim]

I find it humorous how much of our trail access is dictated in many instances by the horse people. There are many more people riding bikes but the horse people hold the power. Possibly the best examples of this is in Marin County CA. They don't care about motors, they just want to gate keep the trails for themselves. I don't think motors make this worse because there is already limited access. Sad.

 

[RustyMTB]

If my city says no mountain biking, E or otherwise. I simply leave……..
End of story.

Tell us you're single without telling us you're single.

 

[Pizzman]

Tell us you're single without telling us you're single.

Married 25 years
3 kids
1 kid just graduated from Montana State
1 kid is the lead baker at her cousins bakery (she’s 18) and enrolled at Business and Patisserie at Johnson and Wales in Providence RI.
1 kid is joining the Merchant Marines
I’ll move anywhere there are mountains. My wife will go anywhere I go.
We have moved 17 times in 25 years.
AZ, CA,OR,WA,MT

Careful with assumptions
Makes an ass of u and mptions
Cheers

 

[RustyMTB]

Love it. British guy: Piss off, you don't know me. American guy: Here's my full CV & two decades of movements, Linkedin profile attached & a picture of the wife & kids.

 

[Petrex]

YES ! When will regulators wake up and realise there is a beast out there that is completely unregulated -
No speed limits, no license, no tax, no registration - Go anywhere and tear up the tracks and trails.

3x the rated power of an Avinox 746W Vs 250W
8x the peak power - 11,000W Vs 1,500W

Why aren't they clamping down on this ?

Ban horses NOW !

 

[Joecrow]

3x the rated power of an Avinox 746W Vs 250W
8x the peak power - 11,000W Vs 1,500W

Don't forget the huge piles of sh*t they scatter round the countryside!

 

[RustyMTB]

Be careful. The Horse people are easily startled but they will soon be back and in greater numbers.

 

[Fangs2k]

YES ! When will regulators wake up and realise there is a beast out there that is completely unregulated -
No speed limits, no license, no tax, no registration - Go anywhere and tear up the tracks and trails.

3x the rated power of an Avinox 746W Vs 250W
8x the peak power - 11,000W Vs 1,500W

Why aren't they clamping down on this ?

Ban horses NOW !

You really don’t want the horse lobby coming after you, with their firm thighs, tight jackets and riding crops!

Oh wait, maybe you do?!

 

[Gila Man]

You really don’t want the horse lobby coming after you, with their firm thighs, tight jackets and riding crops!

Oh wait, maybe you do?!

Nope! Horse girls, nurses and redheads are crazy (and I’m a former ginger). Nope, nope, nope…

 

[Fangs2k]

Nope! Horse girls, nurses and redheads are crazy (and I’m a former ginger). Nope, nope, nope…

Now you tell me! I married a horsey type….

 

[Vision_Tim]

Now you tell me! I married a horsey type….

Why the long face?

 

[Gila Man]

Now you tell me! I married a horsey type….

We're going to miss you when "it" happens.

 

[sethimus]

Undeniable win when HIPAA protects Americans’ personal health information. You can’t be even asked for proof of a disability. At least that’s my layman’s understanding of the law.

just wear the red hat, way easier. everybody will believe it!

 

[Powerslider]

just wear the red hat, way easier. everybody will believe it!

Comments like that only display ignorance and gullibility.

 

[Bluesrider]

As you can see from the post below from today. Going down your anti-tampering path. There are many Motors where tampering is considered easy. So you are going to get every EMTB outlawed in the UK.

You are not helping. You need to let this go.

The changes made to my Shimano ep801 motor bumped the power and wattage to a standard ep801 motor, nothing above and beyond that. That means a max 600w and 85nm

 

[Astro66]

The changes made to my Shimano ep801 motor bumped the power and wattage to a standard ep801 motor, nothing above and beyond that. That means a max 600w and 85nm

Yes, I answered that already. Within the same screen where you made those changes, was the ability to change region.

 

[pagheca]

If it moves
Humans will make it faster

If it’s speed restricted
A human will de-restrict

If it’s easy
A human will complicate

If we say not allowed
Humans will wait till we aren’t looking

There’s a problem.
Unfortunately it’s not fixable without enough tall bridges and short piers.

Humans will fuck it all up. It’s the only thing we have a perfect record for. Fucking shit up.

I see a time, where you have to move to the area that allows, whatever human hobbies you take part in.
Leaving behind the areas we think we love, to rot. Ran into the ground by reactive, vanilla, law making, walking hemmoroids.

If my city says no mountain biking, E or otherwise. I simply leave……..
End of story.

Popular opinion, I see, but it's contrary to reality of things.

Regulations exist everywhere to protect the public interest. They're not always easy to write, enforce, or adapt to new situations, but that doesn't mean they don't work.

Let me note that most of our daily behavior is shaped by laws and regulations, often without us even noticing. Since a few decades you wear a seat belt when driving, you don't smoke in the office (something that was once perfectly normal). You don't drive at 180 km/h on the motorway every time you get behind the wheel, and you drive to the right (the left in some countries). This is just because of regulations enforcement.

Of course, some people ignore the rules, some people cause harm, and others are fined or incarcerated as a consequence of that. But exceptions don't invalidate the existence of the rules. This happen continuously, every day, every time of the day without people realizing.

My point was simply that adapting regulations to new technologies or new situations is technically and legally difficult, and that it has always been that way. That's very different from claiming that regulations are useless or cannot be enforced.

 

[DanDeride]

This is what we’ve had to deal with. Apparently there are 8 in the area. None of the riders have a licence and most are under 16.
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The authorities are trying to catch them but it’s not easy. The Surron’s are fast and very capable. We had a few issues last year on our fire roads …but it’s getting worse this year. Spraying rocks at hikers, weaving while in traffic, etc.

We can only take pics and report.
Class1 EMTB’s only on this mountain.

The modern biker gang!

 

[pagheca]

I suggest reading this article about the so-called Lime leg. This exemplifies exactly what I wrote below, about the confusion generated by this new category of "bicycle" and the vacuum of regulations it caused: A Londra hanno dato un nome agli infortuni sulle biciclette in sharing

This independently from what you think. The problem is that we use a single category summarizing all e-bikes/pedelec/bikes together, while they are now very different from each other.

Reflecting on the issue, I believe that the current situation of e-bikes is rather unusual compared to the past.

In fact, there are several aspects that do not align with the world of existing vehicles:

1. high speeds on descents, low speeds on climbs
2. both on-road and off-road use, on dedicated routes and on paths shared with other categories of users (pedestrians or motor vehicles)
3. traditional absence, for historical reasons, of insurance, license, age limits, and registration plates, dating back to when these were mainly used for commuting and at low speeds
4. use both as recreational vehicles and as urban transport
5. only very recently the addition of a motor

All this perhaps calls for a different legal approach, in order to preserve the simplicity and affordability of use, as well as the increasing adoption of these vehicles, without compromising safety and the environment. I have no idea how this could be achieved, but I also don’t think it can simply be left to chance, as some would prefer.

Perhaps more categories should be created, or access restricted, or… I really don’t know! But, unlike how some people see it, I believe there is no simple solution that satisfies all constraints while also avoiding turning e-bikes into an additional hazard.