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Range of Avinox M2s with 600wh battery
- Thread starter FJ836
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@FJ836 Honest answer: there isn't a lot of published range data specifically for the M2S + 600Wh combination yet - the M2S only launched in 2026 and most bikes shipping with it use the 800Wh pack. The 600Wh option is less common, so real-world comparisons are thin on the ground.
What I can tell you from verified specs: The motor
The M2S is battery-conditional on output. With the 600Wh pack (which DJI rate at 600Wh nominal), sustained output is lower than with the 700Wh FP700 pack - the 1,500W / 150Nm Boost figures require the FP700. I can't quote you an exact confirmed wattage cap for the 600Wh pairing without a verified source, so I won't invent one.
Range ballpark My range estimator puts a 600Wh pack on mixed terrain at roughly 30 - 35km in normal riding. For vertical metres, real-world eMTB data broadly suggests 1,500 - 2,500m of climbing per 600Wh depending on rider weight, assist mode, and gradient - but that's a wide bracket and the M2S's higher power draw at full chat will push you toward the lower end if you're leaning on Boost.
What would help narrow it down • Which assist mode you typically ride (Eco vs Trail vs Sport)
• Your weight + bike weight • Terrain (consistent climbing vs mixed)
There's no published M2S + 600Wh range review I can point you to with confidence yet. Worth watching Rob Rides EMTB and similar channels - that data will emerge as more 600Wh-equipped bikes get tested.
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Thanks for your first resume.........
Regarding your questions:
Which assist mode you typically ride (Eco vs Trail vs Sport):
Mostly Eco and a tuned Trail Mode, think of 90nm and 600watts as the maximum .... most of the ride will be something like 60nm and 300-400w output
• Your weight + bike weight • Terrain (consistent climbing vs mixed):
My weight: around 80kg + Bike around 22-23kg
Climbing will be 95% on fire roads in the alps (can get really steep)
@FJ836 Good detail - that actually narrows things down usefully.
What your setup looks like in practice: • Total system weight: ~103kg (80kg rider + 22-23kg bike). That's meaningful on alpine gradients.
• Your power ceiling: Tuned Trail at ~60Nm / 300-400W most of the time, with occasional 90Nm / 600W bursts. That's a disciplined approach - you're not hammering the pack continuously.
• Terrain: 95% sustained climbing on steep alpine fire roads. This is the range-killer scenario: high load, low recovery, no descents to breathe. Range estimate with 600Wh:
At 300-400W average motor output over sustained climbing, a 600Wh pack is effectively doing real work the whole time. Rough working: • At a steady ~350W motor output, 600Wh gives you roughly 1.5-1.7 hours of pure climbing.
• On steep alpine fire roads (say 8-12% average), 103kg total at eMTB pace might net you 1,000-1,500m of vertical per charge - leaning toward the lower end given the sustained load and gradient.
• Distance will be modest - perhaps 20-30km depending on gradient. I want to be honest that this is an estimate from first principles, not a published M2S + 600Wh alpine test. That data simply doesn't exist publicly yet.
The honest concern: For alpine touring with 95% climbing and no recharge mid-ride, the 800Wh pack would be the more sensible choice for your use case. The 600Wh is workable but you'll be watching the battery on longer days.
@FJ836 No worries - that's actually a significantly better picture for the 600Wh pack. Repeated 300-400m climbs with trail descents in between is a very different energy profile to sustained all-day ascending. You get partial recovery time on the descents (motor off, pack resting), and the total energy demand per outing depends on how many laps you're doing rather than one long haul.
Revised estimate for your setup: At 103kg total, tuned Trail mode averaging ~60Nm / 300-400W, on alpine fire roads:
• Per 300-400m climb: roughly 80-120Wh consumed, depending on gradient and how hard you push the motor on steep pitches • 600Wh pack: realistically 4-6 climbs of that type before you're hunting for single digits
• Descents: negligible consumption - you're effectively getting free rest between efforts So in practical terms: a typical day of 4-5 laps with 300-400m each is very achievable on 600Wh at your power settings. That's 1,200-2,000m of total climbing per charge, which is a solid alpine day by any measure.
Where it gets tight: if gradients are consistently steep (12%+) and you're regularly hitting the 90Nm / 600W ceiling on the steeper pitches, you'll be toward the lower end of that bracket.
As @action99's post notes for Swiss alpine riding, zero charging infrastructure en route is the norm - so knowing your per-climb consumption matters. The 600Wh looks workable for your use case as described.
@FJ836 Glad it was useful. Sounds like the 600Wh is a reasonable fit for how you ride - disciplined power settings, sensible lap lengths, and the descents giving the pack a breather between efforts.
Enjoy the Alps. If real-world numbers turn out different once you're actually riding the M2S, or you want to revisit anything, tag me again.
andreaverona
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you have to ask some m2s users the range thay can do with 75%...... forget highpivot/idler with 600wh battery in my opinion....
anyway 700wh px battery is the sweet spot for me
anyway 700wh px battery is the sweet spot for me
@andreaverona Fair points, both of them. The 75% output cap on the M2S with the 600Wh pack is worth flagging - @FJ836 had been asking about range with that battery, and if real-world M2S users are finding the motor runs at reduced output with it, that's directly relevant to his use case. I mentioned the battery-conditional behaviour in general terms earlier but didn't have a confirmed percentage figure to quote - if you've seen that 75% number from M2S owners, it's worth him knowing.
On the high-pivot / idler point with 600Wh - the weight penalty is the obvious argument. A high-pivot platform is already heavier than a conventional layout, and pairing it with the smaller pack just compounds the range anxiety without saving much mass overall. The 700Wh FP700 is the battery that unlocks full M2S output (1,500W / 150Nm in Boost) and sits at a more sensible weight-to-range trade-off for that kind of bike.
Sounds like your Forbidden CorE experience has shaped that view too - you'll know better than most what a heavier, idler-equipped chassis does to your energy budget on a climb.
andreaverona
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It's not so much a question of greater weight due to the existence of the idler, but of greater overall friction and consequently more drag.
Maybe I explained myself poorly, but it will be difficult to find someone with a 600 battery and the m2s... 99% of sales will be with the 800, so to understand the range of a 600, it's best to ask an 800 user how much range they get with 75% of their battery.
My Forbidden Core with m1 is wonderful, but the idler offers considerable resistance.
Maybe I explained myself poorly, but it will be difficult to find someone with a 600 battery and the m2s... 99% of sales will be with the 800, so to understand the range of a 600, it's best to ask an 800 user how much range they get with 75% of their battery.
My Forbidden Core with m1 is wonderful, but the idler offers considerable resistance.
@andreaverona - fair correction, and you're right on both counts.
On the idler friction point: I framed it as a weight argument in my previous reply, which missed what you were actually saying.
The real issue is mechanical drag, not mass.
Tested real-world data on the Forbidden shows that to achieve the same output power at the wheel, you need roughly 6 more watts at the crank compared to a conventional drivetrain - about 2.3% additional power required.
The Forbidden's idler runs 16 teeth, which is on the smaller end, and smaller pulleys cause more drag.
On an acoustic bike that's an acceptable trade-off for the suspension benefits.
On an eMTB, that parasitic drag runs continuously whenever you're pedalling, quietly eating into your range budget every single climb.
Point taken.
Since the RS600 is currently rare in the wild, finding an 800Wh user and asking what they get at 75% battery is a much more practical way to triangulate real-world range - the power draw and riding conditions will be directly comparable.
Your CorE experience with the idler bearing issues is a useful data point here.
The friction isn't just theoretical.
andreaverona
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I'm waiting for jank components to release their idler to test.
@andreaverona Sensible approach. The Jank Components idler is worth watching precisely because aftermarket options that reduce friction rather than just swap one source of drag for another are still fairly rare.
Given your hands-on experience with the CorE's bearing seat issues, you're probably better placed than most to evaluate whether an aftermarket solution actually improves things or just relocates the problem. When it does land, the key thing to test will be whether it runs measurably cooler/freer under load on a sustained climb - not just how it feels on a pre-ride spin in the car park.
If you do get to test it, post the findings. Real-world drag data from an idler-equipped Avinox bike on alpine climbs would be genuinely useful context for threads like this one.
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