New YT Decoy X Avinox Lanched

[west]

Would have been epic with the 700wh battery and just de-tune it for longer range.

 

[Freddy-mountain]

Missed opportunity in my view. Great look but for this weight/€ there is a lot of competition out there

 

[mooby77]

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https://www.yt-industries.com/E-MTB/Avinox-Decoy-X/Launch-Edition

too heavy , too expensive , too much of a risk

 

[Bogdan_CH]

26 kg for a small … this is a joke

 

[Mr Tonka]

That's disappointing.

 

[Vision_Tim]

Terrible marketing tagline. Terrible.

 

[501AM]

26 kg for a small … this is a joke

For sure not the lightest bike out there, but it's more or less the same weight as the most expensive Commencal Meta Power SX with Avinox that goes for +2500€ more (~11000€) and also uses the Fox Podium, that one weighs 25 kg vs 25,4 kg on the Decoy X.

EDIT: Forgot that the size small on the Commencal only have a 600wh battery, so it may in-fact be even heavier than the YT with the 800wh battery.

 

[Bogdan_CH]

Not praising the Commencal as well . For a general Large size, this bikes would be heavy to move around.

 

[DylanJM]

How light can you realistically make a full power alu framed enduro emtb? I think 24kg is prbably the lower limit currently, maybe 23kg with a 600wh battery.

Some of the carbon framed Avinox enduro bikes are 23-24kg.

 

[Bogdan_CH]

To answer your question:

 

[501AM]

I think both those have 600wh as standard, and 800wh as an option, so the Ekano AL Enduro will be over 24kg with a 800wh battery.

 

[ribtek]

Agreed. Too expensive too heavy. The PR looks like a much better deal.

 

[Yotaismygame]

Missed opportunity in my view. Great look but for this weight/€ there is a lot of competition out there

I agree. Seeing Yt respond to comments about weight is funny. They almost made a sick bike. Might as well buy the commencal. Pretty similar. Unless they did a decent spec build and it was way cheap but still heavy I don’t know who’s interested in that.

 

[DylanJM]

Agreed. Too expensive too heavy. The PR looks like a much better deal.

I mean if the Amflow PR was built to the same spec as the Decoy it would be heavier and more expensive. Not really a fair comparison.

 

[ah1]

Terrible marketing tagline. Terrible.

Only now that you said it, I understand why!

 

[ribtek]

I mean if the Amflow PR was built to the same spec as the Decoy it would be heavier and more expensive. Not really a fair comparison.

I mean, if the Decoy was carbon like the Amflow, it would also be even more expensive than it already is. Not fair comparison either. Point is, in my opinion, this YT is a very poor value and poor proposition. I won’t prevent anyone from buying it though, go ahead

 

[Astro66]

I mean if the Amflow PR was built to the same spec as the Decoy it would be heavier and more expensive. Not really a fair comparison.

My Carbon 180/178, High Pivot Teewing Flux Enduro with 800Wh battery, Fox 38 fork, Fox Float X shock, DD casing Maxxis Tyres, is 22.9kgs Vs 25.4kgs for the YT. Price wise it's also £5250 Vs £7400 for the YT.

Then there's YT's financial record. It's not a good buy any way you look at it.

 

[ah1]

With all this discussion about weight etc - Do people out there still trust the YT brand? I mean - how gullible can you be? I totally understand if they priced it 40% below everyone else - I can see people willing to take the risk. But starting at 8500 EUR - seriously? This is a brand and CEO that promoted a killer sale days before they knew they'd file for bankruptcy. There's no "fool me once" here - YT will do whatever it takes to keep afloat, including screwing their "family" customer base. But if people still trust them enough to pay 8500 EUR and up - I guess evolution is working...

 

[Astro66]

With all this discussion about weight etc - Do people out there still trust the YT brand? I mean - how gullible can you be? I totally understand if they priced it 40% below everyone else - I can see people willing to take the risk. But starting at 8500 EUR - seriously? This is a brand and CEO that promoted a killer sale days before they knew they'd file for bankruptcy. There's no "fool me once" here - YT will do whatever it takes to keep afloat, including screwing their "family" customer base. But if people still trust them enough to pay 8500 EUR and up - I guess evolution is working...

I don't see anyone but the YT diehards buying this bike. It makes no sense.

 

[ichauchtt]

To answer your question:

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Where did you get these from? Can't find them on the homepage?

 

[DylanJM]

My Carbon 180/178, High Pivot Teewing Flux Enduro with 800Wh battery, Fox 38 fork, Fox Float X shock, DD casing Maxxis Tyres, is 22.9kgs Vs 25.4kgs for the YT. Price wise it's also £5250 Vs £7400 for the YT.

Then there's YT's financial record. It's not a good buy any way you look at it.

You've bought the base level Flux iirc? Again not a fair price comparison. If your Flux was similarly spec'd it would probably come out at the same price and also weigh more. I'm not a YT fanboi by any strech of the imagintion but Teewing is a new company with very little track record they could be gone two years from now so makes no sense to use them as a comparison for how risky it might be to buy from YT. If you said Specialized, Trek or another well known and time proven brand you might have a point.

EDIT. The pro spec Flux is listed at €8,999 on Teewings site, so more expensive than the YT and has a cheaper fork, drivetrain and brakes than the YT.

 

[DylanJM]

With all this discussion about weight etc - Do people out there still trust the YT brand? I mean - how gullible can you be? I totally understand if they priced it 40% below everyone else - I can see people willing to take the risk. But starting at 8500 EUR - seriously? This is a brand and CEO that promoted a killer sale days before they knew they'd file for bankruptcy. There's no "fool me once" here - YT will do whatever it takes to keep afloat, including screwing their "family" customer base. But if people still trust them enough to pay 8500 EUR and up - I guess evolution is working...

There are lower priced models coming in the summer.

 

[Astro66]

Again not a fair price comparison.

We agree on you cannot compare them. One is an alloy long travel EMTB that weighs 25.4kgs. The other is a carbon long travel, high pivot EMTB, that weighs 22.9kgs. Other than entry level bikes. Does anyone buy 25kg+ EMTBs anymore ?

I'll admit to buying cheap EMTBs as my first EMTBs that weighed 25kgs+. But once you own a full power 160\150 EMTB that weighs less than 21kgs. I never want to lift another one of those heavy beasts again. I would literally buy a MGU EMTB if they weren't so heavy.

Anyway. Maybe I'm wrong and a few will be sold, and actually delivered.

BTW. Teewing has a factory team that won UCI WES 2025 World Cup races. They have no history of forfeiting orders and deposits placed by their customers. And in Australia you buy them through a large bicycle chain, who also has no history of taking customers money, and giving them nothing in return. So yes. I trust that retail chain and Teewing. YT ? Not so much.

 

[hanszielarz]

too heavy , too expensive , too much of a risk

Wheight is not always a bad thing. In my experience aluminum and heavier bikes feel better going down.
As far as brand... well... personal matter of trust.

 

[Itto]

I would have preferred a lighter weight. But for comparison, the cheaper Velduro Rough also weighs 23.9 kg in carbon and without the heavy Fox Podium fork. Very downhill-oriented bikes are simply heavy.

 

[Astro66]

Weight is not always a bad thing.

It is when your 60yo and need to pick it up ......

 

[501AM]

A German bike magazine has tested it, I must say I really dig the look of it.
YT Decoy X – Traumausstattung für 8.499 Euro: Dieses Full-Power-Enduro setzt ein echtes Zeichen

 

[Ribinrobin]

With all this discussion about weight etc - Do people out there still trust the YT brand? I mean - how gullible can you be? I totally understand if they priced it 40% below everyone else - I can see people willing to take the risk. But starting at 8500 EUR - seriously? This is a brand and CEO that promoted a killer sale days before they knew they'd file for bankruptcy. There's no "fool me once" here - YT will do whatever it takes to keep afloat, including screwing their "family" customer base. But if people still trust them enough to pay 8500 EUR and up - I guess evolution is working...

same with canyon, battery fires, snapping frames, but at least they reduced the price of the bikes after their issues

 

[west]

How light can you realistically make a full power alu framed enduro emtb? I think 24kg is prbably the lower limit currently, maybe 23kg with a 600wh battery.

Some of the carbon framed Avinox enduro bikes are 23-24kg.

I'm hoping to see more alu bikes coming out with the 700wh battery. It's quite a bit lighter than the 800 and also allows for less material in the downtube. The battery capacity doesn't bother me since you can lower the power easily for longer rides.

 

[Veefour]

With all this discussion about weight etc - Do people out there still trust the YT brand? I mean - how gullible can you be? I totally understand if they priced it 40% below everyone else - I can see people willing to take the risk. But starting at 8500 EUR - seriously? This is a brand and CEO that promoted a killer sale days before they knew they'd file for bankruptcy. There's no "fool me once" here - YT will do whatever it takes to keep afloat, including screwing their "family" customer base. But if people still trust them enough to pay 8500 EUR and up - I guess evolution is working...

Fool me once, shame on- shame on you. Fool me- you can't get fooled again.