160mm custom linkage on the way for amflow

[martin_m_bo]

A Guy offers this linkage 160mm for amflow. It is total custom made. You find him on FB
Did someone order it ?


Just an update for everyone interested in the Amflow extender link, thank you all for the overwhelming response. Here I will try to give everyone more information about this product.
• The linkage is made by a new company called 'Velo Dynasty' who are a new bike components company (they are so new that they dont even have a website yet).
• The Linkage will cost USD$290 (previously this price stated does not include shipping BUT it will now include shipping to certain countries). Price of shipping wil be put to a minimum and for Tax reasons it will be labelled as a xmas gift or let us know what you would like it to be shipped as. The link will be shipped by tracked shipping that will need to be signed for when delivered.
• The linkage seen on the photos that I have is a prototype and is silver colour. All shipped linkages will be in BLACK colour which is same as the original linkage. A SPECIAL LIMITED EDITION (FOX KASHIMA) colour will be available only during this Xmas holiday period at a little extra price. • Early orders for Xmas will also recieve a special 'GIFT' included in the package sent.
• The extended linkage will increase the travel by 10mm (from 150mm to 160mm) and will increase the progression of the stroke which will be great for small bumps in the initial compression then stiffer towards the end of the travel to combat bottoming out.
• This extended linkage is a straight swap for the original linkage and will NOT need a new shock to achieve this desired result.
• Bike geometry is practicaly the same for the whole bike including bottom bracket height etc. (there may be discrepancies of a few millimetres here and there)
• These linkages will be shipped out in 20 days time, ready for Xmas! I have tried and tested the prototype linkage and the first feeling I got was it is definately noticable right away when I climbed up the mountain as the traction was way more and felt less harsh on the loose rocks. Then came the downhill. With the 10mm extra travel it felt like it had more than that, the rear wheel was following the ground way better and even on stairs the feeling was less harsh taking away the edge on each bump. Basically the easiest way to explain is that this is the 10mm that Amflow needed to complete the perfect package of this already near perfect bike. I would go as far as to saying that this linkage turns this ebike from an All Mountain short travel ebike to an All Mountain/Enduro Ebike. *Extra Info: I directly swapped both linkages over, used the same shock, didnt change the air presure or change any of the settings on the shock or bike at all and my shock was the stock Amflow shock that came on the Black Amflow. If you are still interested to purchase this product please reply and I will send you a Google link to fill out. All payments will be made by Paypal to secure the transaction and protect buyer and seller. Fist batch will be shipped out in 20 days time. 2nd batch buyers will have to wait untill 2026 and no special colour, only black. I will send a Youtube Link for the test video later.

 

[dreys]

Isn't internet great with everyone and their grandmother claiming to be experts in everything?

No graphs on progression, no data whatsoever, "a few mm here and there". Yeah, that's a exactly a credible info we'd like to see.

 

[martin_m_bo]

Isn't internet great with everyone and their grandmother claiming to be experts in everything?

No graphs on progression, no data whatsoever, "a few mm here and there". Yeah, that's a exactly a credible info we'd like to see.

nobody claimed anything here. I just paste copy what this guy postet to me. So be thankfull for this information or let it be. If you want extra information get yourself in contact ...

 

[dreys]

nobody claimed anything here. I just paste copy what this guy postet to me. So be thankfull for this information or let it be. If you want extra information get yourself in contact ...

Comment wasn't direct at you, but at the linkage. I saw same post on FB, made in China with lots of claims.

Purpose of the reply is to think critically and read between the lines for all claims being made.

 

[martin_m_bo]

Comment wasn't direct at you, but at the linkage. I saw same post on FB, made in China with lots of claims.

Purpose of the reply is to think critically and read between the lines for all claims being made.

Ok then i am sorry i missunderstood you.

 

[martin_m_bo]

here are some graphs Velo Dynasty Bicycle Components

 

[martin_m_bo]

 

[RickBullotta]

TBH, I've ridden a fairly large number of eMTBs, and none handled as well as the Amflow, unmodded. I wouldn't touch or change a thing.

 

[martin_m_bo]

agree amflow is stock a good choice in both specs. personaly i woud only change the brakes to the brand i like.

 

[Plummet]

Amflow is a very light frame, It's designed for mild trail riding not hardcore enduro riding.
Slapping a 160mm link on it and riding it like an enduro bike will lead to increased flex, load and potential failure.

This link will likely void any frame warrantee also... Its a bad idea!

If you want an enduro bike, go and buy one.

 

[Lightme]

It’s a good bike, but the suspension kinematics objectively are not. Might be good for trail riding, but riding the bike down DH trails the problems are pretty obvious. Yes I know it’s a trail bike, but I’m comparing it to other 150mm trail bikes. For instance the Levo is better, the new Forbidden is a miles better platform.

 

[RickBullotta]

It’s a good bike, but the suspension kinematics objectively are not. Might be good for trail riding, but riding the bike down DH trails the problems are pretty obvious. Yes I know it’s a trail bike, but I’m comparing it to other 150mm trail bikes. For instance the Levo is better, the new Forbidden is a miles better platform.

Honestly, it's GREAT for trail riding - and I rode yesterday on some of our gnarlier downhills and my times were right there with my Ripmo. I owned an S-Works Levo also (and a Pivot Shuttle), and I personally think the Amflow handles better overall than both. Perhaps it just fits me and my riding style perfectly. I don't to monster drops or big gaps but I like to go very fast on chunky descents.

 

[Highland Wheels]

Apparently Cascade are releasing a link for this as well, Coincidental timing or?

 

[Plummet]

Honestly, it's GREAT for trail riding - and I rode yesterday on some of our gnarlier downhills and my times were right there with my Ripmo. I owned an S-Works Levo also (and a Pivot Shuttle), and I personally think the Amflow handles better overall than both. Perhaps it just fits me and my riding style perfectly. I don't to monster drops or big gaps but I like to go very fast on chunky descents.

Comparing the Amflow next to the Teewing they are both similar geo, on paper they could be a carbon copy of each other. but the teewing is a lot gruntier frame. There's a lot more carbon. I would feel a lot safer hammering the Teewing than the amflow. The amflow is obviously a light weight trail bike to me, not ment for burly activities. It reminds me of the light weightness of the Orbea Rise of a few years ago before they beefed it up.

Will it rock for its intended purpose? yes absolutely. Trail riding guys ripping greens and blues and mild black trails will have a blast.

But an enduro sled it aint.

 

[RickBullotta]

Comparing the Amflow next to the Teewing they are both similar geo, on paper they could be a carbon copy of each other. but the teewing is a lot gruntier frame. There's a lot more carbon. I would feel a lot safer hammering the Teewing than the amflow. The amflow is obviously a light weight trail bike to me, not ment for burly activities. It reminds me of the light weightness of the Orbea Rise of a few years ago before they beefed it up.

Will it rock for its intended purpose? yes absolutely. Trail riding guys ripping greens and blues and mild black trails will have a blast.

But an enduro sled it aint.

We shall see, cuz it's gonna face a lot more gnar. It's held up well for the first few rides, but the long term test is gonna take a while! I'm only 170 lbs so not overly concerned.

 

[Plummet]

We shall see, cuz it's gonna face a lot more gnar. It's held up well for the first few rides, but the long term test is gonna take a while! I'm only 170 lbs so not overly concerned.

I guess it depends what your level of gnar is.... I too am 170lb and have broken my fair share of bikes and bike parts. I look at the Amflow and think, i would destroy that bike in a short time frame riding the stuff I ride and likely it would cause me to crash and injure myself. Its just too light for any real grunty gnar.

If you are really going to be hitting bigger stuff that bike will hold you back and limit your progression at best and at worst fail and or cause injury.

The thing about light bikes ridden past their intended design purpose is they flex and twist and do funky stuff while flexing and twisting. Often they can spit you off an cause crashes because the frame flexes and rebounds weirdly out of a corner or off rocks or roots. You don't realize that its the bike at the time because you don't have a datum of a better bike... You just think thats how bikes ride and its your skill level limit. Then you upgrade and ride through the same section you have been having trouble on and marvel at the stability and your ability to ride a section you previously struggled or crashed on......

It would be far better to upgrade the bike to something designed to hit chunky stuff. Something with a stronger front end and a stiffer rear end.

 

[Pentti]

I guess it depends what your level of gnar is.... I too am 170lb and have broken my fair share of bikes and bike parts. I look at the Amflow and think, i would destroy that bike in a short time frame riding the stuff I ride and likely it would cause me to crash and injure myself. Its just too light for any real grunty gnar.

If you are really going to be hitting bigger stuff that bike will hold you back and limit your progression at best and at worst fail and or cause injury.

The thing about light bikes ridden past their intended design purpose is they flex and twist and do funky stuff while flexing and twisting. Often they can spit you off an cause crashes because the frame flexes and rebounds weirdly out of a corner or off rocks or roots. You don't realize that its the bike at the time because you don't have a datum of a better bike... You just think thats how bikes ride and its your skill level limit. Then you upgrade and ride through the same section you have been having trouble on and marvel at the stability and your ability to ride a section you previously struggled or crashed on......

It would be far better to upgrade the bike to something designed to hit chunky stuff. Something with a stronger front end and a stiffer rear end.

Check out this guy's vids, you may change your mind (and he's a bit of a unit too)........ Iain Richard

 

[RickBullotta]

I guess it depends what your level of gnar is.... I too am 170lb and have broken my fair share of bikes and bike parts. I look at the Amflow and think, i would destroy that bike in a short time frame riding the stuff I ride and likely it would cause me to crash and injure myself. Its just too light for any real grunty gnar.

If you are really going to be hitting bigger stuff that bike will hold you back and limit your progression at best and at worst fail and or cause injury.

The thing about light bikes ridden past their intended design purpose is they flex and twist and do funky stuff while flexing and twisting. Often they can spit you off an cause crashes because the frame flexes and rebounds weirdly out of a corner or off rocks or roots. You don't realize that its the bike at the time because you don't have a datum of a better bike... You just think thats how bikes ride and its your skill level limit. Then you upgrade and ride through the same section you have been having trouble on and marvel at the stability and your ability to ride a section you previously struggled or crashed on......

It would be far better to upgrade the bike to something designed to hit chunky stuff. Something with a stronger front end and a stiffer rear end.

That's what my Ripmo is for...it's OK to pedal sometimes. ;-)

 

[martin_m_bo]

Here it is cascade link ...

Amflow PL Link | US | Cascade Components

Our link for the Amflow PL is finally here! This linkage increases travel to 160 mm while also offering a bump in progression. If you notice some similarities in leverage curve between this link and our Levo SL link, you'd be right (please don't put a Levo SL link on this bike though). Overall...

cascadecomponents.bike

 

[martin_m_bo]

Velo Dynasty Leverage Ratio

 

[Winford]

Cascade has them discounted 25 in cart, in 3 different colors

 

[Winford]

. I look at the Amflow and think, i would destroy that bike in a short time frame riding the stuff I ride and likely it would cause me to crash and injure myself. Its just too light for any real grunty gnar.

Im going to call BS on this. Im a 189lbs and ride technical at close to race pace, had multiple wrecks, one very fast a few days ago. The bike held up as good as can be expected. Agree that "you think" you would, but in reality the bike is far tougher than you think or posit in your reply. The spokes on the stock 29 rear rim are weak. But that is a simple fix and most riders switch to 27.5 anyway.

If you are really going to be hitting bigger stuff that bike

That is not all the product offers. It will give increase slightly a smoother ride. And decrease chatter on rough sections slightly.

Agree 10mm is not a game changer by any means, but it does help.

It would be far better to upgrade the bike to something designed to hit chunky stuff.

If one thinks this upgrade turns the bike into an enduro, they would sadly be mistaken. It does not.

But a smoother trail bike that soaks up bumps better? that it does. Its probably the cheapest way to add 10mm, making this product cost effective.

Its not substantiated that the bike flexes as much as you think it does

 

[Plummet]

Im going to call BS on this. Im a 189lbs and ride technical at close to race pace, had multiple wrecks, one very fast a few days ago. The bike held up as good as can be expected. Agree that "you think" you would, but in reality the bike is far tougher than you think or posit in your reply. The spokes on the stock 29 rear rim are weak. But that is a simple fix and most riders switch to 27.5 anyway.


That is not all the product offers. It will give increase slightly a smoother ride. And decrease chatter on rough sections slightly.

Agree 10mm is not a game changer by any means, but it does help.


If one thinks this upgrade turns the bike into an enduro, they would sadly be mistaken. It does not.

But a smoother trail bike that soaks up bumps better? that it does. Its probably the cheapest way to add 10mm, making this product cost effective.

Its not substantiated that the bike flexes as much as you think it does

It's all relative to where your datum of what gnar is. Mine is competitive DH racing nationally. So I have a fairly high datum on what is silly is.

For me the 150/160mm amflow is incredibly light weight and not for big stuff. I do concede that I am not the average ebiker and the Amflow would be completely acceptable for the average bloke hitting standard stuff.

My opinion for all bikes is to ride them for their intended purpose. Don't try and make them into something that they are not. Its quite common, particularly for people on this site, to try and make a lighter, shorter travel bike into a bigger hitting bike. They seem to be oblivious to the design intent of the bike and the likely outcomes from taking a bike past its design limits.....

As an example a few months back there was a guy on here who weighed more than the maximum recommended weight for the bike, slapped a 170mm fork on it, thus increasing the leverage and then proceeded to get angry at the manufacturer when the frame broke and he was refused a warrantee.....

 

[Eckythump]

Apparently Cascade are releasing a link for this as well, Coincidental timing or?

Saw a Facebook post from them today saying the same.
It it to increase leverage rate at standard ride height. Doesn’t increase travel.

 

[Winford]

Mine is competitive DH racing nationally

Not what this bike is for. Agreed it would be the wrong choice for you.

My opinion for all bikes is to ride them for their intended purpose

Agreed fully.

As an example a few months back there was a guy on here who weighed more than the maximum recommended weight for the bike, slapped a 170mm fork on it, thus increasing the leverage and then proceeded to get angry at the manufacturer when the frame broke and he was refused a warrantee.....

Not only was the weight a factor, he rode the bike with a loose headset after the fork was installed. And his bike may not have even suffered any frame damage at all, it was probably paint cracks because he continued to ride it despite said cracks without further damage.

For me the 150/160mm amflow is incredibly light weight and not for big stuff

100% agreed.

My whole point is for riders that do push and do go beyond the intended use, the Cascade link will help a little. And anyone who says the frame flexes, could very well be dealing with tire flex and or wheel flexing. A guy who rides the bike for a weekend is not going to give an accurate review. And at race pace on single track, the Amflow is doing a pretty damned good job. And the Cascade link is good money spent for slightly improving the Amflow. But they had me at orange.

 

[Lightme]

It's all relative to where your datum of what gnar is. Mine is competitive DH racing nationally. So I have a fairly high datum on what is silly is.

For me the 150/160mm amflow is incredibly light weight and not for big stuff. I do concede that I am not the average ebiker and the Amflow would be completely acceptable for the average bloke hitting standard stuff.

My opinion for all bikes is to ride them for their intended purpose. Don't try and make them into something that they are not. Its quite common, particularly for people on this site, to try and make a lighter, shorter travel bike into a bigger hitting bike. They seem to be oblivious to the design intent of the bike and the likely outcomes from taking a bike past its design limits.....

As an example a few months back there was a guy on here who weighed more than the maximum recommended weight for the bike, slapped a 170mm fork on it, thus increasing the leverage and then proceeded to get angry at the manufacturer when the frame broke and he was refused a warrantee.....

The reason this bike would not be suitable for you is due to the capability and kinematics of its 150mm, not 150mm in general. I have an Amflow which have modified as much as possible to suit the DH trails I ride. I also have a Druid Core, which is in another league of capability, yet has the same on paper travel.

If you’re saying as an amateur racer 150/160mm is not enough under any circumstances, the problem is not the bike. Charlie Murray and Rhys Verner both podium EDR races on less, and they’ll definitely be riding faster, harder and on more brutal terrain.

 

[Plummet]

The reason this bike would not be suitable for you is due to the capability and kinematics of its 150mm, not 150mm in general. I have an Amflow which have modified as much as possible to suit the DH trails I ride. I also have a Druid Core, which is in another league of capability, yet has the same on paper travel.

If you’re saying as an amateur racer 150/160mm is not enough under any circumstances, the problem is not the bike. Charlie Murray and Rhys Verner both podium EDR races on less, and they’ll definitely be riding faster, harder and on more brutal terrain.

Funny how people on the internet can read something and interpret it an entirely different way.

You kinda confirm my statements of the fact that amflow is a light weight trail bike. All im saying is upping the travel and riding like an enduro bike is a bad idea. It takes it past its design intent which can lead to increased flex and potential failure.

I don't follow the edr or the people you discuss. No doubt they fast af.

Regarding 150mm travel bikes. I agree that the travel alone does not determine the capability of the bike. There are plenty of grunty 150mm bikes around. It has to get pretty hectic before a capable 150mm bike is at a disadvantage. That is typically in the heavy black/double black + rated trails. Then a longer travel bike yields advantages.

But hey i'm a big travel slut that likes to ride the silly so my opinions are biased on riding that stuff. I'll keep riding my 180mm Crestline and loving the fuck out of it.

 

[MityaZ]

more important question now - cascade or velo dynasty?

 

[Highland Wheels]

Surely it would be Cascade given their track record with various other linkages they have brought to market.

 

[Winford]

You kinda confirm my statements of the fact that amflow is a light weight trail bike. All im saying is upping the travel and riding like an enduro bike is a bad idea

I would agree whole hearted if we were upping it 20mm to 40mm. But taking a 160 36 and a 150 rear to 170 38 and 160 rear isnt that much of a difference in the grand scheme of things.

Right away the 38 was a better upgrade than I figured it would be. It just gives the bike more stability in chunk, and way more feedback on what the front tire is doing, plus it opens up line choices you did not have with the 36. im 190lbs and abuse the bike, adding 10mm to the rear is not dramatic enough to turn the Amflow into an enduro. I was bottoming out the 36 on hard hits and errors, and surely a few more spacers would have solved that issue.

More control is what it is all its about, but I will honestly enjoy that 10mm extra by running less air pressure and keeping the bike comfortable for long days in the saddle.

I'll keep riding my 180mm Crestline and loving the fuck out of it.

Sick bike for sure, im sure its fun as hell.