Avinox M2S: 1,500W, 150Nm, and a PR Offensive

Plenty of M1 owners said the same thing on forums last year: the motor was already more than they needed, and what they actually wanted was a lighter version that rode more like a normal bike.
It's cool that you are so responsible, but you are probably also a fully formed middle aged man to afford those toys. I didn't really get to that responsible point myself until I hit about 38. Before that I thought the roads were my personal racetrack and treated them as such. Once going to jail for going 147 in a 35, and I didn't stop for the police for another 15 years after that. That's just the reality of the typical young male brain. So saying 'just be responsible' doesn't really work.

Also, my own F150 is E85 converted and making 600 rwhp & rwtq, but I actually think that allowing vehicles to mechanically travel over the speed limit is just dumb.
 
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I wouldn't want a 600w battery the 700 on my Amflow px is to small for my rides. I've managed 5500 ft of climbing with the motor power turned down and having to use the echo setting a bit, finished with 3% left.I need the range extender but will that ever come out?
My old Gen 2 Bosch has a 500Wh battery. My average rides are 25 to 30 miles with 3 to 4000ft of ascent, some over 30% and I’ve never returned with less than 30% battery. I’m 79.
 
if that was the case, then I would be in more danger on my 650B as it was a faster bike. Hills aside, like they say power is nothing without control, and that’s were DJI is by far the class leader. You can see as to why some bike makers and motor manufacturers have kicked of . DJI and the likes of AMflow have just killed their business models overnight. I think it’s brilliant I really do, some bike manufacturers just kicked out 2nd division bikes just expecting existing customers to keep handing over their debit cards, they couldn’t have been more wrong. I see AMflow are predicting 500k sales of one of their bikes, having ridden it I can well believe it.
IT seems to me like people are missing the point of this thread.

DJI issued this statement, that's what we should be discussing.

The problem is that whether you like higher power or not, this statement IS going to end up as evidence presented by someone when they try to ban or further limit EMTB's

Everyone on this forum may well be the most skilled careful rider in existence, but sooner or later someone is going to get hit, or scared by an EMTB (it might not even be a DJI motored bike) and they are going to cite this statement (and other manufacturers press releases) as proof that the motor manufacturers are flaunting the regs.

We saw all ebikes heavily penalised in New Jersey because an ILLEGAL ebike was ridden ILLEGALLY and it caught the imagination of the public, so now LEGAL bikes got very heavily regulated.

IF you can't see how a major manufacturer admitting (and advocating for) their motors can happily churn out twice the legal power limit is going to cause regulatory problems down the line then you are being very shortsighted.

Riders who ride in areas with already very limited trail access will probably feel this first. But when whole states or countries or economic unions decide that the regulations need to be tightened up it seems likely we will ALL suffer.

I am all for DJI lobbying for a more considered definition of max power and max speed but trying to push an illegal product against the regs is likely to be a gift to all those who just want ebikes banned.
 
I find nothing in the Amflow marketing guff linked in the original article that causes me issue. They appear to be playing the safety, inclusivity and versatility cards to ‘excuse’ the big numbers, that’s fine by me. My PX carbon should be with me in a few weeks. Having only tested a beat up rental emtb hardtail a few years back, I’m excited to have a play on something more refined.

I’m more concerned a bot is creating posts and starting petty arguments 🤣
 
A few posters talk about bans. They ain’t so bad.

It’s been illegal to ride in any of our forests here (Northern Ireland) since before mtb existed. That didn’t stop us. We built our own trails and scene and now it’s thriving - we even have a few official trail centres but the lifeblood is illegal. An illegal bike on an illegal trail…so what?
 
Please read this in the spirit it is meant, as an example:

I love toys, and have a car with 670hp and a truck with 720hp, both from the factory.

I don't drive around with my foot on the floor, in danger of killing people at every turn. If I want to get rowdy and use them the way they were designed, I go off of public roads. That's called responsibility. But most people buy the same vehicles because of their spec sheet... commonly known as measurbators. I thank God everyday that the regulators here haven't decided to outlaw high-horsepower vehicles. What an ignorant, heavy handed approach that would be.

Same with Avinox-powered bikes. As an adult--the big differentiator--I can slow and yield to other riders and obstacles. When it's safe, say up a fire road, I can use more power and get to destination faster. It's called personal responsibility. I have come down trails on analog bikes only to be met by hikers...and have to yield and slow.

Avinox puts out the spec sheet because it sells bikes...oh boy, does it sell bikes. But that's only a small part of mountain biking, which we can probably all agree. Honestly, I spent much more time and effort dialing in my suspension on my new bike than I did learning all the "gee-whiz" motor tech.

Sorry to sound like I'm ranting or preaching. The point I'm trying to make is let the manufacturers build their products, let consumers drive the market, and let riders be responsible riding. I don't want or need speed limits on my bike ride. What's next...no jumping zones? Don't use your brakes because it tears up the trails?

It is bicycles, not launching rockets. Regulators regulate. It's the HOA mentality. Ride responsibly.

On a personal note, I'm much more excited about the bike itself and the new geometry, than by a new motor.

As a performance motorcycle/car nut, and a firm believer that rules are made for other people, I agree with you. There is a key difference however, and that is the fact that this sport, cannot exist without trails. When you break the law, or do something reckless in your car or motorcycle, you get slapped on the wrist and deal with it individually. You, nor the greater you all, don't lose access to the roads.

In this sport, we are lumped together as a user group and our sport requires that our user group has access. It means that the measuring stick isn't the 80% that are responsible, it's the 20% that are the lowest common denominator.

That being said... we're all out there on the trails. What is the percentage of other user groups you encounter, that is happy to see you? Is it 100%? likely not and on the flip side, is it 20%? also likely not. It's somewhere in the middle between 45-55% Pushing at the fringes and turning that into a strong majority, creates issues that threaten access and thus, our ability to do the thing that we're passionate about.

Do I think that there is a ton of danger to an overly powerful ebike? Not really, you can only go so fast up a single track and up a fire road. But it is the type of thing that puts other user groups off, and it's hard to defend getting buzzed as a hiker by countless morons at 12-18 mph up hills.

When is the last time anyone did any hiking or trail running in a shared space with mountain bikes? It is at times, very not fun, especially not fun and pretty nerve racking if you have your family with you.
 
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A few posters talk about bans. They ain’t so bad.

It’s been illegal to ride in any of our forests here (Northern Ireland) since before mtb existed. That didn’t stop us. We built our own trails and scene and now it’s thriving - we even have a few official trail centres but the lifeblood is illegal. An illegal bike on an illegal trail…so what?
Ireland is a tiny market, you can piggy back on what's available in the rest of the world. If the US and the EU ban the motor or change the regs then specs will change. Probably for the worse.
 
It's cool that you are so responsible, but you are probably also a fully formed middle aged man to afford those toys. I didn't really get to that responsible point myself until I hit about 38. Before that I thought the roads were my personal racetrack and treated them as such. Once going to jail for going 147 in a 35, and I didn't stop for the police for another 15 years after that. That's just the reality of the typical young male brain. So saying 'just be responsible' doesn't really work.

Also, my own F150 is E85 converted and making 600 rwhp & rwtq, but I actually think that allowing vehicles to mechanically travel over the speed limit is just dumb.
I know this thread isn't about driving...it's about personal responsibility with high-powered ebikes.

I don't believe in a "nanny" state. There are regulators who fought for speed limiters on cars, the idea being why does anyone need to exceed the speed limit?

I don't really agree with the idea that the typical young male brain is uncontrollable ...it's about personal responsibility and personal discipline. In my own case, if I couldn't apply discipline in my early 20's, I'd have killed myself in military jets. Ignoring rules, regulations, or common sense is still a choice. Hopefully adulthood brings along that common sense that keeps "young men" from killing themselves, or worse yet other people, because they couldn't be bothered to make good decisions. Maybe that's actually a parental issue. It's stuff for another thread.

Blasting elbow-to-elbow past other bike riders, whether uphill or downhill, is going to cause friction somewhere for someone. Mowing down pedestrians will affect the entire sport. The media loves to amplify a single incident to kill support for ebikes. But I don't think it's Avinox's fault. To paraphrase a well-worn euphemism...bikes don't hurt people, people hurt people.
 
Ireland is a tiny market, you can piggy back on what's available in the rest of the world. If the US and the EU ban the motor or change the regs then specs will change. Probably for the worse
Are the US (land of the free?) and EU trying to ban the DJI motor? I’m so new to the wonderful world of emtb I don’t have a bike yet, and certainly not clued up on current regs. I assumed that because it was available to purchase it was legal, didn’t even think to check (but just did) and I’m in the clear according to UK law. Phew!
 
Are the US (land of the free?) and EU trying to ban the DJI motor? I’m so new to the wonderful world of emtb I don’t have a bike yet, and certainly not clued up on current regs. I assumed that because it was available to purchase it was legal, didn’t even think to check (but just did) and I’m in the clear according to UK law. Phew!
No. Just a bunch of old grumps complaining in here. Buy the Avinox, highly recommend it after actually owning Bosch, brose, and Avinox bikes. What you’re seeing here is talk from people who have never ridden one trying to convince themselves that what they own is all anybody would ever need. The same people frothing over power updates and probably also riding derestricted. Haters gonna hate.
 
No. Just a bunch of old grumps complaining in here. Buy the Avinox, highly recommend it after actually owning Bosch, brose, and Avinox bikes. What you’re seeing here is talk from people who have never ridden one trying to convince themselves that what they own is all anybody would ever need. The same people frothing over power updates and probably also riding derestricted. Haters gonna hate.

You don’t know any of that, to be fair, but it probably fits the description of some contributions.

People should try whatever bike they’re interested in, if that’s an Avinox then so be it, but buying on the back of somebody who states it’s the right bike for them so must be for everybody else is stupid.

People need to buy the right bike for themselves.
 
I know this thread isn't about driving...it's about personal responsibility with high-powered ebikes.

I don't believe in a "nanny" state. There are regulators who fought for speed limiters on cars, the idea being why does anyone need to exceed the speed limit?

I don't really agree with the idea that the typical young male brain is uncontrollable ...it's about personal responsibility and personal discipline. In my own case, if I couldn't apply discipline in my early 20's, I'd have killed myself in military jets. Ignoring rules, regulations, or common sense is still a choice. Hopefully adulthood brings along that common sense that keeps "young men" from killing themselves, or worse yet other people, because they couldn't be bothered to make good decisions. Maybe that's actually a parental issue. It's stuff for another thread.

Blasting elbow-to-elbow past other bike riders, whether uphill or downhill, is going to cause friction somewhere for someone. Mowing down pedestrians will affect the entire sport. The media loves to amplify a single incident to kill support for ebikes. But I don't think it's Avinox's fault. To paraphrase a well-worn euphemism...bikes don't hurt people, people hurt people.

OT: Why not make it perfectly legal to carry cocaine in your pocket? I mean, you're responsible and know not to actually use it, you just don't want the 'nanny state' telling you that you can't have it.

My point being is that if it's illegal to use it, why do you need to possess it? Yet it's illegal as all get out to double the speed limit, yet every single vehicle can do it. It's just not logical to me. Heck, they could even make them GPS based and give you full power at the racetrack, something I've done a lot of.

As you can imagine, I'm lots of fun at parties. ;)
 
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You don’t know any of that, to be fair, but it probably fits the description of some contributions.

People should try whatever bike they’re interested in, if that’s an Avinox then so be it, but buying on the back of somebody who states it’s the right bike for them so must be for everybody else is stupid.

People need to buy the right bike for themselves.
Exactly right. The motor is a big part of the emtb you’re buying as well and should absolutely factor into your buying decision. Right now all motors have great bike options. So you have a bunch of people here that are anti-Avinox that have never ridden one and convincing others to not even consider one (maybe not directly but as you can see from that guy that posted, indirectly, thinking it is going to be banned). That’s not right….

I and many other Avinox owners have experience and personally owned many of the other motors available. Good news is that they are all good in their own way. I’d never tell somebody to not buy a Bosch or brose bike. I think they work fine. I’ve never trashed Bosch or brose and I never will. Avinox is way better imo though. And that is not because of the power. Limit it to the same exact power I’ll still choose an Avinox bike all day. Everybody is different though and I think it’s more important to listen to people who have experience on said motor vs some spec sheet haters. If you ride one then come on here to say why you didn’t like it, I respect that. Otherwise shut up, respectfully 😂.
 
The first thing I do when I go ride is put mine into class 3 mode. Depending on the trail I then ride about a mile down a paved road or 4 miles down a gravel road to the trail heads. The speed limit on both of those roads is 35mph but most cars go faster. My 28mph max is nothing.

Many of the trails on public land around here got approved by being classified as multi-use. The old women with too much free time would protest a MTB-only trail system but are happy with it if they are allowed to walk them once or twice with their off-leash dogs. With the exception of several clearly marked downhill-only trails, it's entirely possible that you can come up on a hiker, horse or loose dog. We ride accordingly and it has nothing to do with what's underneath us.

Other than those public roads to get to where I'm going, the only clue that I'm on an emtb is when I politely pass an analogue bike with a more fit rider on an uphill stretch. Other than that, the "e" component of my emtb is irrelevant.

The small number of people acting like twats will act like twats on any bike. They are the problem, not the bike. Punishing the rest of us with legitimate use cases and adequate impulse control is madness.
Twats are the problem! Rule#1 Don't be a dick.
 
You should absolutely buy whatever bike and ebike drive unit configuration you want. People can have strong opinions about the implications of the avinox system, but it would be pretty tough right now to not argue that the avinox is the most technologically advanced and the smart choice to spend your money on.

I won't talk smack about the avinox drive units... I will however talk smack about DJI's business practices and what the implications are to the bike industry and the long term mtb consumer. Amflow however, I will talk smack about those bikes as they are a mediocre bike that best serves those that are purchasing based off of the drive unit being a higher priority then the bicycle as a system.

Long story short, buy an avinox system bike, but for the love of god, chose the bicycle that fits your needs and don't buy purely on drive unit.
 
measurbators
On a personal note, I'm much more excited about the bike itself and the new geometry, than by a new motor.

Measurbators... Lol! I hadn't come across that, love it...

There is much wisdom in this post. I think if the power war keeps going up and up there may be real problems, but that hasn't happened yet. I don't see much point in it without battery capacity going up accordingly.

I realised that (for me) the extra Avinox power isn't going to mean much past the novelty - because the battery isn't bigger nor motor more efficient. If I can empty a Bosch Gen 5 battery already at even just 85nm/750w, then there isn't much point in more. And with the Bosch I'm guaranteed no rattle and I can get a great deal right now as all the measurbators are scrambling for Avinox bikes.
 
Long story short, buy an avinox system bike, but for the love of god, chose the bicycle that fits your needs and don't buy purely on drive unit.
Funny enough. This being an Avinox M2S thread. I'm going to talk about Avinox M2S EMTBs. God forbid I don't get called a fanboy for posting about the correct motor, in the correct thread ....... <shakes head>

The Avinox M2S now comes on a huge raft of bikes and brands. So there is an endless choice of needs, met by the Avinox Motor System. You do not need to look outside the the motor brand, unless you are particularly wedded to another brand.

I was a huge Shimano fan before switching to Avinox, and only bought Shimano motors and Electronic Transmissions. But since switching to Avinox, which pairs very nicely with the SRAM Transmission. I will only buy Avinox and SRAM. So I go out and look for a manufacturer who builds a EMTB with the geometry I'm wanting, that uses Avinox and SRAM. And I will buy nothing else.

Spare parts are easier. Testing for failures is easier, as you can swap parts between bikes. And the Avinox Motor System is the best, IMO.

People seem to be just trying to make life hard for themselves. Just buy the best legal EMTB and motor. Forget the other nonsense. 95% of others buyers wouldn't even know this discussion is going on. They are just buying what they think is the best bike for them.
 
There's a fair bit of misinformation in this EMTB article, why is the author not noted?
  • You cannot simply "dig in the app" to enable Class 3 45km/h limits unless the bike was digitally registered in a country where this is legal.
  • A Trek Rail+ is not a compelling alternative for people who "don't need 1500W". The Trek is significantly more expensive, heavier, noisier, and less feature rich than the class-equivalent Amflow PR.
  • Sure, Avinox could have made a lighter version of their 2.6kg motor. But the battery weight would remain the same and the range might actually decrease slightly since smaller motors are inherently less efficient. The motor cost wouldn't change much since they still need all the same components, just with slightly less copper. So imagine they cut the motor weight by an incredible 40% and released a 600W, 1.6kg ultralight motor. How many people do you think are going to choose the 600W/45kg bike over a 1500W/46kg bike at the same price? Certainly not the majority needed to make a strong business case.
 
There's a fair bit of misinformation in this EMTB article, why is the author not noted?
  • You cannot simply "dig in the app" to enable Class 3 45km/h limits unless the bike was digitally registered in a country where this is legal.
Thought exactly the same when I read it. Only in the US can you do this. That's a regional issue for the US. You cannot change the region in the App elsewhere. It requires the installation of a 3rd Party software and a deliberate process of registering the bike, to do it.

I've ridden with 4 other Amflows in our MTB Club. None were derestricted. None of the owners knew how to install and use a VPN, let alone the entire process to change the bikes region. None were interested in doing it.
 
  • A Trek Rail+ is not a compelling alternative for people who "don't need 1500W". The Trek is significantly more expensive, heavier, noisier, and less feature rich than the class-equivalent Amflow PR.
I've ridden several Rail+'s and they've all been quiet + my own.
Had m1 Amflow and had 2 Frame warranties before i sold it - QC was shoddy at best.
Hence why I have a rail+ at the moment Atleast it wont break.

Heavier, yep sure is... but id still pick it over the m1 amflow - not tried on new PR yet obviously

"feature rich" are you talking frame or tech?(drive unit)
 
AVINOX M1 VS M2S MOTOR
Can the latest drive unit improve on the original’s awesome performance?
19 mai. 2026

DJI-owned Avinox’s new M2S motor delivers huge gains in power and torque over the revered M1, but does it improve your ride experience on the trail, or just drain the battery quicker?
A bit of background
E-MTB motor development has followed a predictable path for several years – more refinement, slightly increased power, marginal gains in efficiency and a bit less weight. Then the Avinox M1 arrived in 2025 and blew the market wide open, outgunning existing options from Bosch, Specialized and Shimano on power, torque and user experience.
Now, the brand have released a new flagship. On paper, the M2S dwarfs the M1 and pushes performance into territory that makes you question how much power is genuinely useful on the trail. So,
I set out to see just how capable and practical it really is.
I tested the new motor and the M1 back-to-back, on the same trails and in the same conditions, over several weeks, using Amflow (DJI’s in-house bike brand) bikes – the M1 on their PL Carbon Pro and the M2S on the all-new PX Carbon Pro. Is the extra grunt a real advantage, or just headline numbers? And, more importantly, which one would I want on my bike?
A seismic shift
On paper, the jump from the M1 to the M2S is significant. Maximum output rises to 1,500W and 150Nm. That’s a 50% increase in power and 23.8% more torque, over the M1’s 1,000W and 120Nm. Both of these figures are when in timelimited Boost mode.
In Turbo mode – the highest continuous setting – the output climbs from 100W and 105Nm to 1,300W and 130Nm. That puts the M2S into a different league on raw data alone. Helping Avinox to achieve this is their new integrated 700Wh battery (FP700), which has a claimed weight of 3.18kg and, more importantly, an energy density of 220Wh/kg. Note that some bike brands are pairing the motor with Avinox’s removable RS800 (800Wh) or RS600 (600Wh) batteries instead, which don’t enable quite the same maximum power and torque.
Uphill performance
What surprised me most is how similar the M1 and M2S feel on the trail – not in outright power, but in how they deliver it.
Straight away, the M2S feels familiar. Power builds naturally and stays connected to your input. There’s no jerkiness or harsh surging when you press down on the pedals. Stamp hard and you get strong acceleration, but it’s never chaotic. Ease ož and the motor responds just as smoothly. That matters on technical climbs, allowing you to balance grip and power to clear steep sections or pick your way over roots and rocks.
Here, though, the gap between the M1 and M2S is smaller than you might expect. You don’t get a 50% boost in climbing ability, because the need for control through the pedals limits how much of that 1,300W and 130Nm you can use. Where the M2S stands out is in how it carries momentum. The added power helps keep the bike moving over roots, rocks and awkward step-ups. Instead of stalling or needing big pedal inputs, it just keeps driving forward. That extra speed also improves stability. With more forward momentum, the front wheel stays planted and is less likely to lift on steep pitches, leaving the bike feeling more composed and easier to control.
The M1 is still impressive. It climbs well, delivers power smoothly and handles technical terrain con¡dently.
But, ridden back-to-back, it lacks that top-end urgency. It feels slightly
atter and requires a little more rider input to keep things moving.
Where the power comes from
The M2S uses at copper wire instead of traditional round wire. This enables more copper to be packed into the same space. That increases the strength of the magnetic �eld, boosting power and torque without making the motor bigger. Avinox say the overall size is almost unchanged. The claimed weight of 2.6kg is also close to the M1’s 2.52kg. Power density is up by 26% and torque density by 20%.
So, how does that power feel on the trail? On mellower terrain, �reroad climbs or rolling trail-centre trails, the extra power isn’t a big advantage. The M1 already has enough grunt to hit the 25kph e-bike speed limit in its Turbo and Boost modes. Both motors turn climbs into something closer to ow trails, delivering proper uphill fun, which is still not common in mountain biking.
The M2S gets up to speed quicker. It also drives harder out of corners and up steep pitches. However, it’s not a huge diŠerence. The main bene�t is that it holds momentum with less rider eŠort.
Things change on steeper climbs. Here, the M2S starts to dominate, making a mockery of gradients that would usually need careful pacing and gear choice. It accelerates hard and holds speed, driving forward as resistance builds rather than bogging down or forcing you to shift.The extra torque is obvious, allowing you to stay seated and balanced, and let the motor do more of the work.
It’s almost ridiculous how quickly the Am ow PX ascends in Boost mode – it’ll hold the 25kph cut-oŠ on gradients that would otherwise feel like a grind. In Turbo, it still ies up hills where most e-MTBs, even those equipped with the M1, would start to slow. With its power and delivery, I was able to clear climbs on the M2S that I’ve never managed with other e-bike systems.
With power comes responsibility
There’s no getting around it – the M2S is incredibly powerful on climbs. But that comes with a reality check. Most of the time, you simply cannot use all that power. Not on shared trails. Not around other riders. Not when you’re riding in a group with people on less powerful bikes.
If you do, you’ll �nd you spend the whole ride either waiting for, or riding away from, your mates. Neither makes for a good day out.
The truth is, much of the M2S’s performance is only fully usable when you’re riding alone, or on quiet trails where you’re not aŠecting anyone else. That extra speed and drive is impressive, but it often ends up feeling more like a party trick than something you’ll use all the time.
There’s also a responsibility that comes with all that power. More speed uphill means more chance of surprising other trail users. It’s on you to manage that. Control your speed. Be aware of others. Ride within the constraints of the trail, not just the limits of the motor.
Gearing differences
Another signi�cant change is in the motor’s gearing. The M2S uses helical gears with a dual-engagement design, rather than the straight-cut gears in the M1. That does two things. It increases load capacity,
enabling the system to handle higher torque and power, and it also reduces noise and vibration, by keeping the gears meshed more consistently.
On the trail, even at full power, the M2S is quieter – impressively so. The M1 isn’t a loud motor, but it produces a noticeable whine in higher-power modes and a slight rattle on rough trails. By comparison, the M2S is almost silent on descents. It feels more re“ned and less intrusive.
Heat management and efficiency
One of the less obvious but more important upgrades is how the M2S manages heat. E-bike motors are often limited not by peak power, but rather by how long they can sustain it for. Once temperatures rise, most systems reduce output to protect the internal components.
Axinox address this with improved thermal management. New temperature sensors monitor heat more accurately, while revised internals and a smoother gear system reduce heat build-up and internal losses. Less energy is wasted as heat, and there’s improved dissipation through the motor casing. All of this means the M2S can stay at a higher power for longer.
Overall motor e…ciency has increased from a claimed 82% to 84.5%. On the trail, that translates to more consistent performance. The motor doesn’t fade as quickly on long climbs or repeated e‘orts. It feels just as strong near the top as it does at the bottom. Even riding consistently in Turbo mode, I couldn’t get the M2S’s thermal throttle to kick in. The M1 is still solid but it can’t match the same level of sustained output.
Speed test
On a 12km loop with 700m of climbing, the di‘erence between the motors was clear. In Turbo mode, the M2S completed the loop in 34 minutes – four minutes faster than the M1. In this time, the M2S used 56% of its 700Wh battery, while the M1 used 49% of its 800Wh battery. That means both systems used exactly 392Wh to complete the ride.
Despite the jump in power, both motors used the same amount of energy – the M2S just did it faster. That suggests real-world e…ciency is at least on a par with the M1, but it delivers that performance over a shorter period of time.
What changes is how that energy is used. The M2S draws power at a higher rate, so if you ride it hard in Turbo or Boost mode, it’ll drain the battery faster. You’re covering ground more quickly, but you’re also getting through the battery sooner.
Ride both motors at the same pace, and the range is likely to be similar. Use the M2S’s extra power frequently and the overall range will drop compared to the M1. That means the range depends less on the system and more on how tempted you are to use the full performance on o‘er.
Avinox M1 vs M2S apps
The M2S app builds on the foundation set for the M1, but pushes it much further. Its core layout and usability remain the same, and it’s still one of the easiest systems to navigate.
Where it has improved is in the depth it o‘ers. The ability for customisation has expanded signi“cantly – you can “ne tune the assistance level, start response, sustained support, torque limits and motor overrun. This feels less like selecting modes and more like re“ning the bike’s behaviour.
Boost mode is also more advanced. On the M1, it’s a simple maximumpower setting for 30 seconds. With the M2S, you can control how long it lasts, between 10 and 60 seconds. Navigation is another step forward. You can now import routes from third parties and follow them directly on the display, with turn prompts and live guidance. Heart-rate based assist adds a training element. When paired with a monitor, the system adjusts motor support based on your e‘ort to help you stay within a target zone.
There are also smaller usability gains. Maintenance mode improves safety when working on the bike, for example. The M1’s app already set a high bar – now the M2S maintains the original’s simplicity but adds a deeper level of control.
What’s not perfect?
One area that hasn’t changed signi“cantly is pedalling resistance above the motor cut-o‘. Like the
M1, the M2S still feels draggy once assistance cuts out. It’s not a dealbreaker, but is noticeable, especially on atter terrain where you’re riding above the limit – which is easy to reach with the M2S’s immense power.
Battery indicator accuracy at low charge could also be improved. The bike showed around 12% remaining, but this dropped quickly to 5% and the M2S then entered a reducedpower mode. I didn’t experience the same behaviour with the M1.
AND THE WINNER IS...
While the M1 and M2S motors are matched closely in some areas, they deliver very different riding experiences.
The M1 remains an excellent system. It offers smooth, intuitive power delivery, strong climbing performance and enough output to make most terrain feel manageable. For many riders, it already provides more than enough assistance, with a measured and predictable character that’s easy to live with on everyday rides.
However, the M2S builds on that foundation and pushes it further. It delivers significantly more power and torque, but crucially, it does so without losing the natural, controlled feel that made the M1 so impressive. On technical climbs, its ability to maintain momentum and stability gives it a clear advantage, and it also outperforms the M1 on steeper terrain.
Despite the increase in output, efficiency remains broadly comparable. Both motors used the same amount of energy over my test loop, with the M2S completing it faster. That means the difference in range comes down more to how you ride than the system itself. Use the extra performance frequently and your mileage will drop.
The M2S also moves ahead in terms of refinement and usability.
It’s quieter, holds power more consistently under load and offers far greater control through its software.
Are these motors worth their price? I’d argue yes, considering you can buy other systems that don’t perform as well for more money. But remember, a good e-bike isn’t good just because of the motor – how well it rides comes down to a sum of its parts.
If you value smooth power, simplicity and more than enough performance for most riding, the M1 still makes a strong case. However, if you want maximum capability, sharper climbing performance and a more adaptable system, the M2S is the clear winner. You don’t need the M2S, but once you have it, it’s hard to ignore what it can do. Luke Marshall www.amflowbikes.com

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Very well stated.
 
Twats are the problem! Rule#1 Don't be a dick.
I have a sticker on the back of my van that literally says "Don't be a dick" (anybody in the Uk into card will know if from Caffeine & Machine) - it doesn't seem to help much these days
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I know threads on this forum tend to go off the rails fast but wow I wasn't expecting a discussion about Avinox to turn into dieselgate and sports cars.... I think we've hit a new record lol
 
this is so frigging boring
Exactly right. The motor is a big part of the emtb you’re buying as well and should absolutely factor into your buying decision. Right now all motors have great bike options. So you have a bunch of people here that are anti-Avinox that have never ridden one and convincing others to not even consider one (maybe not directly but as you can see from that guy that posted, indirectly, thinking it is going to be banned). That’s not right….

I and many other Avinox owners have experience and personally owned many of the other motors available. Good news is that they are all good in their own way. I’d never tell somebody to not buy a Bosch or brose bike. I think they work fine. I’ve never trashed Bosch or brose and I never will. Avinox is way better imo though. And that is not because of the power. Limit it to the same exact power I’ll still choose an Avinox bike all day. Everybody is different though and I think it’s more important to listen to people who have experience on said motor vs some spec sheet haters. If you ride one then come on here to say why you didn’t like it, I respect that. Otherwise shut up, respectfully 😂.
can you not see that calling people old grumps, 'haters' and telling them to shut up is actually being a 'hater'?
Avinox is the company pushing higher powered eMTBs - some people are concerned it might have a negative impact on regulations - regardless of how good the Avinox system is and how well most people treat other trail users.
it's pretty simple.
 
Exactly right. The motor is a big part of the emtb you’re buying as well and should absolutely factor into your buying decision. Right now all motors have great bike options. So you have a bunch of people here that are anti-Avinox that have never ridden one and convincing others to not even consider one (maybe not directly but as you can see from that guy that posted, indirectly, thinking it is going to be banned). That’s not right….

I and many other Avinox owners have experience and personally owned many of the other motors available. Good news is that they are all good in their own way. I’d never tell somebody to not buy a Bosch or brose bike. I think they work fine. I’ve never trashed Bosch or brose and I never will. Avinox is way better imo though. And that is not because of the power. Limit it to the same exact power I’ll still choose an Avinox bike all day. Everybody is different though and I think it’s more important to listen to people who have experience on said motor vs some spec sheet haters. If you ride one then come on here to say why you didn’t like it, I respect that. Otherwise shut up, respectfully 😂.

There's a heavy dose of irony here

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Considering you jumped into the Bosch 120nm announcement to tell people that Avinox is superior in every way, multiple times, it might be good to also take your own advice
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Considering you jumped into the Bosch 120nm announcement to tell people that Avinox is superior in any way, multiple times, it might be good to also take your own advice
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That’s not irony, but that thread definitely is since it’s mostly people in there frothing for more Bosch power that were in the avinox threads saying you only need 85nm. I never told people to not buy a Bosch bike. I’ve owned a couple. That first quote i very clearly say I’d go back to Bosch (if they made improvements), second one was being sarcastic. I’ve never hated on Bosch people. I’ve never went into Bosch forums to call them “fanboys” with “Stockholm syndrome.”

Good try on the “gotcha” post tho. If you read my post you quoted in here I also said if you personally have ridden and put time on an avinox then came here to tell us you didn’t like it and the reasons, I think that is 100% cool. Instead you guys who have never ridden one just come on every single avinox thread to talk crap and call the owners “fanboys.” See the difference?

Eh I’ll let it go. None of us are changing anyone’s minds in here and these threads are all the same. I just want people to “don’t knock it until you try it.” That’s all.
 
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That’s not irony, but that thread definitely is since it’s mostly people in there frothing for more Bosch power that were in the avinox threads saying you only need 85nm. I never told people to not buy a Bosch bike. I’ve owned a couple. That first quote i very clearly say I’d go back to Bosch (if they made improvements), second one was being sarcastic. I’ve never hated on Bosch people. I’ve never went into Bosch forums to call them “fanboys” with “Stockholm syndrome.”

Good try on the “gotcha” post tho. If you read my post you quoted in here I also said if you personally have ridden and put time on an avinox then came here to tell us you didn’t like it and the reasons, I think that is 100% cool. Instead you guys who have never ridden one just come on every single avinox thread to talk crap and call the owners “fanboys.” See the difference?

Eh I’ll let it go. None of us are changing anyone’s minds in here and these threads are all the same. I just want people to “don’t knock it until you try it.” That’s all.
The thing is this isn’t an avinox thread. No one should be trying to change anyone’s mind in here. You seem to be locked onto a sales pitch.

It’s about an announcement that could have wide reaching legal repercussions for any e bike owner regardless of manufacturer.

It’s very strange to get annoyed for none amflow owners to have an opinion and call us old and grumpy and get defensive when your name stood out to me as one of the amflow people who waded into a bosch discussion telling everyone that amflow was far superior 🙄

Just chill a bit. Cycling is an amazing hobby for people to get out the house and help with fitness and mental health. That’s what a lot of us want to protect. Not close it off behind licenses and registration because a few manufacturers push the limits of the law too hard.

No one comes online to have another Xbox vs PlayStation or android vs iPhone argument. It’s very very boring 🙂
 
I will no doubt own an avinox system in the future But currently a little concerned about what laws may roll in.

Had m1 Amflow and had 2 Frame warranties before i sold it - QC was shoddy at best.
You wrote on Tuesday that you will someday own an Avinox bike, but by Wednesday you had already bought one, had the frame replaced twice, sold it, and then bought a Trek?
 
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