So frustrated that i didn't wait for the PX

Astro66 said:
Thanks. All I needed to know ........ :ROFLMAO:

Only kidding. You sound like an old school MTB rider. And there is nothing wrong with that. Lower powered EMTBs will be perfect for you.

I'm a technology advocate. I want EMTBs pushed to be cutting edge. Avinox appears to be more focussed on that. So yes. We have very different perspectives.
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You certainly sounded bias.
It's good for all have options ;)
Now, don't forget to enjoy what you have. Cheers!

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Like how the threads gone from some guy feeling bad about a purchase to random people saying why they love bosch motors. "Heres all the reasons!" no one cares, the guys talking about new vs old amflow."

No need to disespear.
M2 and M2S riders will certainly join the group, once Avinox makes "absolete" with the the release of M3... 2 year time?
 
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I'd say concentrate on getting better, a more "skilled" rider as a new motor, whatever the make or power doesn't have a mode for that.
The original bike/motor is crazy good anyway.
 
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I love the form factor and weight. I don't really care about the higher power, because my experience has taught me I rarely use full power on the trails, if at all, because of range and efficiency. and that's with 750 watts; being in 1300 watts is going to absolutely ***murder*** your battery life, there is just no way around it. So, to get any range at all, especially with the 600 battery, I think people will find themselves pushing the power way, way down, probably to around 750 legal range, and at that point, it's al the same except for the unchangeable things like form factor, size and weight.
 
This may or may not make you feel better.

A good or bad e-bike is a lot more than the motor/battery. The geometry and kinematics are much more important for performance.
The bike you purchased was nowhere near the "best" ebike you could purchase.
The amflow gen 1's are essentially a knockoff of a stumpjumper, which is the most vanilla trail bike money can buy. Decent at everything, great at nothing. The px is an improvement, but still not near the front of the pack.
Run what you've got, have fun !
 
Honestly, when comparing the amflow bikes, it makes sense to be bummed to have the old tech. The bike is mediocre at best and out-dated as a bicycle and has design decisions on it that are sub-standard. To that end, the only interesting or novel part of an amflow bike is the drive unit/system.

That's one of the biggest gotcha's of buying bikes right now based of the majority of your purchasing decision being based on the drive unit. That's only enough to keep your interest and desire as long as it's the new hotness. If you're buying an ebike because it's the bicycle you want first, and has a drive unit that checks the boxes you were looking for second... when a new one comes out, you still have the bicycle you wanted.

So yeah OP... I feel for you. You own a boring bike, with what was an exciting drive unit and now is not as exciting. The good news and the bad news is that you still own exactly what you bought. You are the one that gets to decide if that's a good thing or not. For me, I have an ebike that is not the new hotness of drive units... but my god is it an amazing bicycle... and I am still stoked about it's build quality, suspension performance, front/rear balance, fit/kinematics and how reliable it is. The drive unit just mixes into the soup of why I love my ebike... and yes, there are others out that are also rad, but this one is the bike I wanted and bought and I am still stoked on it.
 
ebsocalmtb said:
Honestly, when comparing the amflow bikes, it makes sense to be bummed to have the old tech. The bike is mediocre at best and out-dated as a bicycle and has design decisions on it that are sub-standard. To that end, the only interesting or novel part of an amflow bike is the drive unit/system.

That's one of the biggest gotcha's of buying bikes right now based of the majority of your purchasing decision being based on the drive unit. That's only enough to keep your interest and desire as long as it's the new hotness. If you're buying an ebike because it's the bicycle you want first, and has a drive unit that checks the boxes you were looking for second... when a new one comes out, you still have the bicycle you wanted.

So yeah OP... I feel for you. You own a boring bike, with what was an exciting drive unit and now is not as exciting. The good news and the bad news is that you still own exactly what you bought. You are the one that gets to decide if that's a good thing or not. For me, I have an ebike that is not the new hotness of drive units... but my god is it an amazing bicycle... and I am still stoked about it's build quality, suspension performance, front/rear balance, fit/kinematics and how reliable it is. The drive unit just mixes into the soup of why I love my ebike... and yes, there are others out that are also rad, but this one is the bike I wanted and bought and I am still stoked on it.
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Great reply. All riders should choose bike first (handling, geo and build quality) and motor second.
 
It's wild that you are this obsessed with having the "best" bike, and yet you bought a no-name Chinese knockoff bike.

It was pretty clear at the beginning that the Amflow frames were just a vessel to display the motor while they waited to form partnerships with real bike brands. They made no effort at all to make the frame competitive or interesting in any way. And yet the power of consumerism never ceases to amaze... the moths have flown straight to the flame.

And the fact that you think the next best solution might be to double down and buy another one. My gosh.

Not sure if I am mad at DJI for exploiting the consumers, or grateful for them exposing this tragic behavior. I do hope ultimately your lesson from this is to contemplate your priorities. Money absolutely CAN buy happiness, but not the way you're usin' it.
 
venturavin said:
It's wild that you are this obsessed with having the "best" bike, and yet you bought a no-name Chinese knockoff bike.

It was pretty clear at the beginning that the Amflow frames were just a vessel to display the motor while they waited to form partnerships with real bike brands. They made no effort at all to make the frame competitive or interesting in any way. And yet the power of consumerism never ceases to amaze... the moths have flown straight to the flame.

And the fact that you think the next best solution might be to double down and buy another one. My gosh.

Not sure if I am mad at DJI for exploiting the consumers, or grateful for them exposing this tragic behavior. I do hope ultimately your lesson from this is to contemplate your priorities. Money absolutely CAN buy happiness, but not the way you're usin' it.
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I will not buy an ebike any time soon (prefer to spend my bakarus on other things that don't depreciate as much as in 386/486/Pentium PC era), but I don't find the new Amflow frames a vessel.

If you look carefully, it seems a mix of Levo3 and Levo SL.
- Adjustable geometry (HA & CS)
- Removable or Internal Battery
- 27.5 or 29 at the back
- Full Carbon
- 4K for entry level - Now this is just extraordinary. All Avinox bikes, at this price level are alloy (but some with the M2S).

Amflow for me, it's not the motor power, but rather the frame package and felixibility to setup to your liking or terrain, and the "Supercharging" capacity (Bosch @4A vs Avinox @12A), with a portable size and weight charger.

Power? Mehh...
My Bosch is detuned from only 600W, and only use Full Power on really techy stuff.

I think Avinox is chassing the low/mid price market, using an appealing frame, a motor system that is normal to be seen on high price bikes. Basically a Great Value, for "Low Price".
 
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ebsocalmtb said:
Honestly, when comparing the amflow bikes, it makes sense to be bummed to have the old tech. The bike is mediocre at best and out-dated as a bicycle and has design decisions on it that are sub-standard. To that end, the only interesting or novel part of an amflow bike is the drive unit/system.

That's one of the biggest gotcha's of buying bikes right now based of the majority of your purchasing decision being based on the drive unit. That's only enough to keep your interest and desire as long as it's the new hotness. If you're buying an ebike because it's the bicycle you want first, and has a drive unit that checks the boxes you were looking for second... when a new one comes out, you still have the bicycle you wanted.

So yeah OP... I feel for you. You own a boring bike, with what was an exciting drive unit and now is not as exciting. The good news and the bad news is that you still own exactly what you bought. You are the one that gets to decide if that's a good thing or not. For me, I have an ebike that is not the new hotness of drive units... but my god is it an amazing bicycle... and I am still stoked about it's build quality, suspension performance, front/rear balance, fit/kinematics and how reliable it is. The drive unit just mixes into the soup of why I love my ebike... and yes, there are others out that are also rad, but this one is the bike I wanted and bought and I am still stoked on it.
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That has to be the biggest bunch of B.S. I’ve read in quite a while. Be an independent thinker and choose what you like.
 
I’m currently riding a 2020 YT Decoy and just ordered a Pivot Shuttle Ampd pro. It’s going to be a big upgrade for me. Not sure what you were riding before the PL but I’m assuming it was a big upgrade also. There will always be a better bike. Crap some people are happy with their Huffy with a Bafang hub motor.
Be grateful that you can afford such an amazing bike.
Ride Tough
 
Hi, first post on here.

I just ordered my first ebike. It’s the new px carbon. I chose it cause it’s a decent weight, useable base geo with a fair bit of adjustability, seems like value for money and the motor/electrics/user interface is meant to be good. A decent all rounder on paper so took a punt and ordered it blind in XXL.

Should have it early next month.

I did consider radder bikes from cooler brands but I don’t need 180mm travel and I really don’t need to wait 5 months at least.
 
I just got my PX Pro, i had a PL pro (600w) and sold it to get the PX pro

On the PX..
The PX is a better bike in every way, the suspension is more compliant, changeable Geo is a win, i run 29 all round and the stays in the longest setting, it climbs so much better than the PL, that would be lifting the front on steep climbs and the PX does none of that. The motor is near enough silent, going up and down, is also a massive win for me, i hate rattles.
The extra power for me is not important, i never ran the PL at more than 600w as i prefer a harder workout, same applies on the PX, so the power is a bit of a waste. Bigger battery is nice, but not essential for me, oh and it looks much sleeker with the smaller battery profile

Was it worth the upgrade.... The release of the PR and PX and all the other brands selling Avinox motors (M2 and M2s) on cheaper bikes has completely killed the market on not just used Amflows, but all EMTBs. I took a hit on selling the PL compared to just 1 month before the PX came out., it was such a stark drop the moment the release and reviews came out !

If i had just bought a new PL, i would not sell it and switch, you will take a MASSIVE hit and the PL is still an amazing bike and motor, if i had not ridden the PX i would struggle to say there was anything actually wrong with the PL at all, it was such a massive step up from my previous Orbea Rise. The PX is 100% the next step up in near enough every way, but it will be an expensive switch from a already amazing bike.
 
Looking forward to some real world range results... hint hint to all of you who have this bike!!
 
haromania said:
Looking forward to some real world range results... hint hint to all of you who have this bike!!
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I can only comment compared to the 600w and obviously the 700 is much better. What I can say is - like for like, with the same components on the bike - the new PX Pro weighs the same as my old PL Pro - which is def a bonus - bigger battery and new motor
 
This is part of the tech cycle that is our world nowadays. I bought my PL Pro during the extended black Friday of last year. In the northeast I don’t do a lot of winter riding so the bike basically sat looking beautiful and waiting for me while I wrapped it and did some basic upgrades. Now it’s spring time in ct USA and I’m getting some riding in on my brand new bike with only 30 miles on it. It is a true game changer from the Luna X2 I had. I’m a much better rider on it and I am taking on trails that I would only walk.

The same thing that I get - oh I wish I waited for the iPhone 18, oh if only I had picked this video card instead of that last GEN video card all of those things are part of the upgrade cycle we have to endure. I was a little horrified when I saw the two new models, one of which would’ve been a great fit, but I’m going to enjoy this one for at least a few years.

The used market is so poor for E bikes. I basically sold a $5000 built Luna X2 for $2000 with just 300 miles on it. It makes me wonder where these deals are when I’m shopping.
 
I'm already waffling if I want to drop $10K this season on my first ebike, or hold out one more year. Hahaha.

For me, battery/range is everything. Unless that 700W gives me range that exceeds what I think is possible... combined with the fact I ain't dropping $10K again anytime soon for another bike, if ever....

...has me weighing my options.

...look forward to the real world rides being posted!!
 
perry311079 said:
I Just got the PL Carbon Pro ten days ago and all the info and reviews said it was one of the top if not THE top rated EMBT.

Just 32 miles and 6 days later the PX Carbon Pro launches and i am struggling with huge buyers remorse.

Hindsight is wonderful but to bring out a new flagship in less than 18 months is going to really annoy us M1 owners.

I asked Amflow directly if they sell the M2S motor but they say its not compatible with the M1 (despite YouTube sayig otherwise).

Not sure what to do now. Do i just cut my losses and sell it to put towards a PX or just live with obsolete tech?
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Step out of the matrix, they got you sucked in.
 
dma550 said:
This is part of the tech cycle that is our world nowadays. I bought my PL Pro during the extended black Friday of last year. In the northeast I don’t do a lot of winter riding so the bike basically sat looking beautiful and waiting for me while I wrapped it and did some basic upgrades. Now it’s spring time in ct USA and I’m getting some riding in on my brand new bike with only 30 miles on it. It is a true game changer from the Luna X2 I had. I’m a much better rider on it and I am taking on trails that I would only walk.

The same thing that I get - oh I wish I waited for the iPhone 18, oh if only I had picked this video card instead of that last GEN video card all of those things are part of the upgrade cycle we have to endure. I was a little horrified when I saw the two new models, one of which would’ve been a great fit, but I’m going to enjoy this one for at least a few years.

The used market is so poor for E bikes. I basically sold a $5000 built Luna X2 for $2000 with just 300 miles on it. It makes me wonder where these deals are when I’m shopping.
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Yep.

Really there is a great argument to be made for just buying the one that is on sale and always being a hair behind the latest and greatest. That's what I do with mobile phones for example, and it saves a lot of money, and I don't miss the features I never had.

I'm still stoked on my 2-month-old Bosch Wild, but I bought it to ride all Summer then blew my knee out on my second ride. Doctor is telling me I won't be able to ride proper like until 6 months post-surgery and it's already been 6 weeks since the injury and I don't get surgery until June! So how old will the bike be once I start really riding it!
 
Most people who are serious about mountain biking DGAF about their phone compared to their bike. Not the best example because I doubt anyone ever lists their phone as something their passionate about.
 
haromania said:
Most people who are serious about mountain biking DGAF about their phone compared to their bike. Not the best example because I doubt anyone ever lists their phone as something their passionate about.
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I'm a total gear hound as well, love the toys. Tinkering with them, dialing them, buying crap for marginal gains, etc. I get it.

But you'd be surprised to learn that you will have just as much fun and go just as fast on last year's model, as long as it's dialed in.

I'm passionate about riding and being outdoors; the bikes however I really enjoy but they are just the tool after all.
 
venturavin said:
Most people who are serious about mountain biking don't buy Amflows.
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Out of curiousity, it would be helpful to see the data behind the survey regarding emtb purchases. Could I ask what defines the term "serious" , is it spending serious money, taking oneself "too serious" or , having serious fun. It would help to qualify the statement as coming from a reliable source or in support of an agenda. Full disclosure I ride a Bosch Gen5, never rattled and never will :) Although I am thankful for the (early adopters) that are working out the kinks of the M2S.
 
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