Patience is a VRtue ?????

[warninghighvoltage]

Noobie here, sorry for the crap pun. Demo'd a Trek Powerfly for a couple of days and sooooo get the e-bike thing now but I found it to be a barge and the weight bias/chainstay length not to my liking. So the E-Sommet research has been done to death today.

So, there are no VRs on CRC at all, Wiggle seem to have given up on them and there are a few Deore versions. Do I wait for however long for a VR or just do it. I'm tempted to JFDI because a number of people seem to prefer the Steps 7000 to the 8000 on the VR and I'm not that fussed on Deore v XT etc. Is/are there really good reasons to wait ?

I know 2 things, I am not waiting until 2020 comes out and that I am in love with that blue black colour scheme on the VR that was maybe a 2018 thing.

 

[N1ck]

The only reason to get the VR in my opinion is for the lyric fork. The E7000 motor is more than ample.
XT/Deore, meh. I've got XT on my other bike. Can I tell the difference? Can I fuck.

I went for the non-VR version. No regrets.

 

[Gary]

No. The main reason to buy the VR is the E8000
(it's easy and cheap to upgrade a Yari to Lyrik)

The E7000 is actually a bit weedy in comparisson to the E8000.
I reckon most folk who don't notice the difference are just plodders/steady riders
do you have an E7000 and an E8000?
I have both. and personally I don't see the point in Shimano releasing the E7000 at all when manufacturers could simply have set-up an E8000 to only output 60nm on their bikes.
shimano should have made a more durable motor up to actual off road use instead of introducing a weaker model IMO

 

[warninghighvoltage]

The only reason to get the VR in my opinion is for the lyric fork. The E7000 motor is more than ample.
XT/Deore, meh. I've got XT on my other bike. Can I tell the difference? Can I fuck.

I went for the non-VR version. No regrets.

Thanks Nick. Vitus confirmed there are def no more 2019s in production, its all 2020 now and nobody will say when they are expected in uk. CRC have a few base models available right now.

I agree about the whole xt/slx whatever thing. We're hacks, not pro's. Appreciate your views.

Maybe spend the 'saving' on a spare battery

 

[Gary]

XT/Deore, meh. I've got XT on my other bike. Can I tell the difference? Can I fuck.

You can't count to 11?

 

[warninghighvoltage]

No. The main reason to buy the VR is the E8000
(it's easy and cheap to upgrade a Yari to Lyrik)

The E7000 is actually a bit weedy in comparisson to the E8000.
I reckon most folk who don't notice the difference are just plodders/steady riders
do you have an E7000 and an E8000?
I have both. and personally I don't see the point in Shimano releasing the E7000 at all when manufacturers could simply have set-up an E8000 to only output 60nm on their bikes.
shimano should have made a more durable motor up to actual off road use instead of introducing a weaker model IMO

I think N1ck was saying the diff between xt/deore isn't discernible, not that he didn't notice a difference between the 2 motors

Its all fine margins and a lot of it in the mind. People think they're Gee Atherton on their £7k carbon whatever then get wasted by Sam Pilgrim on freebie rigid Apollo

BUT, maybe best to wait for 2020 and see what the latest shiny bits offer, with electrics developing as quick as they are. I really can't decide but maybe should apply the 'buy in haste, repent at leisure' and hang out for a bit longer to see what happens

These Vitus must be bloomin good. Nobody ever sells them! Given up looking for 2nd hand ones

 

[N1ck]

No. The main reason to buy the VR is the E8000
(it's easy and cheap to upgrade a Yari to Lyrik)

The E7000 is actually a bit weedy in comparisson to the E8000.
I reckon most folk who don't notice the difference are just plodders/steady riders
do you have an E7000 and an E8000?
I have both. and personally I don't see the point in Shimano releasing the E7000 at all when manufacturers could simply have set-up an E8000 to only output 60nm on their bikes.
shimano should have made a more durable motor up to actual off road use instead of introducing a weaker model IMO

Depends how fit you are. I can max the boost mode to motor cut-out speed up some pretty steep hills off-road. How would an E8000 help me there? They all cutout at the same speed. If you're less fit, then yes I could see an advantage to the E8000, but for me, no, I disagree.

 

[warninghighvoltage]

Gary, Im not really sure why you're jumping on N1ck unless in jest. Having one more gear makes you think you are quicker

 

[N1ck]

You can't count to 11?

Sorry, come again? Whats with the aggressive sarcasm?

 

[Gary]

Depends how fit you are. I can max the boost mode to motor cut-out speed up some pretty steep hills off-road. How would an E8000 help me there? They all cutout at the same speed. If you're less fit, then yes I could see an advantage to the E8000, but for me, no, I disagree.

You clearly don't ever climb anything actually steep if you can climb everything at 15mph+

Max torque has nothing to do with speed

It also has nothing to do with how fit you are. (I'm fairly fit myself)

 

[Gary]

Sorry, come again? Whats with the aggressive sarcasm?

It was simply humour mate.
no aggression.
chill

Deore is 10 speed.
SLX is 11
XT is (now) 12

 

[Gary]

Gary, Im not really sure why you're jumping on N1ck unless in jest. Having one more gear makes you think you are quicker

No it doesn't

not unless you're a complete moron.

one more gear makes for smaller jumps from gear to gear or a wider range (higher/lower top/bottom gear).

 

[David0208]

No it doesn't

not unless you're a complete moron.

one more gear makes for smaller jumps from gear to gear or a wider range (higher/lower top/bottom gear).

I take it "Deal with it Princess" is what you hear a lot? Ease up there . . . guys are just looking for banter and advice, not to proved wrong.