Carbon or Alloy (another one!)

JonnyManc

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Hey guys

I'm in the market for a new eeb and wondering whether to go carbon or alu!?
I ride mainly in the Lake District and a lot of the trails are loose and rocky.
My e160 has a nice chip on the seat stay from my last ride.... Which makes me a little nervous about going carbon.....

Thoughts?

Thanks
 
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I have had carbon fibre (CF) framed bikes since 2014 (YT Capra, Whyte T130, Focus Jam2, Merida eOne Sxty, Santa Cruz Vala). I would have zero concerns with buying another CF bike.

I first went to CF when I was riding mtbs and was chasing weight reduction (and my income was a bit higher). By the time I got to emtb, CF seemd like a no brainer to me, I have had zero problems with CF frames (nor other CF components either). I have had the odd paint chip (what bike doesn't) in places where I failed to put helicopter tape, but no penetrating impacts, no cracks radiating, none of the usual horror stories that you can scare yourself with.

In 2010 I bought a Kona Dawg Supreme. It had a scandium dosed aluminium alloy frame that was supposed to be as strong and nearly as light as CF, but the paint chipped mercilessly. Too late, I discovered the use of helicopter tape to protect the frame. I have been using it ever since. I even got into the habit of appyling a double layer on the underside of the down tube. Belt & braces, I know.

But of course you can now get bikes frame wrapped. They sure look better finished off than the ones I hand applied helicopter tape to, but I am not convinced that the framewrap is better from a protection viewpoint. But I do concede that it may be as good. My latest bike came already fitted with framewrap and I'll see how I get on. But I may still apply an extra layer of helicopter tape on the underside of the downtube. It's a hard habit to break. :giggle:

PS: Even if I had an alloy frame bike, I would still apply the helicopter tape, or the frame wrap, whatever. I see the tape and/or framewrap as surface finish protection not protection from major impact. If I wanted that, then even with an alloy frame, I would be adding downtube protection of a serious nature. Products from Rockguard for example, or go DIY and simply zip-tie cut down tyres to the frame. Tyres without the beads are extremely flexible. They can easily be cut with a decent pair of scissors or a craft knife. They look cool.
 
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I only buy carbon and have never had issues. I would buy an alloy eMTB (regular MTB...only carbon) but they are always spec'd with low-end parts.
 
I bought my first e-MTB this year. I hadn't ridden a bike in 3 years. I didn't want to spend too much because I was afraid of losing motivation, so I bought a Turbo Levo Gen 4 Comp Alloy. I enjoyed riding an e-bike so much that I made several upgrades to my bike. I changed the derailleur to a GX AXS, the cranks to a GX, the rear shock to an X2 Float Factory, the fork to a 38 Factory, and the dropper post to a Reverb AXS, in addition to buying a reach extender. If I were to change e-bikes today, I would certainly go for a carbon one. It may not be the most economical option, but I am very happy and satisfied with my aluminum one.
 
Which can be replaced with really nice parts of course.
Easily yes, but buying a high-end groupset + fork PLUS a high end wheelset would run a ton more than buying the high-end full bike. I'd rather have all that up front now, having built at least 20 frames up from scratch with high-end parts.
 
Easily yes, but buying a high-end groupset + fork PLUS a high end wheelset would run a ton more than buying the high-end full bike. I'd rather have all that up front now, having built at least 20 frames up from scratch with high-end parts.
Do not want carbon frame.
 
Easily yes, but buying a high-end groupset + fork PLUS a high end wheelset would run a ton more than buying the high-end full bike. I'd rather have all that up front now, having built at least 20 frames up from scratch with high-end parts.
I get the meaning.... About the best I've seen so far is the orbea wild h10....
 
In an eMTB, the weight does not matter as much- carbon or alloy. You can get the alloy and upgrade it later. Alloy bikes do not sell much here in the US- carbon is king (people prefer higher end parts and a frame that is two lbs lighter..most alloy built are low end) but some will buy the alloy version, ride it for a year, and upgrade parts. It is like the manual transmission...sales are terrible so most manufacturers do not even bother with them here.

The Orbea is a popular and good bike. A chip in the paint is not a big deal. I have dented an alloy frame- also not a big deal unless in a weight bearing area. With either carbon or alloy, you can use Ridewrap to protect it. In 20 years and probably 40 MTBs, I have yet to crack a frame here in Colorado, and it is rocky. Paint is another issue unless you Ridewrap it. I do Ridewrap usually. When I don't, I always get paint chips eventually.
 
Aluminum and CF tend to be stiff, we need a lightweight steel frame with some compliance :)
That really depends on what and how you ride. If its a FS, the steel argument is reduced significantly.

I've broken more alloy frames than Carbon, for that reason, i'll stick with my carbon choices.
 
CF unless you cant afford it
What an elitist attitude , i for one have an alloy frame because i have dented scratched and hammered so many alloy frames in the past and kept on going ive had carbon frames in the past and damaged them we are all different
i also dont like the lack of warning carbon frames and components have when breaking at least you generally notice a crack on an alloy component .
Money has nothing to do with my choice otherwise i wouldnt let the butler ride my bikes ;)
 
Easily yes, but buying a high-end groupset + fork PLUS a high end wheelset would run a ton more than buying the high-end full bike. I'd rather have all that up front now, having built at least 20 frames up from scratch with high-end parts.
The parts I have on my eMTB are exactly what I want and few of them are specified on even "high-end" eMTBs.
 
The parts I have on my eMTB are exactly what I want and few of them are specified on even "high-end" eMTBs.
I have done that over and over but no need anymore. The higher end versions of bikes I like are all carbon and have all the parts I like. They sort of used to be that way even when I was buying alloy frames and building them up. I do not use uncommon stuff anymore though. I still do use Chris King hubs if I build wheels but DTs are fine. My next eMTB will be the Trek or the Yeti MTe...both are spec'd fantastically. I could not do better. I change the saddles, and off I go. I guess I just built up way too many bikes and spent way too much money.
 
What an elitist attitude , i for one have an alloy frame because i have dented scratched and hammered so many alloy frames in the past and kept on going ive had carbon frames in the past and damaged them we are all different
i also dont like the lack of warning carbon frames and components have when breaking at least you generally notice a crack on an alloy component .
Money has nothing to do with my choice otherwise i wouldnt let the butler ride my bikes ;)
Carbon is lighter for the same strength or stronger for the same weight. It can be formed into optimal designes with optimal material thickness in exactly the place it is needed making frames lighter and stronger.

Its also worth noting thst the alloy frame will fail catastrophically well before the stronger Carbon frame does.

Carbon can be fixed /repaired at home with hand tools without the need for expensive outwork like heat treatment.

A carbon e bike built with carbon parts can be up to 1kg lighter than the equivalent alloy frame/build, on a heavy ebike thar much weight difference matters to the feel and performance.

Ill take a lighter, stronger easily repairable material over a heavier, weaker, expensive and usually not practical to fix material any day.

But hey, it aint cheap.....

The old addage "light,cheap, strong you can only pick 2"works here.....
 
Stronger and more durable, unless the force comes from an unexpected direction !
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Carbon fiber also can be sculpted into any shape so carbon fiber frames have better aesthetics, better integration, better aerodynamics. Aluminum frames fabrication have limitations and compromises when it comes to shapes and integration. At some point aluminum frames become more expensive to produce than carbon fiber so you usually do not see the same level of those properties among aluminum frames.

Some manufacturers try to mimic aluminum frames to carbon frames an kind of replicate the carbon fiber frame shapes releasing two close looking frames at the same time, but that is just marketing thing to attract people giving them an illusion they get a frame with similar properties for less money.

If you want most for you buck you better stay off from those mimicking each other frames models come in carbon and aluminum at the same time and purchase a frame comes in one flavor optimized for the material and technology used for this frame rather than optimized for marketing. With those double flavor marketing frames you will end up paying more for less regardless of the material choice. But if illusion makes you happy you certainly can spend your hard earned money on such frames, you pick your pill.
 
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