Nah it makes sense, I can see what you are saying - to be fair, I grabbed Marco and Buck for the interview last minute, they were not prepped beforehand at all. I did it on that day due to the bad weather ( ride was on that day was called off) because it was absolutely chucking it down in Madeira, so I tried to make the most of the time I had out there!
Tbf
Sounds ridiculous but could the reason be it was a G4 review and not a G4 versus Amflow comparison review?
I am pretty sure this is because the new Levo has no back up methods of operating the bike outside of the controller. There is no longer any buttons on the TCU itself so if it had a wireless remote you would be up shit's creek if it died. Bosch and DJI bikes can still be operated without their wireless remotes.
I was in a conversation on yt over this video with someone who claimed 99% of the people who came into his shop wanted a side loading battery
. Yeah i don't believe him.This and storage point were the bottom of my list, and yet they go on about it as they have re invented the wheel. lol.I was in a conversation on yt over this video with someone who claimed 99% of the people who came into his shop wanted a side loading battery
At least an easy to replace battery is useful. Like, I wasn't fired up about it, but it is nice to have. Like I started keeping my battery indoors so it's not cooking in the summer. I might even start taking it out when the bike is on my rack so there's less weight to bounce around.I was in a conversation on yt over this video with someone who claimed 99% of the people who came into his shop wanted a side loading battery
I don’t if it’s true, but the shop who supplied my AMflow said that AMflow rep had told them that Spec had been try to get the DJI Motor and Battery system but so far no Joy.
If true I imagine Specialized wanted some autonomy on the system (their own firmware, app, etc.) and also some sort of exclusivity.
I agree, there is some Chi Gov tech behind the DJI system, it’s way more advanced than any other integration set up I have ridden.
That’s the bike I was told repeatedly that this new Gen 4 was going to be. Okay no mention of the DJI motor, but light weight frame based around SL new motor and Battery. And what did they give us a “ Pack Horse” lol
All Chinese technology companies is required to give the authorities full access to the entire company if they ask for it, and it is not a conspiracy theory, but facts that China is open about, so therefore the communist country China allows someone to become a multi-billionaire who is a little different from a communist country.
Dji motor in a slightly updated ksl chassis? Yes please
@Rob Rides EMTB Can I just say, the videography for this was fantastic with the shots of the Levo in the rain. Very creative.
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Interesting data. It would be great to also see Garmin data — if you had it connected to the bikes, you could check cadence and rider power input in watts. Strava combined with heart rate, can also provide a very accurate insight into relative effort, which would be useful for comparison.
The pedaling time is 10 minutes shorter on the Levo 4, probably due to the fact that I went slightly faster with it. Disappointing? I don't know, I'd say that with this new approach to the power of new e-bike motors, they've chosen to prioritize fun over fuel consumption. Indeed, I must say that the new Levo seemed more fun to me, especially on accelerations and technical climbs, as well as being less tiring. The price to pay is, obviously, increased fuel consumption. The fact remains that the new bike made a great impression on me overall; perhaps by adjusting the assist settings more carefully, you can achieve a longer range, but it's certainly not enough to change the rules of the game. From this perspective, the differences with the Gen 3 aren't striking. Yesterday I went for a ride with a friend who bought the amflow and, to myself, I thought: there's nothing different that these beefy bikes can do compared to mine except the possibility of riding forest roads at full speed, which doesn't interest me in the slightest...Interesting data. It would be great to also see Garmin data — if you had it connected to the bikes, you could check cadence and rider power input in watts. Strava combined with heart rate, can also provide a very accurate insight into relative effort, which would be useful for comparison.
From what I see, the Gen 4 is a bit of a disappointment, considering the ride time was almost an hour longer maybe that’s why it felt like you were struggling less on the Gen 4
Do I see that you are in the Aosta area, how is the riding there? Curious if you had a chance to ride the Amflow and if you had any thoughts on the the way it rode.
I've been blown away with the range on my gen4. Nothing scientific, but at least for me riding in Dynamic Microtune now rather than Turbo on my gen3, I'm getting more range per watt consumed. Clearly I'm using more leg power this way, but I like how it feels and how it has the power when I need it.Interesting data. It would be great to also see Garmin data — if you had it connected to the bikes, you could check cadence and rider power input in watts. Strava combined with heart rate, can also provide a very accurate insight into relative effort, which would be useful for comparison.
From what I see, the Gen 4 is a bit of a disappointment, considering the ride time was almost an hour longer maybe that’s why it felt like you were struggling less on the Gen 4
The Aosta Valley is a wonderful place for mountain biking, with generally challenging trails, both in terms of elevation gain and technical difficulty. There's no shortage of high-altitude riding opportunities, and a look at my Strava routes will give you a good idea of the possibilities this region has to offer. As for amflow, I'll try it soon.
It’s definitely a more stable bike due to its extra weight, yes get that. But not for me I’m afraid , I like a bike that’s lively and agile that you can feel what it’s doing.
How can Strava routes be accessed. I am headed that way in a month or so after Lenzerheide area riding. It would be great to find some gps routes for the area.
Just use a laptop and at top click on maps, then locate the area of interest and zoom in, click the box for ebike trails only and only those segments will show up on heat map
Robikinkela: you aren't making a fair comparison, not that I am sure without cracking open the source code could you. But regardless setting the gen3 at xx/100 and the gen4 at xx/100 isn't a fair comparison. The second (XX/100) indicates what % of motor power you have access to. And since the gen4 has a more powerful motor its always going to use more juice, thats the fun factor you speak to on the gen4. Try a setting like 25/75 on the gen 4 and you will see the mileage get closer, or if you really want to suffer ride eco in 25/25 on the hills.
Or maybe we Gen 4 users have to step up and buy that range extender or 2nd battery. This is what the brain wizards at Spesh probably wants us to do. (re: the quick change side door)
