If an EU legislator clocks that the M2S is actually rated at 1300W continuous not 250W - Avinox powered bikes in most of Europe will require registration, tax, MOT, and a driving license - that would definitely affect Avinox sales...
If you are referring to Europe it's hardly a region. Double the population of the USA in fact. OTOH Arizona is a region, and yes I'd agree that the risk of handicapping the bike industry by the introduction of new regulations should not be based on what suits an individual region.
Should I start the MS3 rumors thread or do you want to?
all of the current e-bike motors can go above the “continuous 250w and 16mph.” I almost guarantee a lot of you guys complaining have derestricted bikes.
I was referring to the UK, but of course Europe is a region!
Yes. Enforcing against the throttle is the way to go. I've ridden Surron-type bikes with pedals and they are are effectively unusable without using the throttle. Having Class 2 ebikes in the US is a real problem because its keeps throttles in play in the ebike space.
Yes, it is crazy and weird that you've gone to the trouble of looking up the definition of a region to make a point. Er, what was the point ?
I simply asked Siri. Figured a prop would help people understand things better.
Bravo. Absolutely spot on.
Should I start the MS3 rumors thread or do you want to?
Biggest hurdles for an MGU is going to be added weight and unless they can fix the drag issue that's been around for decades the MGU is going to eat battery to overcome that. As lame as derailleurs are they're very light in comparison. Even if they can shave a lot of motor/battery weight, add an MGU you're right probably right back at 50-55 lbs. And if they can shave that kind of weight off battery/motor give me a derailleur and a much lighter bike.
MGU's will likely also require big changes to manufactures current frame and possibly suspension designs. Overall not a bad thing but there's a lot of cost and time associated with that, unlike dropping an Avionix in place of a Bosch like so many did for last weeks tidal wave of new releases.
Red herring. What’s happening is people are lobbying for industry wide power and speed limits, and pointing to potential regional issues as evidence why it needs to happen.
the Avinox M2S is advertised as having 1300W continuous in Turbo (I still can't understand how it's trail legal here) - and that's before it's been de-restricted.
Technology allows manufacturers to set power and speed limits according to location. No need for an international standard.
IMO, it’s a bad thing and may lead to closure of trails to all EMTBs. I’m lucky to have a few trails close by to ride my Gen 2 Levo but they’re already abused by electric motorcycles. Again IMO AVINOX could have helped the EMTB community more my building smaller, less heavy motors so EMTBS are closer in weight to my analog MTB. Until then, no thanks AVINOX.
They could've built compact, lightweight, lower-power motors, but I don't think consumers want those nearly as much. They did the right thing by catering to what the market is demanding. Avinox's reason for existence isn't to shape legislation; their core mission is selling motor systems. A new high-power motor best achieves that objective.
I have to agree that I don't want to see limits put on the motor manufactures, but they should be focusing on designing and making smaller sized motors & batteries.
You added "new" not me. I'm only pointing to the hottest thing happening in MTB... More capable motor systems.It is not a new hot product category, it's been there for years - just buy an electric motorcycle, that will solve your problem
It is very likely that DJI will indeed indirectly 'shape legislation', and most likely in ways that you and many others will not like.
Where we differ is i don't believe increased trail restrictions are "very likely" at all! I contend trail access will continue to expand despite more powerful motors becoming prevalent. If increased regulations are proposed, I'll work to squash the proposals through the democratic process. I don't know how to combat manufacturers self regulating, unless it's not universal and I can just avoid their product like I'm doing now with Bosch.
I mean that's literally already in place and used on it. I don't get why that needed to be clarified? I was just using an international standard as a solid reason for them to need to regulate the power, each region of course could have their own and again the over the air update would do it based on region the bike was in. My whole point is that if bosch can roll out a way to add power then there's nothing that wouldn't be possible the other way if legislation puts a cap on it so it's not the doom and gloom of dji killing the industry, it's just a push to establish regulations and they can comply with a little programming.
