Avinox M2
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Flash Git
Its all chinese whispers, smoke and mirrors, hearsay and plain old guesswork at the moment.....
Your'l have to hurry up and wait with the rest of everyone else to find out.
Your'l have to hurry up and wait with the rest of everyone else to find out.
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Thank you for the reply!
Yeah I can't find much about it.
Several years ago I bought a Megatower V1, and a few months later the V2 came out. I wanted to try avoiding a similar situation
But if it is going to take until after summer before bikes with this motor come to market, I am planning to buy a Megamo now.
412MTB
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It’s coming out in April. Commencal and Crestline will have it that I know of.
Highland Wheels
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If you want the latest Avinox offering wait until spring this year before buying anything. Sea Otter Classic should have a lot of new stuff announced.Thank you for the reply!
Yeah I can't find much about it.
Several years ago I bought a Megatower V1, and a few months later the V2 came out. I wanted to try avoiding a similar situation
But if it is going to take until after summer before bikes with this motor come to market, I am planning to buy a Megamo now.
If you are happy with the current M1 which is still superb, just buy what you want now.
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Flash Git
No matter when you purchase something new and better will be released shortly after you purchase. That is the nature of a technology product.Thank you for the reply!
Yeah I can't find much about it.
Several years ago I bought a Megatower V1, and a few months later the V2 came out. I wanted to try avoiding a similar situation
But if it is going to take until after summer before bikes with this motor come to market, I am planning to buy a Megamo now.
Decide when to draw the line in the sand and purchase when something tickles your fancy.
Then don't look back. Own it and enjoy it.
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Yeah I agree with that!
But when a new motor comes in 3 months time, I rather wait
I also found that a pity with my Megatower back then
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Flash Git
Fair enough. But does it come out in 3 months? What if its 6 months or 12 months?Yeah I agree with that!
But when a new motor comes in 3 months time, I rather wait
I also found that a pity with my Megatower back then
There is always something new around the corner. The Avinox M1 has probably been tested more than any other e-motor in 2024 and 2025 thanks to Amflow sending their bikes to anyone who was willing to ride and post a review. I saw a lot of reviewers who stated the bike they got looked “well used” when it showed up for testing, yet they all worked flawlessly. As an Amflow owner I can say there is no need for more power and the almost endless tuning you can do means it will fit your riding style very well.
If someone has information of other bike manufacturers stating they are releasing a bike with the M2 motor for 2026 I haven’t heard that anywhere. Maybe I’m wrong, just haven’t see that anywhere. Unless the M2 form factor is going to be exactly the same as the M1, including battery, Manufactures are already locked in and testing 2026 bikes because engineering the frame/suspension around the motor/battery is not a quick process.
I think we might see a slight refresh of the M1 motor/battery internally to improve things and maybe call it the M2 but that’s about it.
If someone has information of other bike manufacturers stating they are releasing a bike with the M2 motor for 2026 I haven’t heard that anywhere. Maybe I’m wrong, just haven’t see that anywhere. Unless the M2 form factor is going to be exactly the same as the M1, including battery, Manufactures are already locked in and testing 2026 bikes because engineering the frame/suspension around the motor/battery is not a quick process.
I think we might see a slight refresh of the M1 motor/battery internally to improve things and maybe call it the M2 but that’s about it.
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dotcodotuk
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Lost track of where it was posted or what the context was, but there was a Forbidden Druid listing showing the M2 motor and people extrapolated from that we may be seeing a downgraded/upgraded/sidegraded motor, with more power/less power/same power and whatever else suits the narrative they want to drive.
Nobody seems to actually know what the M2 is (I'm sure there are people on here who know and have seen it, I know my local Forbidden dealer knows more than he's currently willing to say - or nobody is going to buy their current stock) but you'd expect a slight tweak from Avinox and for it to use the same form factor and thus mounting pattern as nobody is going to be wanting to re-tool their carbon moulds this quickly.
dotcodotuk
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You're talking about the bike, right? This is discussing the motor - so if you want pretty colours for the casing, you'll be somewhat disappointed.
Rumors is M2 is a bit more heavy due to material used therfore cheaper with most lightly less punch.
M2 is for a different marked than M1.
* just rumors like all the other gueses.
M2 is for a different marked than M1.
* just rumors like all the other gueses.
False! The M2 is heavier because it develops more power. This engine is coming and will equip several brands. Here are two examples: Mondraker and Forbidden, but there will be others…
Sorry of course you are right about everything like facts and rumors.
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Thanks for the reply!
Yeah that I would like to know. If it's 12 months I will just buy the M1.
The deal is that the M2 uses the same mounting pattern so it's a direct drop in with no development needed.
These will be in people's garages and on the trails by April 1st.
RickBullotta
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I thought I saw a Pinkbike article that indicated that the bolt pattern would be different. I'll see if I can track it down.
Well, we're not really sure what exactly is going to occur as far as the naming convention.
The M1 might be updated, with an entirely different M2. Or the M1 might be the same and the M2 is now the top dog. Hard to say.
Maybe someone could slyly ask Troyden if they can retrofit the new quiet motor he is using on this production run to their previous Cresty with the DJI?
Weren't the Amflows recently on sale? Going to assume the new motor is the reason why they were blowing them out.
The M1 might be updated, with an entirely different M2. Or the M1 might be the same and the M2 is now the top dog. Hard to say.
Maybe someone could slyly ask Troyden if they can retrofit the new quiet motor he is using on this production run to their previous Cresty with the DJI?
Weren't the Amflows recently on sale? Going to assume the new motor is the reason why they were blowing them out.
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I’m sure Avinox is diligently doing their motor R&D but they don’t have to release anything. Bosch and Specialized I would think are under more pressure to come up with something newer. Avinox is in a position where they can continue with R&D but let the other guys come out with something new. My guess If there is a a so-called M2 in 2027 it will be a mild internal refinement of the motor and the same for the battery. No big changes and the same form factor.
dotcodotuk
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I cannot believe DJI/Avinox would be that stupid - I'd hope that even if the packaging got smaller, there would be some way to mount an M2 on an M1 frame.
It would be such an easy win for them.
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Flash Git
Because we need more power, higher battery usage heavier motors and bigger batteries and dog heavy bikes?
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Flash Git
If it is changed it would likely be because of a engineering requirement not just for shits and giggles.
Make something more powerful you will have to have a bigger heat sink as it will generate more heat and maybe upsize gears, bearings and housing to suit the increased load, maybe a wider and or longer housing ect.....
If I was a bike manufacturer customer of Avinox, I would hate that idea. I need to sell new bikes, not someone else's motor.
John_likes_bikes
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Opposite. Someone in the comments says otherwise but at this point who can really be trusted to know what's true.
Wild guess here but I suspect that Avinox will incorporate the same release clutch similar as the Gen5 Bosch uses. This will allow them to quell the rattle without having to resort to tight gears & seals which lowers efficiency. The small weight gain will put them on par with the Bosch in terms of noise and weight, especially if they can now match Bosch efficiency.
They can accomplish this without altering the bolt pattern, but there might be some width gain. They might also swap some plastic gears (not sure if they have plastic gears) for metal gears so that the motor can remain in the same size, but this will gain weight.
As far as thermal management, the Avinox already does quite poorly at this in the Velomotion tests, but it has very little effect (if any) in the real world just because people don't pedal like that, full power 100% of the pedal stroke. Maybe it should be a consideration if you live in a hot place and need to pedal straight up a mountain in turbo mode on the regular.
There is also a bit of a weight thing with the bash guard situation with the Avinox. You either need to add the E13 bash ring guard (220 grams/ $100) or you'll need a frame extension (i.e. Crestline, Rogue) which also has a weight/ money penalty.
The Avinox power advantage will only increase with the M2.
They can accomplish this without altering the bolt pattern, but there might be some width gain. They might also swap some plastic gears (not sure if they have plastic gears) for metal gears so that the motor can remain in the same size, but this will gain weight.
As far as thermal management, the Avinox already does quite poorly at this in the Velomotion tests, but it has very little effect (if any) in the real world just because people don't pedal like that, full power 100% of the pedal stroke. Maybe it should be a consideration if you live in a hot place and need to pedal straight up a mountain in turbo mode on the regular.
There is also a bit of a weight thing with the bash guard situation with the Avinox. You either need to add the E13 bash ring guard (220 grams/ $100) or you'll need a frame extension (i.e. Crestline, Rogue) which also has a weight/ money penalty.
The Avinox power advantage will only increase with the M2.
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Any manufacturer who is releasing a 2026 bike with a new motor from Avinox would have it in their possession already and would likely have several. This would also be the case for the battery. Engineers need time and testing with frame design which doesn’t happen quickly. I don’t think Avinox has a whole new design for 2026. Maybe 2027 we will see.
slickrock
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This take seems to reinforce the notion that nothing external with M2 has materially changed. Namely, just internal improvements and refinements, which TTYTT is all Avinox needs right now. Some kind of bash guard mount point would be helpful though. No question, that the motor will be out in April at this point. Heading straight to Sea Otter to behold one.
There is an improved motor that will be installed in the Crestie, and probably everything else, available around March or April.
I don't know if it's the M1 or M2, and I don't know if the bolt pattern is the same, but I suspect it's the M2 and it fits the same frame space. I also suspect that the M1 will be discontinued which doesn't matter because the M2 will drop right in its place when needed.
Also, my suspicion is that it's slightly heavier, slightly more powerful, and they will tout that it's now quieter and more efficient than the old M1. Also, I don't believe that the batteries are changing.
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