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Arm pump/hand fatigue help?

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Does anyone suffer with arm pump or hand fatigue? What did you do to remedy it?
I suffer with it really bad, it absolutely kills my runs.

Cheers in advance
 
Never had the issue until breaking my hand in a crash. Issue started after returning from the injury. What has helped ALOT is thicker diameter grips. Currently use the Ergon GA Fat. Helped drastically. But a buddy has Deity grips, the they are super soft. Help absorb vibrations. I’m gonna try the Deity Megattack, see how they work for me
 
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I suffer this also.

I recently changed my front rotor from a 200 to the best 220 I could get and replaced my rear 180 with a 200 thinking that I would get the same braking force with less lever force.

There was no difference

I then spoke to the aus sram brake guy and he claimed rotor size will have no bearing on hand pump. The brake system will a bit but also not much.

I then spoke to the Santa Cruz mechanic at hardline and asked how to reduce hand pump and his response was ride more

Well I don’t have the time to ride more.

So my next plan is to install a mass damper in the head tube.

I also have a very light enduro bike at 15.4kg it’s aluminum and 170 travel front and rear. This is with exo+ front and dd rear tires. I weighed it for a flight a couple of months ago.

I am also thinking of putting a mass damper on the seat tube to also make my enduro flatten out a bit more like my 25.5 kg gen 3 levo with 170mm 38s
 
I suffer this also.

I recently changed my front rotor from a 200 to the best 220 I could get and replaced my rear 180 with a 200 thinking that I would get the same braking force with less lever force.

There was no difference

I then spoke to the aus sram brake guy and he claimed rotor size will have no bearing on hand pump. The brake system will a bit but also not much.

I then spoke to the Santa Cruz mechanic at hardline and asked how to reduce hand pump and his response was ride more

Well I don’t have the time to ride more.

So my next plan is to install a mass damper in the head tube.

I also have a very light enduro bike at 15.4kg it’s aluminum and 170 travel front and rear. This is with exo+ front and dd rear tires. I weighed it for a flight a couple of months ago.

I am also thinking of putting a mass damper on the seat tube to also make my enduro flatten out a bit more like my 25.5 kg gen 3 levo with 170mm 38s
 
Good advice here. I would suggest bottoms-up Kettle Bell press for wrist stability. Just as important as grip strength. If it’s good enough for Aaron Gwin…
I have arthritis in my thumbs from trail building so I have gone for all the things.
Revgrips
One Up 50mm rise bar
Hope V4 on big rotors
Also added Rimpact TMD to my analogue bike on a Whistler trip last year and I thought it made a significant improvement.
For me it’s all about marginal gains which do add up
 
Had similar issue, numbness in right pinky finger. Higher rise bars, shorter bars and better lever positions helped a lot. I would prefer higher stack height, but the fork is cut quite short from the factory..as for the grips I use Peaty's Monarch, they are fine.
 
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Does anyone suffer with arm pump or hand fatigue? What did you do to remedy it?
I suffer with it really bad, it absolutely kills my runs.

Cheers in advance
I've been riding mtb since 1983, and dirt moto before that. So my hands have significant myofacititis. If everything else recommended on this page does not work, then try Fasst handlebars. They work for me. I ride nothing but blue to black rocky singletrack, here in Colorado. I'm 73 and ride 5 days a week on Santa Cuz Bullit and Heckler SL. The Fasst handlebars fixed my pain.

I also converted to Sram electronic shifting and dropper. But that probably is overkill for most.
 
I was running a 20 mm rise era carb
with Ergon GDH grips and after just 5 km I had terrible arm/handpump.
I then switched to a 30 mm Title Reform carbon bar with the new SQlab 70X 2.0 size L grips....super comfortable. Even after 30 km, no issues at all.
It’s much more fun to ride now and feels like the perfect compromise between up and downhill.
 
  1. Compliant bars (I prefer Vibrocore to OneUp; I've also got some Fasst Flexx that I'll try soon.
Like I said before, I really do like the Fasst Flexx. Be aware that if you experiment with the elastomers, the bolt material is a bit soft (though that may have changed) so be careful not to strip the heads. Did you get the 8 degree sweep, or the 12?
 
Does anyone suffer with arm pump or hand fatigue? What did you do to remedy it?
I suffer with it really bad, it absolutely kills my runs.

Cheers in advance
If none of these suggestions others have made, work well for you, you may want to look into trying kinesiology tape. I was hit by a drunk driver a few years ago & unfortunately, some of my injuries are permanent. My right leg is 25% down graded in all physical reality. Permanent nerve damage caused the muscles to partially atrophy, causing me no end of issues, including weakness & uncontrolled cramping on the trail when I push too hard.
Kinesiology tape, properly applied, (you need to see a professional therapist for proper application technique), can make a world of difference. Is it sometimes a PITA? Yeah, but I'm not going to allow some drunk drivers bad decisions keep me off the trails, so I tape up & ride like hell!
Like another poster said, sometimes surgery is necessary to alleviate the condition. This is a great firsthand way to see if you can get away without having to go to the extreme of surgery.
Stay safe, upright & on two wheels!
 
Like I said before, I really do like the Fasst Flexx. Be aware that if you experiment with the elastomers, the bolt material is a bit soft (though that may have changed) so be careful not to strip the heads. Did you get the 8 degree sweep, or the 12?
I got them second hand so the material is probably what you had, and it does seem a bit soft. Not sure what sweep they are but I'm guessing 12 as they are more 'swept' than my usual bars. The instructions do warn you not to overtighten. I should probably use a torque wrench.
 
There is a lot of good information in this thread already but I will add two more thing that has made the most significant difference for me regarding arm pump/hand fatigue.

  1. Angle brake levers at 23-27 degrees. I prefer 25 degrees
  2. Adjust brake levers bite point to be parallel to the handlebar
 
I got them second hand so the material is probably what you had, and it does seem a bit soft. Not sure what sweep they are but I'm guessing 12 as they are more 'swept' than my usual bars. The instructions do warn you not to overtighten. I should probably use a torque wrench.
As I recall, it's not a torque spec, just tighten until it "feels" as though it bottoms out, then stop tightening. That may be in an obscure part of the instructions. I think that's how I stripped one.

I looked it up. A search says:
Fasst Flexx says to tighten the elastomer bolt until it bottoms out, not to a torque spec. That is the correct procedure.
 
Does anyone suffer with arm pump or hand fatigue? What did you do to remedy it?
I suffer with it really bad, it absolutely kills my runs.

Cheers in advance
Try acupuncture with an orthopedic or sports medicine acupuncture. It is usually due to muscle, tendons and fascia in the forearms that are to tight. 'Gua Sha' works great. Its a deep myofascia release with a flat jade stone massaged over the forearm. I've helped many people avoid surgery for carpel tunnel, and wrist, arm, and finger pain. Try a daily forearm stretch too. Could be tension in the shoulders, do some shoulder shrugs, rolls before riding. And maybe 'death grip' on the handle bars - loosen your grip and float your hands on the grips.
 
Start by raising your bars so that you sit more upright thus reducing loading on your arms and hands.
For the avoidance of doubt the reason I recommend doing this ^^^ is because in the event that it does reduce arm pump and hand fatigue (as it probably will) then other things can be tried. Otherwise the likelihood is that sequentially trying multiple other smaller adjustments will not individually solve the arm pump and hand fatigue issue resulting in being unable to figure out what works and what does not.

In other words, firstly establish a working baseline and experiment from that baseline.
 
Before starting with new handlebars/grips/etc, you should check what is causing that!

It can be a health/constrain issue.
Try to check if you have Drs specialized on that arm/wrist and explain what's happening.

You can also try:
- not gripping to hard
- elevate your handlebar and adjust brake levers

But, please find a specialized Orthopedic Dr and check that out.
Not gripping so hard really helped me. Higher bars might help if you get pump when seated. I doubt that’s the case.
Grip with the palm and fingers not the thumbs.
I achieved a lighter grip by using Renthal Extra Tacky Traction grips.
Later I moved to their push on version.
Both are best gloveless. A tacky grip means less grip is needed.
Also get a grip exerciser.
Aim 50-60% of your max
Isometric work
Compress the gripper and hold for 1 minute.
Now the other hand then repeat.
2 mins on each hand daily.
Steel clubs (like steel baseball bats) are good for grip strength too.
 
First of all, you should consider changing the bar and getting more rise.

- If you have a 35 mm stem, then the Oneup carbon bar is one of the best.
- If it's 31.8, change to carbon one, e.g. Renthal 31.8 carbon with 30 or 40 rise dampens well.

But don't forget to strengthen your arms. Just hanging will give you a lot more strength and grip.
This is what I am doing. I ordered the 35mm carbon one up bar with a 35mm rise on a 42mm stem, on a 760mm width. Current bar setup is a alloy 31.8 stem, 38mm reach, 25mm rise and 780mm with. I didn’t want to cut the alloy bar down and loose compliance.
I am going to give that a try on my bikes for the wife and I.
 
Not gripping so hard really helped me. Higher bars might help if you get pump when seated. I doubt that’s the case.
Grip with the palm and fingers not the thumbs.
I achieved a lighter grip by using Renthal Extra Tacky Traction grips.
Later I moved to their push on version.
Both are best gloveless. A tacky grip means less grip is needed.
Also get a grip exerciser.
Aim 50-60% of your max
Isometric work
Compress the gripper and hold for 1 minute.
Now the other hand then repeat.
2 mins on each hand daily.
Steel clubs (like steel baseball bats) are good for grip strength too.
The idea behind high rise bars, is minimize the weight applied throught the hands.
Meaning Highrise to something like +70mm.

I would really look into what is causing. Can be something simple, that can be solved through rehab, or surgery.
 
There’s a lot you can do to get rid of arm pump and hand fatigue. First off, a compliant handlebar, like a One Up carbon bar will help a lot and run the highest version they make. That’ll help get some weight off your hands. You won’t lose front end grip, that’s a myth. ODI makes some grips with D30 in them. They do help. The best thing you can do is to learn to ride with your weight off your hands and ride with your weight through your feet. Learn to grip the grips so lightly that they bang around inside your hands. To learn to ride through your feet, start riding with just the tips of 2 fingers on each grip. You’ll get to a point where you’ll be able to ride pretty fast with just the tips of your fingers. It’ll teach you to keep your weight off your hands. Eventually, it’ll become second nature to keep the weight off your hands and to put more weight through your feet. You really shouldn’t be doing anything with your hands except breaking, shifting and operating your seat post. To operate your controls, you’re just using your fingertips. All your turning should be done with your feet, your hips and body english. Also flexibility exercises will help. And I mean flexibility from your shoulders down to your hands. Strength exercises will make the problem worse. But, using a gyro ball in each hand, 4 times a day for 5 minutes at a time does wonders. It’s really good if you are having pain in your arms. It flosses your muscles, ligaments, and tendons. It pumps out bad stuff and pumps good stuff back into your arms.
 
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I peeled the rubber off of my lock on grips and slid wolf tooth fat foam grips over them. Made a world of difference for me, my hands don't go numb anymore.

May not work for someone with tiny lady hands though as they do turn out to be a bit thick. They make 3 different thicknesses of foam grips as far as I know.

D
 
Revgrips resolved arm pump for me immediately but more recently the introduction of some Hope Chameleon bars with a 35mm rise has made it even more comfortable for my wrists and arms because of the back sweep, although not cheap, well worth the expense, the Revgrips cost me just over £100 and the bars were nearly £200 but they were a Christmas present from my Daughter, I still would've bought the bars due the back sweep, the gorgeous colour shift colour and the 35mm rise of course 😁
 
So we all mostly ride with our index finger on the brake lever, leaving you holding on the the bars with just 3 fingers of each hand. In my experience, bringing the brake levers closer to the bar really helped. It meant that when im braking hard, I have more of my hand on the bars.

Hope that helps.
 
So we all mostly ride with our index finger on the brake lever, leaving you holding on the the bars with just 3 fingers of each hand. In my experience, bringing the brake levers closer to the bar really helped. It meant that when im braking hard, I have more of my hand on the bars.

Hope that helps.
Yeah, I do that too. The problem is that brakes are not designed to be used with the lever that close to the bar, so they become weak and spongey in that position, and/or the finger is at risk of slipping off, and/or they're just uncomfortable to use. After spending a few grand trying out several high-end (and low-end) brakes, I've just bought some Hope EVO GR4s with the optional Control levers, which are designed to be run closer to the bar. Hayes also do a short-reach version of the Dominion A4 that might be worth trying.
 
Revgrips resolved arm pump for me immediately but more recently the introduction of some Hope Chameleon bars with a 35mm rise has made it even more comfortable for my wrists and arms because of the back sweep, although not cheap, well worth the expense, the Revgrips cost me just over £100 and the bars were nearly £200 but they were a Christmas present from my Daughter, I still would've bought the bars due the back sweep, the gorgeous colour shift colour and the 35mm rise of course 😁
Yeah, I think more sweep is often "more" better. When I put bars with 12 degree back sweep on, I did also put on a slightly longer stem to maintain the basic geometry and it worked well. Years ago, I kayaked and the paddle caused bumps on the inside of the thumb joints, like a really thick callous. Once I got an ergonomic, bent shaft paddle, it really eased that pressure and the callouses went away. Back-sweep does much the same thing, I think.
 
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