On the Pivot Shuttle AMP’d sold in the US you can scroll to the Settings page and set the speed limit to 20 or 28 mph. If you select 28 mph the screen displays a warning that this changes the bike from Class 1 to Class 3 and asks you to confirm your choice. When the bike is turned off the max assist speed returns to the default 20 mph Class 1 setting. Clever.Hi
I’ve got my Levos and Scott 930 bikes chipped for the family , so we can do 28 mph if required. we ride as you much described. Do these avinox bikes come with this power set up as standard? Great fun On these bikes,
Who actually wants more than 85nm and 400%
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thongraegu
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I dont mind as much power as possible, I normally use the ECO mode on my bosch but on some very steep climbs even at 100Nm Im at my max fitness and max pulse trying to get up so gimme gimme gimme.
Brands who started the race (for power) are lagging behind. End of story, till the next race (miniaturization).
A race they will lose if they fall in the power race trap.
M1 power and refinement, in a soda-can format/size, with an ultra slim battery ? Insta buy !
and to reply to the biased question, i'd say power (M1 is enough, imho) is a safety tool, as long as we are speed limited.
Goin from a levo gen3 to an amflow, climbing black trails is more fun, allow more technical work / variation. And the generous torque secures failed attempts (i.e. no injury)
A race they will lose if they fall in the power race trap.
M1 power and refinement, in a soda-can format/size, with an ultra slim battery ? Insta buy !
and to reply to the biased question, i'd say power (M1 is enough, imho) is a safety tool, as long as we are speed limited.
Goin from a levo gen3 to an amflow, climbing black trails is more fun, allow more technical work / variation. And the generous torque secures failed attempts (i.e. no injury)
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Amber Valley Guy
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I'm happy with 85NM /600 watts if I had a battery that'll keep up..... give me some extra range (I'm on a 630w battery), but I'll gladly take 100NM+ and 750w+ and a battery that'll offer more range. Seems to me it's the motor manufacturers offering more NM and watts that's pushing the battery tech forward. I want 100 mile epic adventures with an overnight stop......on one battery (or bat plus range extender), but maybe that's just me. Sure, the latest buzzwords since Amflow launched a year or so back was rapid charging in an hour, sounds bloody brilliant, but where are the network of charging points....oh that's right, they don't exist, except maybe, at a bike park, then errrm what's the bloody point?
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Is there anyone over 100kg who is perfectly happy with their 85nm unit?
I'm in the market for my first e-bike, and there are half price bikes around with the shimano ep801 unit. Or for about a 50% premium I could get a Bosch Gen 5 equipped bike (M2S is out of price range right now). Would I regret buying an ep801 bike in 2026?
I'm in the market for my first e-bike, and there are half price bikes around with the shimano ep801 unit. Or for about a 50% premium I could get a Bosch Gen 5 equipped bike (M2S is out of price range right now). Would I regret buying an ep801 bike in 2026?
Burner
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So are these bikes available in the uk?
Or do they change the speck for the uk?
Yes the Amp’d is available in the UK, but it runs different software which restricts you to 15mph. They still feel comically fast.
Burner
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pagheca
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To be honest I never tried an ebike other than my Trek Powerfly 85 Nm / 25 kmh max. So, I can't say how actually feels riding a more powerful e-MTB. Probably is really amazing! And that's why I voted option 2.
However, if I wanted a lot of power without the burden of insurance, plate, license, etc. I would practice enduro motorbike, or motocross, not e-MTB.
However, if I wanted a lot of power without the burden of insurance, plate, license, etc. I would practice enduro motorbike, or motocross, not e-MTB.
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I only weight 75 kg. But around me, many heavier buddies (90-100 kg) who went from levo gen3 or bosch CX gen 4 to some avinox ebikes, are more than happy.
I'm around 95kg and bought a EP801 equipped Rise LT in January. Couldn't be happier, although I mostly ride solo. Might be a different story if I had a bunch on Amflow/Bosch Gen 5 mates.
The whole discussion of ..oh, no one needs 150Nm/1500w is disproven by the market. If only a small percentage of riders want/need that much power...why then are almost all manufacturers racing to add Avinox motors?
If there is no weight penalty for the extra power....why wouldn't you want it available ? The whole notion that having 1500 watts is some kind of tipping point that once breached will bring down the force of government upon the industry is rubbish. How can the government know that 1500w bikes are creating some unspecified problems? Is there some organised group of people complaining, or is this whole discussion preemptive?
If the silly speed limits remain, as if you can't be a menase to other trail users on ANY bike (with or without a motor), having 250-500-1500w makes no difference. Just because you can climb a hill 5 mph faster with more power doesn't make you a more irresponsible trail user.
I reject the idea that power/speed limits should be enacted to protect against the (supposed) abuses of the least skilled & least responsible riders forcing the rest of us to suffer because of their behavior.
If there is no weight penalty for the extra power....why wouldn't you want it available ? The whole notion that having 1500 watts is some kind of tipping point that once breached will bring down the force of government upon the industry is rubbish. How can the government know that 1500w bikes are creating some unspecified problems? Is there some organised group of people complaining, or is this whole discussion preemptive?
If the silly speed limits remain, as if you can't be a menase to other trail users on ANY bike (with or without a motor), having 250-500-1500w makes no difference. Just because you can climb a hill 5 mph faster with more power doesn't make you a more irresponsible trail user.
I reject the idea that power/speed limits should be enacted to protect against the (supposed) abuses of the least skilled & least responsible riders forcing the rest of us to suffer because of their behavior.
zaskarmark
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Same here. Trail etiquette is something that needs to be shared & shared. If we are to be the example to the rest of trail users, then let's make it a good example. Dismount for horses, slow & give ample time for others to react to your hail & approach, help others with technical or mechanical problems... in essence, don't be a top grade a-hole who doesn't care about anyone but themselves.
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JP-NZ
E*POWAH Elite World Champion
Yes. 105kg here with Gen 4 Bosch 85nm.
Perfectly happy with that as I can still climb faster than my older riding buddies on 120nm Gen 5 and avinox M1s.
I’m very bike fit & only 19% body fat & in my mid 40’s so probably not the target thought haha.
Hey, thanks for reply. Good to know you’re perfectly happy with 85nm.
Sounds like it suits you, in that you aren’t in a situation where you’re riding buddies regularly drop you on climbs - I wonder if someone in that situation would feel differently.
I only ride solo, I just had such a great time on the 120nm demo bike - I don’t know if riding a 85nm bike would feel ‘less fun’.
Out of curiosity, have you gone for a decent ride on a 120 or 150nm bike? Wondering if that experience would make you want one
JP-NZ
E*POWAH Elite World Champion
I rode my friends 120nm Bosch today although only up a short climb. It’s more powerful sure but not enough to make me want to spend the money on one over what I already have.
Mario Antony
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Everytime I see so many talking about Avinox, I remember I never seen one Amflow on the trails, the only Avinox bike I've seen was a Unno.
I don't have any issue with more power, but being dropped while ridding ebikes, is just too lame to argue.
I only have a derestricted Bosch CX4 (so only 85Nm/600W), but if ride with slower folks, I just use my detuned modes - Tour & Sport
This way, everyone gets the same challenge uphill.
For all those "competitive" riders, that need to finish first in every hill, I'd gladly deliver a trophy at the start, and proclaim KOM/QOM/Cunt?
It's a weekend ride, if you want to show anything, JUST go out and Race a proper Race.
Otherwise, you'll just be the "King of the (your)Street"
Is it fun to climb fast fireroads?
If it is, ok. Case closed.
BTW
If you use FULL POWER on all fire roads, your battery won't last too much. A bit like rabbits matting.
"Is it good...wasn't it?"
PS: Avinox is what? 1500W? Like 2hp? Ahahhahahaha
This is just hilarious... middle age men and old folks, talking about how good is 2hp compared to 1hp! Ahahahaahhaha!!!!
F....this is really hilarious!
I don't have any issue with more power, but being dropped while ridding ebikes, is just too lame to argue.
I only have a derestricted Bosch CX4 (so only 85Nm/600W), but if ride with slower folks, I just use my detuned modes - Tour & Sport
This way, everyone gets the same challenge uphill.
For all those "competitive" riders, that need to finish first in every hill, I'd gladly deliver a trophy at the start, and proclaim KOM/QOM/Cunt?
It's a weekend ride, if you want to show anything, JUST go out and Race a proper Race.
Otherwise, you'll just be the "King of the (your)Street"
Is it fun to climb fast fireroads?
If it is, ok. Case closed.
BTW
If you use FULL POWER on all fire roads, your battery won't last too much. A bit like rabbits matting.
"Is it good...wasn't it?"
PS: Avinox is what? 1500W? Like 2hp? Ahahhahahaha
This is just hilarious... middle age men and old folks, talking about how good is 2hp compared to 1hp! Ahahahaahhaha!!!!
F....this is really hilarious!
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I have more than 100kg. I am happy with 500wh battery and 70Nm yamaha sport motor. Giant Stance e+2 2021 year. 62 kilometers and 1400m climb is enough for me.
Chris095
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Try riding up a steep, technical trail with an Avinox m2s motor. You’ll really notice the difference compared to an 85 Nm motor.
I promise you: if you love technical uphills, you’ll love the m2s motor too.
I’m coming from an EP8 motor, and I can tell you one thing: it’s not just better—it’s a whole new level.
If you don’t love steep, technical uphills: stick with your 85 Nm motor.
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Mario Antony
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I do technical stuff, and although I know MO'Torque would be nice, I sincerelly don't require it to overcome present features, since I see more limitations on:
- Grip (when it's really dry or muddy)
- Bike Geomtery (but won't buy an ebike with Long CS...)
- Overun too short, even with 64km/h, I find Bosch Overun too short
My legs put around 800W for a ~ +1 minute, adding 600W, is just more than enough
Meaning, I don't feel Power is my limitation.
Some Really Hard Techy Climb, that I need to switch to flats, to make it, because once the foot is out, I really don't have the space/distance, nor the willingness to engage again (fall would be dramatic).
Chris095
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The Avinox has excellent traction control, which makes a real difference.
But in my opinion, what makes the biggest difference is the speed at which you can ride up technical sections: you simply power over steps and sections with less grip with much more momentum. I now breeze over tricky sections where I used to get stuck, using plenty of momentum. And the higher speed provides a huge amount of stability.
You do need to practise this first, though, otherwise you’ll be overwhelmed. You have to play around with the engine settings and always keep your hand on the rear brake.
As I said, it’s a whole new level. I, for one, can now tackle sections that simply weren’t possible for me before.
But in my opinion, what makes the biggest difference is the speed at which you can ride up technical sections: you simply power over steps and sections with less grip with much more momentum. I now breeze over tricky sections where I used to get stuck, using plenty of momentum. And the higher speed provides a huge amount of stability.
You do need to practise this first, though, otherwise you’ll be overwhelmed. You have to play around with the engine settings and always keep your hand on the rear brake.
As I said, it’s a whole new level. I, for one, can now tackle sections that simply weren’t possible for me before.
The person who started this thread is getting lost in numbers.
Until you ride an Avinox equipped bike (M1 or M2) you really don’t understand what it’s all about. Spend some time in the saddle in a power mode that works. More than half of the Avinox success is HOW it delivers the power not how much peak power it has. Avinox simply has the tuning dialed in, which allows the user to make the motor power delivery just about perfect. I have Eco and Auto tuned for the trails I ride and I never even touch the other modes.
I have ridden the Bosch CX and the EP8 and there is simply no comparison.
Until you ride an Avinox equipped bike (M1 or M2) you really don’t understand what it’s all about. Spend some time in the saddle in a power mode that works. More than half of the Avinox success is HOW it delivers the power not how much peak power it has. Avinox simply has the tuning dialed in, which allows the user to make the motor power delivery just about perfect. I have Eco and Auto tuned for the trails I ride and I never even touch the other modes.
I have ridden the Bosch CX and the EP8 and there is simply no comparison.
Mario Antony
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IF, you like turning the pedals, and of you go...
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how many Nm is it set at for Auto?
and are you finding steep tech completely different (much easier) than with the other motors? (like other people are)
DirkWisely
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But if your current bike was worn out, and you could choose the more powerful one for the same price as a less powerful one, all else being equal, which would you buy?
JP-NZ
E*POWAH Elite World Champion
I left the watts at the default of 850, and lowered the default Nm from 105 down to 85Nm. I also set the over-run to the middle setting. If I had the skill (which I don’t) I could damn near go straight up a rock or hill in auto, yet for tame stuff auto is super smooth until you put some of your own watts into the effort. Avinox really nailed it when it comes to tuning.
mtrain1969
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I'm sure I will like more power when I upgrade from my Bosch CX4 but I would prefer same power, lighter bike if I had my choice.
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