I didn't realise it was a Gen 5 chat, I was responding to the question, my bad. But in saying that, Yeti - Gen 5, Oso - Gen 5, Atherton - M2S, Wild - Gen 5 and cheekily I said Bullit V3 (what I ride) with a Shitmano EP8. I love the VVP and I'm not into their (SC) new 4 Bar. I would buy the old...