Velduro Rogue 170/165 mullet Enduro with DJI

[sethimus]

real life geometry measurements, of course slightly off again from the official velduro numbers

 

[Filth_88]

real life geometry measurements, of course slightly off again from the official velduro numbers

I thought the measured geometry was very close to Velduro. I’ve seen a lot of their videos where they measure bikes which are significantly more off stated by the bike company.

 

[Taxi Man]

real life geometry measurements, of course slightly off again from the official velduro numbers

It was pretty close. The X2 may not be giving the full 65mm too. It does seem each publication has slightly different readings for true real world readings. The bike comes from the same mould so its clear that each measurement we get is more likely to be slightyly flawed than 100% accurate. For those that are stressing on size Ive found the L to be an excellent fit for 181cm.

 

[Filth_88]

It was pretty close. The X2 may not be giving the full 65mm too. It does seem each publication has slightly different readings for true real world readings. The bike comes from the same mould so its clear that each measurement we get is more likely to be slightyly flawed than 100% accurate. For those that are stressing on size Ive found the L to be an excellent fit for 181cm.

Have you found/installed any protection for the motor/chainring area?

 

[Taxi Man]

Have you found/installed any protection for the motor/chainring area?

No I haven't. Thought about but have not done it. TBH Ive never run any protection there in the last 15 years and never had any hits that have done chainring or in the last 3 years, motor damage. Touch wood.

 

[breakthebeta]

When will these be available in the USA? I checked their website and was about to order frame only for $5000 USD but it's not available to ship anywhere other than NZ.

 

[Chairman]

No I haven't. Thought about but have not done it. TBH Ive never run any protection there in the last 15 years and never had any hits that have done chainring or in the last 3 years, motor damage. Touch wood.

Yeah I'm with you on this one. My chainring and chain are the guards. Never seen the need to run anything and never had an issue. The way I see it a chain guard would only make things lower and consequently easier to hook up

 

[Astro66]

Yeah I'm with you on this one. My chainring and chain are the guards. Never seen the need to run anything and never had an issue. The way I see it a chain guard would only make things lower and consequently easier to hook up

It really depends on the terrain you are riding. I had an impact on my chainring that bent not only the chainring, but the avinox spider. I also have had little nicks taken out of the chain, which then causes wear to the $600 cassette.

I installed this homemade timber guard, and you can see the wear and impacts. I've been running this for about 9 months. I did replace the timber guard once after a big impact caused a larger split. But this one has been on for about 5 months. Takes me about 20 mins to whip one up using a jigsaw and some decking board offcuts, that I have heaps of.

It literally only protrudes a few millimetres higher than the chainring, and you slide over things much easier than sliding on the chainring.

The confidence this has given me when climbing a big vertical obstacle has vastly improved my climbing. It also has given me the confidence to roll off any drop, not caring at all about damage to the bike. You can literally see the gouges I've caused in the guard doing this. If I break the the timber guard. I just make a new one when I get home. And being under the motor. You literally cannot see it's there, unless I turn the bike over.

 

[slickrock]

Have you found/installed any protection for the motor/chainring area?

You can order your bike with with a custom chain guard from Velduro that mounts to the underside of the motor cover. This has been covered several times earlier in the thread that you can search for and get some some detailed pictures.

When will these be available in the USA? I checked their website and was about to order frame only for $5000 USD but it's not available to ship anywhere other than NZ.

There was a period when it was possible to deal directly with Velduro in China, but that door is closed now as Velduro is eyeing an official distributor for the USA.

 

[Filth_88]

It really depends on the terrain you are riding. I had an impact on my chainring that bent not only the chainring, but the avinox spider. I also have had little nicks taken out of the chain, which then causes wear to the $600 cassette.

I installed this homemade timber guard, and you can see the wear and impacts. I've been running this for about 9 months. I did replace the timber guard once after a big impact caused a larger split. But this one has been on for about 5 months. Takes me about 20 mins to whip one up using a jigsaw and some decking board offcuts, that I have heaps of.

It literally only protrudes a few millimetres higher than the chainring, and you slide over things much easier than sliding on the chainring.

The confidence this has given me when climbing a big vertical obstacle has vastly improved my climbing. It also has given me the confidence to roll off any drop, not caring at all about damage to the bike. You can literally see the gouges I've caused in the guard doing this. If I break the the timber guard. I just make a new one when I get home. And being under the motor. You literally cannot see it's there, unless I turn the bike over.

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I agree that it depends on the terrain

 

[Filth_88]

You can order your bike with with a custom chain guard from Velduro that mounts to the underside of the motor cover. This has been covered several times earlier in the thread that you can search for and get some some detailed pictures.

There was a period when it was possible to deal directly with Velduro in China, but that door is closed now as Velduro is eyeing an official distributor for the USA.

I saw a custom one on the Velduro Australian site, but they do not dusty to New Zealand. I’ve asked the NZ branch if they are going to sell them also, but have not received a reply.

 

[sethimus]

I agree that it depends on the terrain

if you don't need a bash guard for your terrain the rogue is the wrong bike for you.

 

[Taxi Man]

if you don't need a bash guard for your terrain the rogue is the wrong bike for you.

Next to no one uses them in Rotorua Sethimus. Guess where Velduro HQs closest forest is......its Rotorua!

 

[Suns_PSD]

if you don't need a bash guard for your terrain the rogue is the wrong bike for you.

I can only assume that some people have large obstacles but absolutely no chunk.
Can't survive on the aggressive tails here without a bash guard, that's for sure.

 

[W4S]

if you don't need a bash guard for your terrain the rogue is the wrong bike for you.

that's such an ignorant comment. jfc, at least I get to block your spiteful, idiotic comments on vital. before you decide to fire off your reply.

 

[sethimus]

 

[emtbeast]

A question for all of those that are already riding the Rogue as the their first ever ebb with an idler pulley.

Do you feel the idler in the pedals when pedaling, especially climbing, is it annoying enough to be a deal breaker if you(me) really hate any extra noises on the bike.

How is the longevity of if, someone already had to replace it?

How is it's placement when it gets dirty on the trails?

Any other things about it that are worth mentioning?

 

[cozzy]

A question for all of those that are already riding the Rogue as the their first ever ebb with an idler pulley.

Do you feel the idler in the pedals when pedaling, especially climbing, is it annoying enough to be a deal breaker if you(me) really hate any extra noises on the bike.

How is the longevity of if, someone already had to replace it?

How is it's placement when it gets dirty on the trails?

Any other things about it that are worth mentioning?

I saw this post on fb. Don't know if the idler is a proprietary part, hopefully not.

 

[breakthebeta]

I'm surprised the idlers are made of aluminum. Since they're the first thing inline with the chainring, there's going to be a lot of torque on it. The weight savings vs steel is negligible at the smaller than chainring size and 1200w of ebike power will definitely wear it quickly.

 

[HiGer]

I'm not convinced that it is aluminum. I read somewhere that in their first prototypes it was, and it was wearing too quickly. So for the actual saleable parts they use steel. Can't find the source though. Can someone confirm?

 

[Red Peekay]

Mine is 2 weeks old - has the DJI branded motor. It rattles but who cares....

Will be interesting to see if Velduro upgrade to the M2 motor once it becomes available. I'm hearing this next iteration of the 2026 Forbidden e-druid will run the M2 upgraded motor (and following suit the E-Dreadnought). The following link provides some interesting discussion and perspectives regarding the Avinox motor upgrades..

https://www.mtbr.com/threads/avinox-motor-guide-rumors-m2-updates-torque-gains-and-trail-discoveries.1243722/

 

[Durrti]

I'm not convinced that it is aluminum. I read somewhere that in their first prototypes it was, and it was wearing too quickly. So for the actual saleable parts they use steel. Can't find the source though. Can someone confirm?

I’m pretty sure it’s steel. It’s fairly heavy.
I’m at over 500 miles on it, zero issues.

 

[HiGer]

Will be interesting to see if Velduro upgrade to the M2 motor once it becomes available.

Mhm, what I heard is that the M2 is going to be a cheaper and heavier motor (but with more torque) for applications like cargo bikes, not a successor for the M1.
As there is no information available other than that an M2 is in development I don't think for frames/bikes arriving at customers in spring we will see a change. Those are either already produced or are in production right now.
Either way, what won me over when test driving another bike with the M1 was not the sheer power but rather the characteristic of power delivery. That sensor disc on the rear wheel is a game changer. All the other motors only get one reading per wheel revolution with their single magnet. Avinox gets what, 42? And they know how to use this extra information. So I will be happy with an M1.

 

[slickrock]

Fortune cookie Taoist proverb: "Those who know do not talk, and those who talk do not know"

 

[Taxi Man]

Fortune cookie Taoist proverb: "Those who know do not talk, and those who talk do not know"

Well thats the end of our thread I guess

 

[Red Peekay]

Mhm, what I heard is that the M2 is going to be a cheaper and heavier motor (but with more torque) for applications like cargo bikes, not a successor for the M1.
As there is no information available other than that an M2 is in development I don't think for frames/bikes arriving at customers in spring we will see a change. Those are either already produced or are in production right now.
Either way, what won me over when test driving another bike with the M1 was not the sheer power but rather the characteristic of power delivery. That sensor disc on the rear wheel is a game changer. All the other motors only get one reading per wheel revolution with their single magnet. Avinox gets what, 42? And they know how to use this extra information. So I will be happy with an M1.

Speaking to my LBS regarding my previous but now cancelled Forbidden Druid Core order (I was out of country in Oz when it arrived and not back until end of March so they have sold it with the view to moving me to the next batch), they stated the next batch of Druid Cores would ship with some updated parts and the new M2 motor (I can't see Forbidden going backwards on the motor).. Hence why I am now also considering the Velduro as an alternative. My LBS has been on the money with regard to these things, so can only go on what he is saying.

 

[Plummet]

I saw this post on fb. Don't know if the idler is a proprietary part, hopefully not.

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High pivots are noisier drive trains because of the idler.... So you get high pivot idler noise and e noise combined,

 

[panaphonic]

I saw this post on fb. Don't know if the idler is a proprietary part, hopefully not.

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Probably from one of the bikes that had the idler alignment issue.

 

[Kenevo]

I received my Rogue last week and as much as it rides awesome there's lots of first model problems if you ask me

*Idler pully not in alignment with chainring causing noise and premature wear
*Seat stay caliper posts too long for the advertised 200mm rear rotor spec - need to run 203mm disc for full pad contact
*Rear axle hit and miss with length
*Motor mount bolt hit and miss with length
*Seat post not able to fully insert because internal bore has daggs left from manufacture
*chain stay rubber protection peels off as soon as your heel catches it

 

[rabitec]

I received my Rogue last week and as much as it rides awesome there's lots of first model problems if you ask me

*Idler pully not in alignment with chainring causing noise and premature wear
*Seat stay caliper posts too long for the advertised 200mm rear rotor spec - need to run 203mm disc for full pad contact
*Rear axle hit and miss with length
*Motor mount bolt hit and miss with length
*Seat post not able to fully insert because internal bore has daggs left from manufacture

These are indeed concerning.

Have you already contacted Velduro about it? Can you let us know what they had to say about it?

Afaik they use the Giant manufacturing line in Taiwan for their frames I would have expected less problems with the frame tolerances.