Levo Gen 4 People keep saying the Levo 4 is heavy but is it?

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Looking at the full fats,
Yeti LTe T3: 51.43 lbs; Trek Rail+ 9.8 AXS GX: 53.31 lbs both bikes with the 800 wh battery. Pivot doesnt advertise the weight of the Shuttle LT with the 750wh. The Canyon Strive On is in the 52 range; The Cube Stereo Hybrid ONE77 is at 54 lbs.
The Levo 4 Expert advertise 53.13 with the 840 Wh.

Aren't full fat just fat and in the 50's anyway, what is 1-2 kg with so much motor power? I understand Pinkbike's complaints about unbalanced suspension, but I am surprised about all the Levo 4 is too heavy comments, unless if its put in perspective with what ideal bike one would want, like yeah, I'd love to have a SL-weight bike with a full fat motor.
 
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Considering the size of the powertrain, I think it weighs what it weighs and is to be expected.

I guarantee if you stripped the bike down and just weighed the frame it would be within 1# of everything else. Spesh frames are very light.
 
Interesting to compare weight with the cube. Similar weight and approaching twice the price.

The Cube Stereo Hybrid ONE77 is at 54 lbs.
The Levo 4 Expert advertise 53.13 with the 840 Wh.

I have noticed that saving weight is expensive, and along with a higher price I would like to see a noticeable weight advantage as a benefit of the additional cost.
 
When a no-name brand "Amflow" comes out with their first bike, a 45 lbs 800 WH bike with the most powerful motor yet, people expect market leaders like Specialized to match them. When they instead went the other way, and made the next gen slightly heavier, I think the reaction to call it heavy is pretty rational. Its heavy compared to the new benchmark, when previously Specialized were the benchmark

That said I like my heavy kenevo and would not trade it for an Amflow, there are other qualities
 
Talking about weight without context is a bit pointless. It's hard to say the Levo 4 is a lightweight e-bike, even compared to other full-power bikes. The comparison with the Amflow is risky, as its trail capabilities are quite different. The Levo 4 is far from a beast to ride, but honestly, you can feel the weight when you have to do a bunny hop or lift the front wheel off the ground. A couple of kilos less would certainly be nice, but in my opinion, the bike is surprisingly enjoyable to ride, despite its weight.
 
Sorry, I can't resist - how about a build with 600 battery, 36 and grid casings? Probably 48 lbs???
 
Ride 2d@y said:
Sorry, I can't resist - how about a build with 600 battery, 36 and grid casings? Probably 48 lbs???
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I believe the fork difference is about 1/2 lb. The 600Wh battery is vapor so that's difficult to estimate but probably around -2.5lb or a bit more savings.
 
Joakim said:
When a no-name brand "Amflow" comes out with their first bike, a 45 lbs 800 WH bike with the most powerful motor yet, people expect market leaders like Specialized to match them. When they instead went the other way, and made the next gen slightly heavier, I think the reaction to call it heavy is pretty rational. Its heavy compared to the new benchmark, when previously Specialized were the benchmark

That said I like my heavy kenevo and would not trade it for an Amflow, there are other qualities
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To be fair from what I recall the Gen 4 S was out and sitting in box’s ready to go before the AMflow came out. But it was delayed due to to much stock of the Gen 3 still around. If they had launched it when it was ready they would have had a good few months head start on the AMflow, instead of playing catch up
 
Even if Amflow didn't exist, a global company with as much experience as Specialized should be able to develop a high-performance e-bike with a correspondingly lower weight and sleeker appearance.

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McInner1 said:
Even if Amflow didn't exist, a global company with as much experience as Specialized should be able to develop a high-performance e-bike with a correspondingly lower weight and sleeker appearance.

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I agree Specialized is capable. The fact that they didn’t indicates their priorities were different. I strongly believe extensive consumer marketing data helped shape the bike you see them selling.
 
It’s just expectations that weren’t met.
Levos used to be the lightest full power e-bikes on the market.
Now the Levo 4 is among the heaviest (motor-battery system hevier then bosch for example).
So some people are disappointed.
 
I'm a big fan of Specialized bikes (had a Demo 8 and SX Trail in the past and loved them both) and the Levo 4 was strong contender for my first ebike, however when I went to check them out in my LBS I just couldn't get over the weight. It felt like trying to lift a small moto-x bike. Sadly I couldn't demo one, as I'm sure you don't really feel the weight when riding it, but I was enough to put me off full fat bikes in general (the Cube One77 and Whyte Kado I checked out also felt like absolute tanks). I did also look at the Levo SL but the small battery was a deal breaker on that.
 
shenzi105 said:
I understand Pinkbike's complaints
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I mean you answered your own question right there. I've been a pinkbike member since 2007 and the entire site is basically a museum of terminally online misery. The community is the kind you could give a million dollars to in a briefcase and they'd still whinge, why a briefcase, why cash, why not crypto, why not a leather handle, why a plastic handle, why not vegan leather, why not eco friendly, why is it heavy, why not a bank transfer, why not donate it, why are you so ignorant to think they need the money? etc

It got even worse since they got bought by outside+ what used to be subtle elitism is now baked into the editorial team and metastasised into comment sections unless it's a predictable pun and would be better placed on reddit. Rule of thumb they hate change unless its their idea of meaningful, or slow, expensive and approved by a swiss carbon layup team, they hate any brands that aren't Yeti, Norco, Unno or Evil, they hate emtb's because there is some weird self punishment masochism around earn your turns they still cling onto like its still 2009, if it's aimed at normal people they deem it immediately as soulless, uninspiring or lacking character, yet they'll forgive anything from fragile carbon and proprietary nonsense as long as the brand runs on vibes and edge instead of effective resilience or delivering what customers actually want and can afford.

It's a community that prides it's self on loving mountain biking whilst simultaneously despising anything that reminds them that other people might be enjoying it differently
 
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On a related topic (to the weight and aesthetics) is the removable battery design - this was one reason I bought Trek Rails, until Levo G4 came along. I look forward to the 600 too.
 
linkqwd said:
It’s just expectations that weren’t met.
Levos used to be the lightest full power e-bikes on the market.
Now the Levo 4 is among the heaviest (motor-battery system hevier then bosch for example).
So some people
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Suns_PSD said:
Considering the size of the powertrain, I think it weighs what it weighs and is to be expected.

I guarantee if you stripped the bike down and just weighed the frame it would be within 1# of everything else. Spesh frames are very light.
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McInner1 said:
Even if Amflow didn't exist, a global company with as much experience as Specialized should be able to develop a high-performance e-bike with a correspondingly lower weight and sleeker appearance.

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I am sure that at some point they will get round to a SL type bike with a powerful battery and motor. the weight just feels “ off out of balance “ on the Gen 4 in comparison to other bikes.
 
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i found levos downhill performance great but as you said it just feels a bit off? heavy? rides heavy? i dont know i cant quite put my finger on it. Im coming from an amflow too i would not buy another amflow but it was a big downgrade if youre a lively rider. My friends a more sit and plough guy and he loves his.
 
Here we go again with the same old story… How many hours have you spent riding the Levo4?

The weight difference between the motor and battery compared to the AMFlow is less than a kilo… Does that extra weight ruin your riding experience?

Could it be that the Levo4's robust build exceeds your needs as a cyclist, and you really only require Trail Light tires, brakes, and suspension? That's where the real weight difference between the two bikes lies!
 
robikinkela said:
Another review where the Levo doesn't come out well...
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I like this guys reviews a lot, and I pretty much ride just like him as well. LMFAO.

Nic definitely notices weight differences, especially up high weight.
 
robikinkela said:
Another review where the Levo doesn't come out well...
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I like that guy's reviews but I hope people realize he used a LBS' Levo 4 Comp demo bike that had significant miles on it. Doesn't negate much of his opinions, but feel he'd have a more favorable impression if he rode a new Levo Expert or higher trim.
 
cañonaco said:
Here we go again with the same old story… How many hours have you spent riding the Levo4?

The weight difference between the motor and battery compared to the AMFlow is less than a kilo… Does that extra weight ruin your riding experience?

Could it be that the Levo4's robust build exceeds your needs as a cyclist, and you really only require Trail Light tires, brakes, and suspension? That's where the real weight difference between the two bikes lies!
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53 vs 45lbs is pretty significant. Mine has DD tires, ext coil, zeb and is 48lbs. You can also fully build an amflow with the best brakes, tires, suspension and be lighter, more powerful, and cheaper than the specialized. It also looks way leaner and rides much more playful than the Levo. Both are still classified as a “trail or all mountain” bike. So to be 53-54lbs as a trail emtb from one of the biggest brands in the business is pretty sad. The pay more to get the higher nm motor is also pretty lame.

They fumbled the levo 4. Every review out there comparing that bike to others agrees with that statement. It’s not a bad bike still. I rode it and didn’t love it but I wouldn’t be mad if I bought one.
 
Brawwp said:
53 vs 45lbs is pretty significant. Mine has DD tires, ext coil, zeb and is 48lbs. You can also fully build an amflow with the best brakes, tires, suspension and be lighter, more powerful, and cheaper than the specialized. It also looks way leaner and rides much more playful than the Levo. Both are still classified as a “trail or all mountain” bike. So to be 53-54lbs as a trail emtb from one of the biggest brands in the business is pretty sad. The pay more to get the higher nm motor is also pretty lame.

They fumbled the levo 4. Every review out there comparing that bike to others agrees with that statement. It’s not a bad bike still. I rode it and didn’t love it but I wouldn’t be mad if I bought one.
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The thing
Ribinrobin said:
Putting my 4 up for sale after 120 something miles, it def ploughs and has great traction but being a regular normal biker it dont quite tick the box for me :(
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i also know to few that have gone down this route and put the Gen 4S up for sale shortly after purchase.
 
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