Levo SL Gen 1 Levo SL 2023 Megathread

guglez said:
I'm not sure about this, but in my typical ride I use 10-20% of my battery at best, I have 0 range complaints. The capacity is only relevant if you riding in a big mountains or doing self shuttling. But even then my personal record was 100% to 13% in one riding session in a nearest bike park. At the end I was deadly tired and fully satisfied. I also believe if you take a rather big battery and calculate Wh per kg - it does not mean that with the same tech you can achieve the same Wh numbers for a smaller battery.
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In terms of the bell curve you are a loooong way off centre... But you are quite right that energy density at the pack level doesn't scale very linearly at lower capacities. Casing, connectors, mounting points and BMS are going to become a larger proportion of the mass.
 
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I use 100perc. of my 320WH battery on my Kenevo SL every single ride, no hyperbole :- ) 90KG heavy, and for every 30KM I need to do roughly 1000 verticals. But for past year I've been becoming more impatient despite getting more fit and use turbo far more often than I did in past years. I mostly ride with extender all the time except for shuttled bikeparks.

I will probably upgrade to avinox not because I need more power, (and if, +20 nm would be enough) but because I feel the integrated 700W battery would be very nice to have. I just want to bigger rides and do more trails runs back to back.

If SL category is to survive, it should move to 480/560 WH like TQ bikes already did.
 
I think a 70-80nm and 500ish watt (with 300% support capability) motor would be a nice target for a newer gen of SL bikes. Pair that with a 500-600wh battery with optional range extender and fast charging capabilites and I think it would strike a nice balance.
 
guglez said:
I'm not sure about this, but in my typical ride I use 10-20% of my battery at best, I have 0 range complaints. The capacity is only relevant if you riding in a big mountains or doing self shuttling. But even then my personal record was 100% to 13% in one riding session in a nearest bike park. At the end I was deadly tired and fully satisfied. I also believe if you take a rather big battery and calculate Wh per kg - it does not mean that with the same tech you can achieve the same Wh numbers for a smaller battery.
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It depend on how you ride. I often do 60km+ rides and over 1300 meters of vertical, and that pushes the limits of the range of the current SL battery.
 
I did today, on my wife's brand new Amflow PX Medium. I set it up fully the same as my Kenevo SL, with same ZEB fork.
Here is comparison for anyone:

- This bike must measure geometry different to other brands, or to Specialized. The Medium Amflow with 455mm reach felt almost two sizes smaller than my Medium/S3 KSL with 460mm reach. And I don't mean seated position, but actual reach while standing on pedals. I will try to measure this manually because something doesn't add up. The bike is super small.

- It's not that much front heavy as I expected, the 700W battery is fairly well balanced into frame.

- It's super smooth in delivery, ridiculously well. I would not call it unnatural, I would say it's absolute state of art, it's miles above every other engine I tried. It has zero unintended overrun, something Mahle engine with the single magnet just cannot compete with. But it does have quite pressure or what to call it when you run into 25kmh limit, unlike the Mahle which I never even notice. I would not call the engine pleasant to pedal in off mode or after limit.

- I tuned my wife's bike to be 21.5 KG (pedals included) with older ZEB and still the same heavy supergravity radial tires mostly by carbon wheelset, carbon bar and tubeless setup. To get this under 21KG would require trail setup which I am not fan of.

- Even with 170mm ZEB and mullet setup, it rides like trail bike with quite "above bike", not "inside bike" feel. It's not mini-enduro in any way at all, which surprised me. I wonder if it's the Float-X tune or what. I feel like the BB could be lower.

- And ultimately, even for such light-weight full-fat setup, the bike is very much full-fat in nature and behavior. I am not sure I am convinced... I wasn't super awed. I was ready to ditch my Kenevo SL and get on DJI bandwagon but now I am not sure. That light-weight experience isn't there. My KSL is almost 20KG with pedal and yet it feels rather like normal bike. This at 21.5KG does feel like every other full-fat, just super refined.

So yeah, DJI is the next best thing and other engines may as well stop selling, but SL category isn't dead as I thought. Right now I will still keep my Kenevo SL for some time as I ponder my upgrade path.
 
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My SL1.1 motor is getting rather noisy of late.
Has anyone managed to get an SL1.1 bike upgraded to a 1.2 motor through official channels?
Assuming that still isn't an option. I'm going to open up my 1.1 motor and see if I can lubricate it to help.
Has anyone done this themselves? Any tips? Any idea what lubricant it wants?
 
G-Sport said:
My SL1.1 motor is getting rather noisy of late.
Has anyone managed to get an SL1.1 bike upgraded to a 1.2 motor through official channels?
Assuming that still isn't an option. I'm going to open up my 1.1 motor and see if I can lubricate it to help.
Has anyone done this themselves? Any tips? Any idea what lubricant it wants?
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My suggestion would be to send it to eBike Repairs and Servicing (Home)
 
George_KSL said:
I did today, on my wife's brand new Amflow PX Medium. I set it up fully the same as my Kenevo SL, with same ZEB fork.
Here is comparison for anyone:

- This bike must measure geometry different to other brands, or to Specialized. The Medium Amflow with 455mm reach felt almost two sizes smaller than my Medium/S3 KSL with 460mm reach. And I don't mean seated position, but actual reach while standing on pedals. I will try to measure this manually because something doesn't add up. The bike is super small.

- It's not that much front heavy as I expected, the 700W battery is fairly well balanced into frame.

- It's super smooth in delivery, ridiculously well. I would not call it unnatural, I would say it's absolute state of art, it's miles above every other engine I tried. It has zero unintended overrun, something Mahle engine with the single magnet just cannot compete with. But it does have quite pressure or what to call it when you run into 25kmh limit, unlike the Mahle which I never even notice. I would not call the engine pleasant to pedal in off mode or after limit.

- I tuned my wife's bike to be 21.5 KG (pedals included) with older ZEB and still the same heavy supergravity radial tires mostly by carbon wheelset, carbon bar and tubeless setup. To get this under 21KG would require trail setup which I am not fan of.

- Even with 170mm ZEB and mullet setup, it rides like trail bike with quite "above bike", not "inside bike" feel. It's not mini-enduro in any way at all, which surprised me. I wonder if it's the Float-X tune or what. I feel like the BB could be lower.

- And ultimately, even for such light-weight full-fat setup, the bike is very much full-fat in nature and behavior. I am not sure I am convinced... I wasn't super awed. I was ready to ditch my Kenevo SL and get on DJI bandwagon but now I am not sure. That light-weight experience isn't there. My KSL is almost 20KG with pedal and yet it feels rather like normal bike. This at 21.5KG does feel like every other full-fat, just super refined.

So yeah, DJI is the next best thing and other engines may as well stop selling, but SL category isn't dead as I thought. Right now I will still keep my Kenevo SL for some time as I ponder my upgrade path.
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I have a KSL 1.1 (had to buy a replacement for a Levo SL2) and to me the Amflow felt „right“ immediately. However I loved the Levo SL and never liked the KSL as much, as it was too much bike for most of what I‘m riding. To me the Px pro felt much more like the Levo SL than the KSL. Not as good but close enough. Plus the large battery and all the power in the world when I want it…if Specialized had updated their SL lineup w/ 500+ wh batteries and at least 60NM, I would have bought another Specialized. They didn’t so Amflow it is (plus lots of upgrades for the parts I don’t like)
 
drive2race4fun said:
I have a KSL 1.1 (had to buy a replacement for a Levo SL2) and to me the Amflow felt „right“ immediately. However I loved the Levo SL and never liked the KSL as much, as it was too much bike for most of what I‘m riding. To me the Px pro felt much more like the Levo SL than the KSL. Not as good but close enough. Plus the large battery and all the power in the world when I want it…if Specialized had updated their SL lineup w/ 500+ wh batteries and at least 60NM, I would have bought another Specialized. They didn’t so Amflow it is (plus lots of upgrades for the parts I don’t like)
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Wouldn't really be an SL then though would it? There's loads of bikes that are close to this but if you want a true SL (under 18kgs) there is very little choice.
 
G-Sport said:
Wouldn't really be an SL then though would it? There's loads of bikes that are close to this but if you want a true SL (under 18kgs) there is very little choice.
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No it’s not a real SL and it doesn’t ride as good downhill. It’s a somewhat light full power ebike. It‘ll allow me to ride technical uphills and I‘ll be able to ride way more with the larger battery.
 
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