2026 motor rumors
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bmwpowere36m3
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More power that's "legal"... boom 2026.
Patience of a saint!
Blownoutrides
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Almost bought that bike but the post-meal python downtube kinda left me at half mast.
Brian Cahal loved it though. Was head and shoulders favorite on his ebike shootout.
Strange how the Yetis and Norcos look way better with the same battery (?)
How much does a slightly skinnier but longer same-weight battery really affect performance? I'm with you... looks aren't the top priority but if we're dropping ~$10k on a bike it wouldn't hurt if it's easy on the eyes.
Seeing "new" Canyons being released with battery improvements but still with the Shimano ep6 and ep801 does give me hope that they are still in the game (Shimano, not Canyon).
Strangely silent from the Japanese giants though...
Strangely silent from the Japanese giants though...
Canyon is in a tough spot at the moment. Shimano was the one motor maker that did not offer a battery package, instead they let the bike maker outsource their own battery. This sounds great, but in reality having a 3rd party build you an EMBT battery with the motor manufacturer out of the picture was a disaster just waiting to happen and Canyon was the victim. Canyon has lost millions as a result, because they couldn’t sell EP Shimano bikes and had to put stop use on the ones they sold. To their credit they made things right with a new battery which was no easy task since the company that made the defective ones basically bailed on Canyon.
Canyon is using up inventory and once that’s done I think they will not be using Shimano like everyone else. Shimano’s EP line are good motors but they have not kept pace with everyone else by a wide margin and the bike makers have abandoned them. They will need to make a MAJOR investment at this point and somehow they will also need to bring in all the bike makers that dropped them.
I could be wrong, but I don’t think Shimano will have any footprint in the EMTB world and may just focus on the commuter bike market where they still have some traction.
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I noticed a new motor unit, DU-EP810, listed in Shimano’s official technical documents, but I haven’t been able to find any specs or other info yet. Has anyone seen anything credible, or heard any rumors?
Thanks a lot - this is very interesting information!
Also a new DU-EP610 is listed in this document.
Friends and colleagues of us wil be on the Eurobike exhibition (the worlds largest bike exhitibion) in Frankfurt on June 24th (where Shimano normally has released new products in the last years, like the venerable DU-EP801 in 2022, so 4 years ago) and so maybe (hopefully) there will be some surprises.
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I’d be interested to see what they do.Thanks a lot - this is very interesting information!
Also a new DU-EP610 is listed in this document.
I wil be on the Eurobike exhibition (the worlds largest bike exhitibion) in Frankfurt on June 24th (where Shimano normally has released new products in the last years, like the venerable DU-EP801 in 2022, so 4 years ago) and so maybe (hopefully) there will be some surprises.
Conservative and “ordinary” or cutting edge and pushing the boundaries?
Time will tell I guess.
Due to the wording "DU-EP810" and (not e.g. DU-EP900) I guess rather "conservative", so "evolution" rather than "revolution". But that is just a simple personal guess...
But evolution would be better than nothing...
Don't think Shimano are attending Eurobike this year iirc.Thanks a lot - this is very interesting information!
Also a new DU-EP610 is listed in this document.
Friends and colleagues of us wil be on the Eurobike exhibition (the worlds largest bike exhitibion) in Frankfurt on June 24th (where Shimano normally has released new products in the last years, like the venerable DU-EP801 in 2022, so 4 years ago) and so maybe (hopefully) there will be some surprises.
I think it's fine if the outside form factor of the motor remains the same but the internals and torque/power numbers will need a big boost. Better batteries and a more modern display also. Can't see them winning back any brands without this.
First Shimano publicly stated that they will not attend at Eurobike this year, but they currently have releaded that THEY WILL (but only with a smaller booth in the outside area and not occupying most parts of a complete exhibition hall like in the last years)...
...exactly - Avinox and Bosch are far ahead currently...
I think it’s clear that Shimano’s focus is on non MTB e-bikes, last time I checked they had approx a 20% share of the global e-bike market.
Bosch, Shimano and Bafang were the Top 3, but the picture is of course very different even in the last year in the higher end EMTB space with Bosch and Avinox being the big players.
Shimano are another very diverse global brand, (albeit bicycle components and fishing tackle) and for now EMTB doesn’t seem very high on the priority list, but I’m sure they’re watching.
Bosch, Shimano and Bafang were the Top 3, but the picture is of course very different even in the last year in the higher end EMTB space with Bosch and Avinox being the big players.
Shimano are another very diverse global brand, (albeit bicycle components and fishing tackle) and for now EMTB doesn’t seem very high on the priority list, but I’m sure they’re watching.
I think you should be able to get these (spare-) parts from the German dealership of the "new" YT - headquarter in Germany (again).I'd be happy just to get a wiring harness and parts in general for my TY Decoy core 4 yr 2024 and it's Shimano system
At least I have listened to these words from the old and new CEO Markus Flossmann in some YouTube interviews with him some weeks ago (should be in one of these)...
Hope he did like he promised...
Canyon is simply using up inventory from the ‘stop use” back in the day. I think they are offering a very good and affordable bike that would make most buyers very happy. With that being said, Canyon is basically in recovery mode as the battery problem cost the company about $14 million. Once they get past this nightmare you’ll see some new stuff that won’t contain a Shimano motor.
I completely agree and assume the same.
I also assume that the battery nightmare (which I think Canyon managed in a very transparent, reliable and customer-friendly way, even if it took quite long time and many involved owners maybe didn´t see it like that) was quite costly for Canyon in definitely in the range of many millions. However, do you have any "official" link to the $14 millions?
I again agree with this statement and believe in the same, however, is there any evidence or information already that Canyon will not use Shimano drive units anymore in the future?
Avinox had Canyon listed as a partner on their website although still no sign of a bike.
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