Orbea x Avinox Rumours

[Suns_PSD]

I think they just wanted to have the selling power of the 700 battery exclusive to their Amflow bike, and decided Atherton were prestigious enough and low volume enough to also get one to accommodate their unique design.

Seems unlikely to me that bigger batteries will come out this year as they just released the 2 RS versions bringing their battery range to 5 already. But I guess Avinox is operating at a very different pace than the other brands, so who knows.

I think it's because there are more people that slot in to the 'I want the 600wh or the 800wh battery' than the smaller group that would only take the 700wh option. Keep in mind that the 700wh has to have a specific downtube design that only fits that battery. Also, it might not fit the upcoming 900+ wh option.

Regarding the extra power, the other batteries can already do the 1500 watts for 30 seconds on boost, so really the 1500 continuous is going to be a really small group that find that they benefit from it.

From my perspective as a new Orbea Wild (Bosch) owner, well I don't think the downtube will be any sleeker on the Avinox version which I'm sort of glad for because of the choice to offer the 600/ 800wh batteries'.

The Bottom Bracket area will look sleeker, but likely will (again!) not have appropriate chain ring protection like most Avinox bikes.

 

[Brawwp]

I think it's because there are more people that slot in to the 'I want the 600wh or the 800wh battery' than the smaller group that would only take the 700wh option. Keep in mind that the 700wh has to have a specific downtube design that only fits that battery. Also, it might not fit the upcoming 900+ wh option.

Regarding the extra power, the other batteries can already do the 1500 watts for 30 seconds on boost, so really the 1500 continuous is going to be a really small group that find that they benefit from it.

From my perspective as a new Orbea Wild (Bosch) owner, well I don't think the downtube will be any sleeker on the Avinox version which I'm sort of glad for because of the choice to offer the 600/ 800wh batteries'.

The Bottom Bracket area will look sleeker, but likely will (again!) not have appropriate chain ring protection like most Avinox bikes.

The crestline takes 600/700/800. I’ve personally held the 700 and it’s incredible how slim and light it feels compared to the 800. I want the 700 very badly and think it’s gonna be the way to go for most people. Hopefully the orbea just adds the extra mounting hole like crestline did so if you can get a 700 it’ll work. The 700 mounts way better (both screws from underside of bike vs having to take display out).

 

[Celada13]

I think Orbea was clear that they prefer to offer their customers both options: less weight with the 600Wh battery or greater range with the 800Wh battery. This is something that has worked well for them with the current Wild model, and they've decided to keep it.

They must have also taken cost into account, since I imagine the new 700Wh batteries will cost more than the 600 and 800Wh ones, and that would increase the final price of the bike.

Personally, I think it's a good decision; everyone should choose what best suits their needs and preferences.

 

[Powerslider]

I think they just wanted to have the selling power of the 700 battery exclusive to their Amflow bike, and decided Atherton were prestigious enough and low volume enough to also get one to accommodate their unique design.

Seems unlikely to me that bigger batteries will come out this year as they just released the 2 RS versions bringing their battery range to 5 already. But I guess Avinox is operating at a very different pace than the other brands, so who knows.

I can envision a situation where the cheap Amflow PR doesn’t get a high-current battery option; and the existing 600Wh and 800Wh batteries are replaced.

 

[Tokidokijake]

I’m trying to figure out if there’s going to be a full powered rallon. Is that what I am reading in this thread in addition to the wild!?

 

[Jabba81]

I’m trying to figure out if there’s going to be a full powered rallon. Is that what I am reading in this thread in addition to the wild!?

Basically the actual Rallon is built from the Wild, but with no Motor. They started doing DH races with the Wild with no battery and motor and then created the new Rallon out of it. So yes it is kind of a full powered Rallon, but the name stays Wild, I guess..

 

[Ndanger]

The crestline takes 600/700/800. I’ve personally held the 700 and it’s incredible how slim and light it feels compared to the 800. I want the 700 very badly and think it’s gonna be the way to go for most people. Hopefully the orbea just adds the extra mounting hole like crestline did so if you can get a 700 it’ll work. The 700 mounts way better (both screws from underside of bike vs having to take display out).

I would choose the 700 wh over the 600 with the former being higher energy density, and again over the 800 wh with the weight saving, girth saving, and efficiency IR gains. So for me the 700wh is the new 600/800 option.

 

[Powerslider]

I would choose the 700 wh over the 600 with the former being higher energy density, and again over the 800 wh with the weight saving, girth saving, and efficiency IR gains. So for me the 700wh is the new 600/800 option.

As a ‘all Turbo, all the time’ rider I find value in having 1500/150 on tap without any additional action on my part. I just want it to be there whenever I torque the pedals hard enough. I’m not looking for a digital nitrous button.

 

[Jabba81]

I rode the Velduro with the 800 battery and on road climbs only in Trail mode I was on the Speed limit all time.

The peak power of the 700 battery therefore makes no sense for me. I would need that probably on one or two extreme steep uphill trails in my hometrail area. And also there only for a couple of seconds. So I definitely prefer the range of the 800 battery and to be honest, as non professional driver I don’t think I feel the difference in peak power there...

And who knows probably they're working on a battery with the cells of the 700, same size of the 800 and this could then result in a 900+ battery??

 

[Highland Wheels]

I rode the Velduro with the 800 battery and on road climbs only in Trail mode I was on the Speed limit all time.

The peak power of the 700 battery therefore makes no sense for me. I would need that probably on one or two extreme steep uphill trails in my hometrail area. And also there only for a couple of seconds. So I definitely prefer the range of the 800 battery and to be honest, as non professional driver I don’t think I feel the difference in peak power there...

And who knows probably they're working on a battery with the cells of the 700, same size of the 800 and this could then result in a 900+ battery??

There is a 900+ battery in the pipeline for this year

 

[Powerslider]

There is a 900+ battery in the pipeline for this year

Funny how I don’t recall anyone ever claiming to know about a new higher-capacity battery to replace the 600Wh part. It’s always the fabled 900+ battery. Weird. Could just be a rumor being told so many times it starts sounding like certainty.

 

[Highland Wheels]

Funny how I don’t recall anyone ever claiming to know about a new higher-capacity battery to replace the 600Wh part. It’s always the fabled 900+ battery. Weird. Could just be a rumor being told so many times it starts sounding like certainty.

I hate to be one of those people, but I have a friend who works for a European brand who divulged a bunch of stuff to me last year RE M2S stuff and everything he told me was correct when it was officially announced by Avinox. The bigger batter is due Q3/Q4 2026 apparently. I'm pretty confident that it is coming

Same form as the current battery

 

[Flo7]

Does the fox 38 will come with big 68ht crown?

The escape green are the same like the Occam color or not?

 

[StumpyEVO]

When the motor was originally destined for the gen4 levo, the motor was being supplied by Mahle China.

Presumably,as that didn't work out and production will be considerably smaller, it will only be produced in Europe. .

Mahle M40 was destined for the Gen 4 Levo?

 

[Zimmerframe]

Mahle M40 was destined for the Gen 4 Levo?

That was the original development. With the M20 variant (low power) due to go in less spec bikes/town bikes etc.

Then they changed tack, hence the huge initial delay for the gen4 whilst they re designed around the brose.

Rumour was that the initial test motors were too loud, no idea if that was the actual reason they ended the development or not though.

 

[Rando_12345]

Same form as the current battery

The internal or the external ones? I'd be pretty tempted by an amflow PR if I knew I could upgrade the battery to 900wh, and I'd be pretty bummed if I spent thousands on the internal only system bikes and those couldn't be upgraded.

 

[Highland Wheels]

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The internal or the external ones? I'd be pretty tempted by an amflow PR if I knew I could upgrade the battery to 900wh, and I'd be pretty bummed if I spent thousands on the internal only system bikes and those couldn't be upgraded.

Same size as the "original" 800s is what I was told

 

[Suns_PSD]

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Same size as the "original" 800s is what I was told

That right there is exactly why they had to mold the frame to fit the 800wh battery. Orbea has the 900+ wh battery dimensions and they need their frame mold to fit that battery.

The 700wh is a bit of an oddball when you think about it.

 

[404]

the 800Wh battery uses 21700 Cells with 5500mAh.
the new one has 6500mAh.
i guess it will be labeled with 900Wh

The new cell were annouced to be aviable in january. But were delayed.
new delivery Date is first week of july.

INR-21700-M65A - Molicel

www.molicel.com

there are samples and first reviews. They get pretty hot under load.
so i guess they will deliver the same power as the 800Wh battery but not the 700Wh power.

after some math i think it will be 900Wh, beacause avinox cuts of way before 2.5V...

 

[Powerslider]

Ummm how come this Wild has a Bosch logo on the chainstay? I guess this is the current model? Launch must be very close.

 

[dirtsufer]

Ummm how come this Wild has a Bosch logo on the chainstay? I guess this is the current model? Launch must be very close.

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This is the current model.

 

[Jabba81]

Do you really think they show the new model before launch to the public? Of course it's not the new one...

Reduce frame stiffness by 15%, shit the frame stiffness is what I love as a heavy rider.

 

[oettam20]

My dealer told me something about the power of the new Wild, that he didn't confirm later. He told me that Orbea chose to limit the maximum power, so it won't be the same as other Avinox systems. Do you have any news about this?

 

[Jabba81]

My dealer told me something about the power of the new Wild, that he didn't confirm later. He told me that Orbea chose to limit the maximum power, so it won't be the same as other Avinox systems. Do you have any news about this?

Would be stupid if they do so...

 

[Lumassa]

Would be stupid if they do so...

It will have custom software with 750 watts peak in all profiles and a little less torque (I don't know exactly how many nm) than the standard m2s but it will have a "better" delivery and a quicker response right from the start. Same power as the other m2s in boost

 

[Jabba81]

It will have custom software with 750 watts peak in all profiles and a little less torque (I don't know exactly how many nm) than the standard m2s but it will have a "better" delivery and a quicker response right from the start. Same power as the other m2s in boost

Strange how they ruin the major selling point of the Avinox drive system... So you'll have a slower system than all other brands who are using the same motor.
WTF why??

How difficult will it be to load the standard software on it? Asking for a friend...

 

[Bikerson]

I think Orbea is simply getting ahead of the European regulations that they believe (or know) will come into effect next year, limiting the power of electric bicycles to 750W.

I think it's a smart move on their part, although, as always, some will like it and others won't.

 

[Lumassa]

I think Orbea is simply getting ahead of the European regulations that they believe (or know) will come into effect next year, limiting the power of electric bicycles to 750W.

I think it's a smart move on their part, although, as always, some will like it and others won't.

I think exactly like you

 

[ShapeThings]

Surely that will be for the Euro market only?

Not that I want/need all the power, my Avinox is detuned pretty heavily, but I do use full power turbo class 3 when I drop down to a sketchy winding highway shared with cars.

 

[404]

I think Orbea is simply getting ahead of the European regulations that they believe (or know) will come into effect next year, limiting the power of electric bicycles to 750W.

That is something bosch started and wants. there is no regulation on the horizon.
even if they lobby enough and get a law. this will take years. and old bike would not be affected.

do i need 1500W ? only for very short boost time. 30s or so. otherwise no.
do i want a custom firmware with all the disadvantages ? (less updates, more problems, propriatary shit? ) - NO !

for me a custom software would be a dealbraker. not less power