Levo Gen 4 Specialized Gen 4 Levo - Official Thread
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PaulH2B
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I'm same size as you, I got the S4, which fits perfectly for my preferences. Due to the steep seat angle, the rather short chain stays and the smaller 27.5 rear wheel, it feels quite compact, thou its got a 480 reach.
Anyway, if you got the chance, ride and compare both of them for your own, preferences are very individual.
PaulH2B
Member
No, there is absolutely no rattle while pedaling, so as long as there is some tension on the chain, it's very quiet, no matter the terrain.
Potter57
Member
S3!!
Potter57
Member
Sorry... S4!
Hi
did you finally find a security Bolt for Battery cover?
I thought 2.3 actually is the old ones and is delivered on all bikes also yours until the stock is finished then the new 2.4 will be delivered on the bikes.
Am I wrong?
I think they mean the old, old butcher. The redesigned versions that first released in 2022 and have just been refreshed again this year were received pretty well.
My new gen 3 Levo came fitted with Butcher T9 grid trail on the front..29x2.3 and Eliminator T7/T9 Grid Gravity 27.5x2.3 rear. The bike is only used for cross country type rides and currently everywhere here is bone dry dusty and rock hard, but the tyres seem fine. I have a Maxxis Shortie DD MAXGRIP ready to fit for winter conditions.
Don't know the difference between old, old and old just read the new Butcher 2.4 is different from the old.
I have ordered a pair of Butcher grid trail 2.4 and Eliminator grid trail 2.4 both tan walls since I don't need gravity and hope they both are the new version because as far as I know 2.4 was not available earlier.
If they are 2.4s they should be the most recent ones.
singletrackminded
Active member
at 5'7" height, I ride an S3. For me, it comes down to standover height, so more about inseam /leg length than height.
fbonde
Member
Thank you very much for that response. I had the old Levo SL in size large. I mainly used that for trail riding. Sometimes it felt like "too much" of a bike.
The Levo 4 build is usually going to be for bike parks and long epics in the mountains. I love climbing on it, so that is also a factor. At the same time, I like when a bike feels secure on a downhill when you're just plowing down. I'm not like trick and jump kinda guy. I tried the S3 and S4 outside the shop, but it's really hard to determine.
I have a longer torso than normal. So the reach is definitely not a problem on an S4. It's just more about which one of them feels more planted or secure, Yet not too much of a bike to maneuver around.
I'm 1,80m with long legs and therefore short torso for my size which not seems your case and had:
-LEVO 2 in L
-KENEVO 2 in S4
-LEVO 3 in S4
-LEVO 4 in S4 and S3...
I've always felt that i needed and S 3,5 size as the S4 felt a bit large on flat and nimble terrain but felt very secure on steep descent and rocks.
When I received the LEVO 4 S4 it felt big but went back to store for a warranty problem.
A friend of mine gave me his LEVO 3 S3 for sale to ride with him as he had bought the LEVO 4, the bike felt so nimble and agile I could make things impossible with the S4.. so I choose the LEVO 4 in S3 back from warranty.
After riding it on my local trail I can say it's not as stable as the S4 so I still thing i need an S 3.5 but happy sor far as I could turn the flip chip in low and add a longer stem.
Hope that helps..
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electricbogaloo
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To me it seems that some Reviewers seem to gloss over more on issues like that but almost all reviews, apart from some people like this aussie guy reviewing the Amflow or the guy from Velomotion professional reviewers try to paint the weaknesses, especially for new hyped motor systems in a far too bright light. There have been many examples of this:
Bosch Cx gen 3 bikes had long ass chainstays because of Bosch specifications and in combination with outdated geometry from german manufactuers this created really wonky geometries but reviews never reall mentioned this.
The switch to intube designs and bigger batteries also increased the weight of full power ebikes to 25 kg or more but the reviewers acted like all of a sudden a weight gain of 2 or 3 kg or even more wouldn't be noticeable while mountainbiking.
Same with the MGU bikes like the Nicolaj who weighs 28 kg. Suddenly this weight is barely noticeable lol.
But the rattle of various motor generations somehow was the most kept secret. First the shimano e8000 which only occasssionaly rattles on rough sections. Never read about it in a review. Then when the Ep8 and the Bosch Cx4 came out the reviews said that the new motors were silent or unhearable. Many german review sites failed to mention the rattle for many reveiws until it was impossible to ignore because too many people on social media complained about it.
Same with the snapped Brose belts. Only when the issue couldn't be ignored anymore because social media was full of videos with people telling stories about getting their sixtht motor fitted they wrote some euphemistic articles about 'reliability issues with brose' but that 'specialized adressed and fixed them with a firmware update'.
In general reliability, long term-reviews or spare parts are issues that almost never get adressed.
So that's why I'm very very sceptical of the usual rave reviews by the usual suspects after the release of a new product.
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fbonde
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The S3,5 is a great point. That will be perfect. I feel exactly what you are writing, the S4 feels a bit large on flat and nimble terrain but feels very secure on steep descent and rocks, like my gen 1 levo sl in L.
Yes, I couldn't ride the S4 in the low flip chip and slack head angle as it was way too lazy and the wheelbase too big. The advantage on the S3 is that it is more tuneable (low flip chip for stability is great and longer chainstay), but it will mostly depend on your riding style and the best compromise for you.
Power1tobe
Active member
For riders in the mid zones its just a preference choice. Some people like to ride bikes a little larger others like the feel of a smaller frame. I am 181 cm and prefer an S3 all day, every day.
electricbogaloo
Active member
To me it feels like I can compensate better on a frame that is too small than a frame that is too large overall. Its just that the shorter the frame, the more scarier high speed rough stuff gets that tends to buck you over the front.
fbonde
Member
That's interesting. Could you elaborate on why you chose the S3 with your 181?
fbonde
Member
You are absolutely right. This is my exact concern as well. The only thing that makes not choose the S3 is that I "think" it will be unstable. I have zero evidence for that, just pure feel. When I tried the gen 1 Levo SL size medium.
You are right, I can confirm you that the S3 is more instable, it’s my only concern comparing to the S4, no doubt about that. If I was to ride only steep downhill I Will choose an S4 for sure, but I find the S3 more playfull and able to improve my skills… no matter your choice you will have a great bike and get used to it..
fbonde
Member
S3 it is. Thanks so much for your inputs.
Power1tobe
Active member
I have been riding Specialized for years and my height has always placed me somewhere between S3-S4. I have ridden both and over time have found I prefer a smaller frame, it really is a preference thing. I have been road riding for years and I would tell everyone... regardless of the frame you should go get a bike fitting! People spend 10K on a bike and don't pay $300 to have the bike adjusted to their actual build. The sizing guide is just that... a guide. I can ride either an S3 or S4 and can be properly fit into either. Lastly, in MTBs I have always preferred a smaller frame as it easier to throw around, its a bit lighter and have always felt more nimble. Again, get fitted for your bike and you will know if the frame is the correct size.
DirkWisely
Well-known member
I'm pretty new to mine, but I've been very pleased with the range. Dynamic microtune around 20/100 - 40/100 will make you work for the power and will thus extend range.
Based on my most recent ride which I did at 25/100 I got 10 miles and 1600 feet for 20-25% battery.
Based on my most recent ride which I did at 25/100 I got 10 miles and 1600 feet for 20-25% battery.
Hitorogoshi
Active member
there isn't really an answer to your question. It's something you're going to have to figure out as you play with the settings.
However, lots of guys are getting good range on -AUTO setting.
Power1tobe
Active member
00/00? Honestly this is going to be person by person, -Auto is descent for range, but there are other variables to consider. If you are looking for absolute max range then your going to tune down the setting to the lowest setting per your fitness level. The one thing I have learned about this bike is it will use the power you give it, especially if you climb at a constant cadence. For example if you set it at 25/25 and your fitness level allows you climb continuously at 70 rpms then that bike is going to use a constant 25% of 666 watts (166 watts). On the flip side you will use very little power on the descents, so it really all comes down to the terrain you are ridding, your fitness level, and the level at which you set the bike. I can tell you for certain that micro tuning will conserve more juice the -Auto, but that doesn't accounting for your fitness. Hope this Helps, regardless you are going to need to play around with the bikes tuning to max its distance for you specific riding needs.
Gropec
Member
I am 178cm,
I rode a GLP3 size M before
460 reach
1255 WB
So, i ordered the S4 which have the the same WB but a slightly bigger reach 480mm, + 2cm
Since the day one on the S4 i feel something strange i can't tell you exactly what.
It is just hard for me to play with my body weight.
After 500kms and 3 races, it was clear that the bike is too "big" for me.
My LBS lent me an S3 and the smile was again on my face!!
It was more playfull, even in fast steep downhill, my confidence was back.
So, i sold the S4 and bought an s3
I would say, bike size really depends on riding style.
I would suggest for those who are between 2 sizes, to go with the size down if you have an active and agressive riding style and go to a size up if it just for all montain trail and light enduro.
I rode a GLP3 size M before
460 reach
1255 WB
So, i ordered the S4 which have the the same WB but a slightly bigger reach 480mm, + 2cm
Since the day one on the S4 i feel something strange i can't tell you exactly what.
It is just hard for me to play with my body weight.
After 500kms and 3 races, it was clear that the bike is too "big" for me.
My LBS lent me an S3 and the smile was again on my face!!
It was more playfull, even in fast steep downhill, my confidence was back.
So, i sold the S4 and bought an s3
I would say, bike size really depends on riding style.
I would suggest for those who are between 2 sizes, to go with the size down if you have an active and agressive riding style and go to a size up if it just for all montain trail and light enduro.
fbonde
Member
Thank you very much for your insightful inputI am 178cm,
I rode a GLP3 size M before
460 reach
1255 WB
So, i ordered the S4 which have the the same WB but a slightly bigger reach 480mm, + 2cm
Since the day one on the S4 i feel something strange i can't tell you exactly what.
It is just hard for me to play with my body weight.
After 500kms and 3 races, it was clear that the bike is too "big" for me.
My LBS lent me an S3 and the smile was again on my face!!
It was more playfull, even in fast steep downhill, my confidence was back.
So, i sold the S4 and bought an s3
I would say, bike size really depends on riding style.
I would suggest for those who are between 2 sizes, to go with the size down if you have an active and agressive riding style and go to a size up if it just for all montain trail and light enduro.
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