Heh kind of true. All these motors weigh roughly similar, and seem capable of 85ish torque to 150ish just based on software tuning. I wonder if they could even be made much lighter if they actually topped out at 85nm. There'd probably be a market for that, if they could make a bike with 60% the torque/power and 60% the weight.
To me weight is more important than power.
Too much power for a below average MTB rider, shocking.
Well I’ll be damned
You can create a page that shows how many watts you push, how many the motor in outputting and your cadence plus the gear your are and the %of battery. I find it quite useful to see how much you are consuming in the various modes. The page that I use is the small top and bottom rectangles and 3 main rectangles. It is so cool that you can create your own pages, what is a bit counter intuitive that not all type of layout offer the same metrics so you need to play around a bit.
The bike industry is all about making you want to buy a new bike every few years by incrementally changing things.I am not an fan of this DJI/Avinox hype...I see some guys here they are way out of shape, no helmet nothing, but for them it's about power and nothing else, experience on the trails zero! I just wait for it that one of these subjects crashes into some other biker...damn!!!
Instead I do think that Mahle offers a real alternative with the M40, I test one Bike with it and it is brilliant how natural the power delivery is.
Just waiting for some nice Bikes with this Motor. The best part...it's from Europe
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Xc isn’t emtb man. We already all took the plunge into the unnatural. Spin it however you want, you do you and let me do me.
I felt reborn! I cannot describe to you how much delight I got from this.
I'm not comparing XC with eMTB
I never lacked fitness until I got to 63. Then it didn't matter what I did, I could no longer keep up with my younger riding buddies. I was holding them up on long climbs. They were patient and ever so NICE about it, but I decided that I was holding them back. I was retired and could ride any day of the week, why ruin their one big ride of the week. So I started riding on my own, so as not to hold them up, but I continued to deteriorate. Eventually, I bought an emtb and suddenly instead of 10 miles followed by 3 days recovery, I could ride anywhere I liked, and the same the next day!
There is no way that I have recovered the fitness I used to have. I'm 75 now (all but a few weeks) and seven years later I'm still doing 20 mile emtb rides whenever I want. (Well maybe I need one day off between rides). I'm only doing one ride a week at the moment, but I've been ill for a couple of months, but recovering steadily.
@Mario Antony, it is not all about fitness, it's also about the taking part and the enjoyment, Let's not forget the enjoyment!
I thought fuel eEX had a 560Wh bat.
The Gen 2 has the 560Wh Battery but not the Gen 1 , only 360Wh and humble 50Nm
First of all, what is an attlet? 2nd, opinions are like assholes, everyone has one. But just because you have an opinion, doesn’t mean you’re right or that you get to dictate what anyone else thinks or does. I don’t ride my ebike for the workout, I do it for the fun. The workout is a bonus. Most of your rant doesn’t even make any sense. Emtb isn’t supposed to be hard, it’s whatever you want it to be. If you want it to be hard, you can run in eco or reduce the power and make it slow. If you want to go hard and fast and challenge yourself with the most technical trails, you can put it in turbo and have a blast doing it. There is no right or wrong, just the riders preference. To me, one of those is fun, the other is not. The extra power is just a tool to help you get the job done easier or faster. I personally like go to fast on challenging terrain. I like to see how fast I can do the hardest trails up and down and I’d rather do it in a Ferrari rather than a Prius.Yesterday, while watching XC Short Track, and seeing top attlets suffering on those climbs and in particular on the rock garden, i started thinking about The emtb thing, and Power questions.
Those guys, trainned attlets, pushing their heart out, were crawling that climb.
And here it heat me: Why on Earth would mtb be easy?
Also today, rode the ebike with the least power since I bought
200W and 30Nm.
For 25 (hard) kms, I was enjoying myself.
Yes it was slow, yes it was difficult and it hurt a little (not so much as doing it on a MTB).
When I switched to eMTB+ (600W/85Nm), I was like: what the hell???
Yes in this mode, I could climb faster, difficult technical climbs and have fun. But.... wasn't natural.
Ebikes are more close to bikes than motorcycles.
And having so much torque and power, the EMTB experience becomes... unatural, and it's Cycling nor Moto!
The conclusion I've reached:
MTB / eMTB is not easy. Anything to put hard trails easy, is simply and plain stupid. It's supose to be hard.
Applying more power (which ever will be the limit), so that someone with no fitness or with health condition, can enjoy it, is not the solution.
Those that cannot do with a mere 600W/85Nm, should use easier trails.
Not the way around - More Power so that Trails become easier.
I know this position won't have likes and should end with a lot of rant, but thruth is:
Watch XC at the highest level. You should be able to climb all those climbs with a "mere" 600W/85Nm (And these values are really friendly! I can climb most dual track/width tracks with 1 leg! Even those ar +20%).
EMTb should not exceed what those Professional riders do.
Moto ain't eMTB and vice versa.
For ALL that never rode Moto and confuse eMTB with Moto, just watch the video....
NO eMTB will ever do that, unless it has so much power/weight ratio as that moto (+50hp, 200kg rider+moto)
The video (the forum wasn't accepting the file):
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This is MOTO, and no time soon will I see an eMTB climbing that, unless some puts cranks and pedals on a Stark, and calls it an eBIKE
Well... hope you get through the first question with Google/Chatgpt/what ever.
Google or ChatGPT can’t figure out what an attlet is or what you were trying to say. However I can surmise the word you’re looking for is athlete not attlet. The rest of your reply is the same as the previous one, you’re not making any sense bro!
