Used it on a ride and so far so good, works as advertised and installation has been a breeze (I'm lucky I have the same exact Cube they use in their training video, so no surprises).
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Derestricting bosch smart system
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Don't understand how he has access to the 64km/h setting
Do you know if he modify the wheel circumference setting ?
I don't think he is using volspeed to achieve what he claims (but are we sure he's not teasing?). With volspeed you can get to 45 but I don't have any desire for that, the standard of 32km/h is perfect imho.
I am currently reviewing this thread. I can confirm that some service centers in Poland are modifying Gen 4 and Gen 5 software to a version adapted to the US market, i.e., with a speed limit of 32 km/h (I wonder if the nominal power is set to 250W or 500W?). What's more, they claim that it is possible to disable the speed limit. They also make changes to settings such as Powermore, lighting, power port activation, etc.
What's more, you can easily update the software if you want to install ABS or electronic derailleurs. The latter is tempting, although I recently ground my derailleur again with a piece of wood. While replacing it with Deore costs pennies, replacing it with a new electronic derailleur is not so cheap, so I think I'll stick with the cable...
Some do it only on site at the service center (you have to bring your ebike to the service center), while a few do it remotely. In the latter case, you need access to a computer running Windows 10 (why not 11 – I don't know...) connected to the bike controller via a USB-C cable. The service is performed remotely, although most likely on the service technician's account.
After changing the software, you can update it to newer versions as usual using Bosch Flow. All languages are available on the displays, including the one you have been using so far. Of course, there is no speed distortion as with chips, no errors, and the motor does not go into emergency mode even when riding at maximum assistance speed for a long time. There is no need to worry that a motor with the American version of the software settings will be blocked in the EU – just as bikes with EU motors will not automatically switch to higher parameters if they are used in the US, bikes in the US will not be restricted if their owner rides them in the EU.
Prices for the service start at PLN 700 to PLN 1000 (€164 - €234) - the price may not be low, but it is comparable to engine controller cheating chips. In addition, unlike chips, there is no risk of engine blockage or error.
Advertisements appear on OLX: link to search engine. These are listings without a price and with a price of PLN 999.
To clarify: no, these aren't my ads
– to be honest, I'm wondering myself whether to take advantage of the change. I wouldn't be so sure that Bosch won't put an end to this type of service sooner or later: by removing access for service technicians performing this type of service or by blocking the possibility of changing the software on US for service technicians from the EU, leaving it only for those who are actually based in countries where the speed limit is higher than 25 km/h.
What's more, you can easily update the software if you want to install ABS or electronic derailleurs. The latter is tempting, although I recently ground my derailleur again with a piece of wood. While replacing it with Deore costs pennies, replacing it with a new electronic derailleur is not so cheap, so I think I'll stick with the cable...
Some do it only on site at the service center (you have to bring your ebike to the service center), while a few do it remotely. In the latter case, you need access to a computer running Windows 10 (why not 11 – I don't know...) connected to the bike controller via a USB-C cable. The service is performed remotely, although most likely on the service technician's account.
After changing the software, you can update it to newer versions as usual using Bosch Flow. All languages are available on the displays, including the one you have been using so far. Of course, there is no speed distortion as with chips, no errors, and the motor does not go into emergency mode even when riding at maximum assistance speed for a long time. There is no need to worry that a motor with the American version of the software settings will be blocked in the EU – just as bikes with EU motors will not automatically switch to higher parameters if they are used in the US, bikes in the US will not be restricted if their owner rides them in the EU.
Prices for the service start at PLN 700 to PLN 1000 (€164 - €234) - the price may not be low, but it is comparable to engine controller cheating chips. In addition, unlike chips, there is no risk of engine blockage or error.
Advertisements appear on OLX: link to search engine. These are listings without a price and with a price of PLN 999.
To clarify: no, these aren't my ads
– to be honest, I'm wondering myself whether to take advantage of the change. I wouldn't be so sure that Bosch won't put an end to this type of service sooner or later: by removing access for service technicians performing this type of service or by blocking the possibility of changing the software on US for service technicians from the EU, leaving it only for those who are actually based in countries where the speed limit is higher than 25 km/h.
Mario Antony
Active member
So the 64lm/h and all bells and whistle for the 180/230?I am currently reviewing this thread. I can confirm that some service centers in Poland are modifying Gen 4 and Gen 5 software to a version adapted to the US market, i.e., with a speed limit of 32 km/h (I wonder if the nominal power is set to 250W or 500W?). What's more, they claim that it is possible to disable the speed limit. They also make changes to settings such as Powermore, lighting, power port activation, etc.
What's more, you can easily update the software if you want to install ABS or electronic derailleurs. The latter is tempting, although I recently ground my derailleur again with a piece of wood. While replacing it with Deore costs pennies, replacing it with a new electronic derailleur is not so cheap, so I think I'll stick with the cable...
Some do it only on site at the service center (you have to bring your ebike to the service center), while a few do it remotely. In the latter case, you need access to a computer running Windows 10 (why not 11 – I don't know...) connected to the bike controller via a USB-C cable. The service is performed remotely, although most likely on the service technician's account.
After changing the software, you can update it to newer versions as usual using Bosch Flow. All languages are available on the displays, including the one you have been using so far. Of course, there is no speed distortion as with chips, no errors, and the motor does not go into emergency mode even when riding at maximum assistance speed for a long time. There is no need to worry that a motor with the American version of the software settings will be blocked in the EU – just as bikes with EU motors will not automatically switch to higher parameters if they are used in the US, bikes in the US will not be restricted if their owner rides them in the EU.
Prices for the service start at PLN 700 to PLN 1000 (€164 - €234) - the price may not be low, but it is comparable to engine controller cheating chips. In addition, unlike chips, there is no risk of engine blockage or error.
Advertisements appear on OLX: link to search engine. These are listings without a price and with a price of PLN 999.
To clarify: no, these aren't my ads
The engine will assist as per 25km/h, but after flash, will be 64?
Very Tempting... i''ll give a try!
Definitely 32 km/h. And that makes sense to me, especially since you can set the maximum speed in Flow according to your needs.
As far as I'm concerned, 64 km/h is double 32 km/h, which means the wheel circumference is reduced by half. Of course, this could be set in the software (not Flow, but rather the service software), but wouldn't this affect Bosch's speed error detection mechanisms? It's hard to say, perhaps there is a service option to disable the detection of incorrect (from Bosch's point of view) speed.
On the other hand, with a 34/10 drive, reaching 64 km/h is practically impossible...
Thanks a lots for this mate!! Too bad they can't have access to the 45KM/H limits from the speedbike motorsI am currently reviewing this thread. I can confirm that some service centers in Poland are modifying Gen 4 and Gen 5 software to a version adapted to the US market, i.e., with a speed limit of 32 km/h (I wonder if the nominal power is set to 250W or 500W?). What's more, they claim that it is possible to disable the speed limit. They also make changes to settings such as Powermore, lighting, power port activation, etc.
What's more, you can easily update the software if you want to install ABS or electronic derailleurs. The latter is tempting, although I recently ground my derailleur again with a piece of wood. While replacing it with Deore costs pennies, replacing it with a new electronic derailleur is not so cheap, so I think I'll stick with the cable...
Some do it only on site at the service center (you have to bring your ebike to the service center), while a few do it remotely. In the latter case, you need access to a computer running Windows 10 (why not 11 – I don't know...) connected to the bike controller via a USB-C cable. The service is performed remotely, although most likely on the service technician's account.
After changing the software, you can update it to newer versions as usual using Bosch Flow. All languages are available on the displays, including the one you have been using so far. Of course, there is no speed distortion as with chips, no errors, and the motor does not go into emergency mode even when riding at maximum assistance speed for a long time. There is no need to worry that a motor with the American version of the software settings will be blocked in the EU – just as bikes with EU motors will not automatically switch to higher parameters if they are used in the US, bikes in the US will not be restricted if their owner rides them in the EU.
Prices for the service start at PLN 700 to PLN 1000 (€164 - €234) - the price may not be low, but it is comparable to engine controller cheating chips. In addition, unlike chips, there is no risk of engine blockage or error.
Advertisements appear on OLX: link to search engine. These are listings without a price and with a price of PLN 999.
To clarify: no, these aren't my ads
Mario Antony
Active member
64 is just remove speed limit all together, because has you correctly point out, final gear will be the limiter.
And now a quick question—if this is the removal of the speed limit, in Bosch Flow, can you set the assistance limit to a specific speed, e.g., 25/32/unlimited? For the EU version, the maximum is 25 km/h, for the US it is 32—does the limit slider work, or is it ignored?
Personally, I would prefer to be able to set any speed limit for a specific assistance mode, e.g., only turbo without restrictions, others with restrictions.
He has not written that.
He has written that:
Hence my question, because maybe he knows whether the slider in Folw works or not in the version with the speed limit completely removed.
He should know:
And that question was mainly directed at him.
I know that. If completely removing the speed limit would prevent me from setting a speed limit, I wouldn't like it very much. I would prefer the version with a limit of 32 km/h, where it is definitely possible to set the limit manually.
However, if removing the speed limit did not affect the ability to set a speed limit in Flow, then this version would be worth considering.
Does anyone know, @SEBA?
Hence my question, because maybe he knows whether the slider in Folw works or not in the version with the speed limit completely removed.
He should know:
And that question was mainly directed at him.
I know that. If completely removing the speed limit would prevent me from setting a speed limit, I wouldn't like it very much. I would prefer the version with a limit of 32 km/h, where it is definitely possible to set the limit manually.
However, if removing the speed limit did not affect the ability to set a speed limit in Flow, then this version would be worth considering.
Does anyone know, @SEBA?
After your question, and his answer seems to me completely hypotetical, don't get your hopes up.
I have 64km/h unlock, not sure if it's from the same guy, since there are at least two i know of (A and G).
It's 32 km/h from the US version plus halved wheel circumference. You get half the speed on the display, half the distance in stats etc. It will also estimate range to be half of real distance.
I've paid 700 pln (165 eur) for US first, then 700 for changing wheel circumference since I did that separately, if I did it at once it would be 1000 pln (235 eur). Prices in euro might be different.
You can customize max speed in Flow, but it will be twice what you set(if you set eg 15 in app, it will display 15 but actual speed will be 30). Ride itself works fine. I have an issue where it wont show any stats on the page, as if I didnt ride the bike ever, but I have no idea whether that's related. I've done less than 200 km so far.
It's 32 km/h from the US version plus halved wheel circumference. You get half the speed on the display, half the distance in stats etc. It will also estimate range to be half of real distance.
I've paid 700 pln (165 eur) for US first, then 700 for changing wheel circumference since I did that separately, if I did it at once it would be 1000 pln (235 eur). Prices in euro might be different.
You can customize max speed in Flow, but it will be twice what you set(if you set eg 15 in app, it will display 15 but actual speed will be 30). Ride itself works fine. I have an issue where it wont show any stats on the page, as if I didnt ride the bike ever, but I have no idea whether that's related. I've done less than 200 km so far.
How is the battery usage in comparison?
On my 50 km commute to work it got up from consuming about 50-60% battery to using 90% battery by going to the 32 km/h version. I wouldn't want to get 64 km/h unlock, get really fast 3/4 of the way and then get stranded right before a hill
On my 50 km commute to work it got up from consuming about 50-60% battery to using 90% battery by going to the 32 km/h version. I wouldn't want to get 64 km/h unlock, get really fast 3/4 of the way and then get stranded right before a hill
My commute is only 10 km, and I'm not going 64km/h - basically impossible to reach on my bike. Top speed would be around 45, and my average barely went up compared to when I only had 32 (something like 23 to 26) - red lights, bike traffic and pedestrians make it hard to go fast. Battery usage went from about 12% to about 18%.
Overall, it didn't really make my commute that much faster, but it feels nicer when there's no cutoff point, you get support from the motor all the way. But it's harder to control yourself and not go too fast
Overall, it didn't really make my commute that much faster, but it feels nicer when there's no cutoff point, you get support from the motor all the way. But it's harder to control yourself and not go too fast
Thanks. Well, that's the answer I was expecting. To be honest, I expected what I described earlier, because "removing the limit" as a setting of 64 km/h looked like reducing the wheel circumference by half. And now we have confirmation of this. The result is a reduction in the displayed speed and distance by half. Does it make sense? Not really, in my opinion. The option to change the maximum speed to a limit of 32 km/h makes more sense – maintaining the correct speed and distance (and real mileage, so that you can boast about the low mileage of the ebike when reselling it - however, this is unfair to the buyer), while generally you can set the EU legal limit of 25 km/h with the speed slider, and occasionally, if necessary, use the full potential of the US limit.
By the way, does the US version have a limit of 80 Nm or 100 Nm (Gen 4 Smart)?
Its 85Nm *
I think I found a way to connect to the bike without any login or dongle necessary.
I was able to view all diagnosis, statistics and settings of my bike, reset all faults on the controller and make changes to the light and power ports.
However to change the region/speed, a bike profile file is required.
If somebody gets a hold of a bcp or cff4 file, let me know.
You didn't try to recover the file? Can you PM me please.
I was able to view all diagnosis, statistics and settings of my bike, reset all faults on the controller and make changes to the light and power ports.
However to change the region/speed, a bike profile file is required.
If somebody gets a hold of a bcp or cff4 file, let me know.
Are you saying he was using username/password in addition to the dongle on your PC?
You didn't try to recover the file? Can you PM me please.
Purple parznip
Active member
Volspeed have a new one out,e bike tuner website have them in stock £230 and there is also a you tube video,same one does a gen 4 or gen 5 motor.
martyfrommonmouth
Member
Maaate.... If your motor is Gen 4 then you have a lot of options and generally they are less likely to lock your motor than the Gen 5 versions, which all have caveats in small print...
Gen 5 chips don't work without errors unless you use them in very specific ways - limiting speed for example, not riding with them on all the time etc etc, so completely pointless in my view.
If you have Gen 5 and don't care about warranty, get the Polish guy(s) to flash your motor to USA version and change wheel circumference to essentially get unlimited assist, as mentioned above by multiple users.
martyfrommonmouth
Member
I hope you can figure this out because it would be amazing to be able to flash the bike yourself without relying on a third party so that you can return bike for servicing/warranty work as stock etc with no errors and original firmware.
I'd pay for that functionality!
giordano
New Member
Hello,
That is interesting and a big step even without region mod. How you got around the login? (I could not, can not do anything.) Also, no change in traffic on the CAN bus when I try to connect. (If you would want to see that, dump etc., I suggest this cheap tool, just make sure you do "listen only". TYPE-C USB zu CAN CANable 2.0 CAN-FD SLCAN Cangaroo Candlelight Firmware Debugger Kommunikation Software Tool CAN Bus Analysator - AliExpress 1420)
Giordano
That is interesting and a big step even without region mod. How you got around the login? (I could not, can not do anything.) Also, no change in traffic on the CAN bus when I try to connect. (If you would want to see that, dump etc., I suggest this cheap tool, just make sure you do "listen only". TYPE-C USB zu CAN CANable 2.0 CAN-FD SLCAN Cangaroo Candlelight Firmware Debugger Kommunikation Software Tool CAN Bus Analysator - AliExpress 1420)
Giordano
Raptor
Active member
Wow sounds great. Good work.. Using the bosch diagnostic software on Windows? I did have a hunt around the win registery after installing but couldn't see anything of interest
I don't want to go into the details yet, as Bosch is probably reading here as well.
Prefered method would be to share the bikes USB port remotely and have all the software tools on my computer.
I already got it working on the local LAN between 2 PCs, but not over the internet.
Prefered method would be to share the bikes USB port remotely and have all the software tools on my computer.
I already got it working on the local LAN between 2 PCs, but not over the internet.
I'm a new member so can't send PMs, not sure if it's even a function here. Are you able to message me
svis
New Member
Hey, what jar files did you modify to do this?
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