Maxon Air S 90Nm 620 W, 600/400. + 250Wh extender
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towzer
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Yeah, it’s on here as well
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watching with hope as it looks like it might be a move in what I consuder the right direction ( enough power, enough battery, under 16kg xc emtb). , just a few questions as usual with a new motor (living up to the hype and marketing, reliability, post warranty maintainability and spares , UK dealer set up, what bikes it ends up in etc), let’s see
A New Superlative? Exclusive Insights Into the New Maxon AIR S Full Power Motor & Factory Visit
Formula 1, Mars mission & e-MTBs: We visited maxon and took a close look at the new AIR S full-power motor – including exclusive insights and a test ride.
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watching with hope as it looks like it might be a move in what I consuder the right direction ( enough power, enough battery, under 16kg xc emtb). , just a few questions as usual with a new motor (living up to the hype and marketing, reliability, post warranty maintainability and spares , UK dealer set up, what bikes it ends up in etc), let’s see
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TCFlowClyde
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Yeah, was surprised it wasn't posted here yet.Yeah, it’s on here as well
A New Superlative? Exclusive Insights Into the New Maxon AIR S Full Power Motor & Factory Visit
Formula 1, Mars mission & e-MTBs: We visited maxon and took a close look at the new AIR S full-power motor – including exclusive insights and a test ride.
watching with hope as it looks like it might be a move in what I consuder the right direction ( enough power, enough battery, under 16kg xc emtb). , just a few questions as usual with a new motor (living up to the hype and marketing, reliability, post warranty maintainability and spares , UK dealer set up etc), let’s see
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I'm really curious to see the motor and battery market in few years, are we going to see just a couple of big players taking over like Sram and Shimano for transmissions? There are so many brands developing interesting stuff at the moment
When next generation battery technologies finally arrive* with less than half the weight/at least twice the energy density, then the game will change. Until then will be only incremental improvements.
* Hopefully before fusion energy.
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Yeah, thinking if/when solid state batteries are finally scalable for commercial use, and are less expensive than diamonds, then that will be the big break through on weight drop.
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Here's another peek at the lower profile of the non-drive side, which gives the DJI away as a motor. But that's as slim as it gonna get I think from my non-engineering perspective.
If you go to their website, they have six very off-brand Emtb companies that use the earlier 40 Nm system. They're nice looking rigs and some, to my liking, are running longer enduro travel 160-170 mm for around $8-9K USD. I assume that these will be available with the new updated 90Nm motor in '26?
I'm surprised we haven't seen Rob's Ride preview it yet.
If you go to their website, they have six very off-brand Emtb companies that use the earlier 40 Nm system. They're nice looking rigs and some, to my liking, are running longer enduro travel 160-170 mm for around $8-9K USD. I assume that these will be available with the new updated 90Nm motor in '26?
I'm surprised we haven't seen Rob's Ride preview it yet.
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I found this company from the Maxon page, they have a frameset with the new motor available for purchase. They claim a complete bike can be built under 15kg! Impressive for 90nm and 400wh.
Dirtlab — Paratu CP eMTB Frame Kit | Maxon Bikedrive AIR S | 170mm Car
Bikelab Inc. owns the brands Dirtlab, Fatlab, Roadlab We produce and design and check all our own products following the highest standards. We produce our own Carbon and Titanium frames at the best Vendors. We sell MTB, Gravel and Fat bike frames and parts. we innovate and are fully rider owned...
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Ouch $6k for the frameset only...like the 165mm travel but only the 400Wh option not both 600Wh too.I found this company from the Maxon page, they have a frameset with the new motor available for purchase. They claim a complete bike can be built under 15kg! Impressive for 90nm and 400wh.
Dirtlab — Paratu CP eMTB Frame Kit | Maxon Bikedrive AIR S | 170mm Car
Bikelab Inc. owns the brands Dirtlab, Fatlab, Roadlab We produce and design and check all our own products following the highest standards. We produce our own Carbon and Titanium frames at the best Vendors. We sell MTB, Gravel and Fat bike frames and parts. we innovate and are fully rider owned...bikelab-inc.com
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Any others?I found this company from the Maxon page, they have a frameset with the new motor available for purchase. They claim a complete bike can be built under 15kg! Impressive for 90nm and 400wh.
Dirtlab — Paratu CP eMTB Frame Kit | Maxon Bikedrive AIR S | 170mm Car
Bikelab Inc. owns the brands Dirtlab, Fatlab, Roadlab We produce and design and check all our own products following the highest standards. We produce our own Carbon and Titanium frames at the best Vendors. We sell MTB, Gravel and Fat bike frames and parts. we innovate and are fully rider owned...bikelab-inc.com
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The transalps appears to be a rebranded dirtlab (or vice versa) identical geometry to their old model.
Ouch $6k for the frameset only...like the 165mm travel but only the 400Wh option not both 600Wh too.
It's curious though, they keep mentioning efficiency.
Does their 400watt last as long as the others 550 watts equivalent, for example?
Will be interesting to read the reviews.
That said, My Fazua 60 works great for me but will probably be a one and done motor system, meaning resell sucks.
So for me, I'm sticking with the big 2 brands next time around.
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Good question. But I gotta think they have the 600 Wh for a reason...90Nm can still drain faster than 40 Nm. Plus, heavier riders like myself will be carrying that 250Wh extender for sure on longer rides...but that's OK. I average 1.5-2 hrs or maybe 20 miles these days...
I'd like to buy the Maxon bikedrive frame above if it has 160mm+/600Wh....also if it turns out to be reliable.
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Yeah...I think we'll see 600 Wh down tube options on some of the builds.
I think the big question is reliability at on 90Km output and overheating.
YTers really need to get a review going soon.
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I asked dirtlab about the 600wh pack. They said it's not available yet, so they developed around the 400. 
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Oh wow! Good on you for asking! Can it be added later when the 600 is ready?I asked dirtlab about the 600wh pack. They said it's not available yet, so they developed around the 400.
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This was their exact response.
"Currently, the Paratu CP E-Bike Frame Kit comes with a 400Wh battery and an optional 250Wh range extender. There is a plan at Maxon for a 600wh battery yet these plans are not set in motion yet."
Whoever I was messaging at bikelab was super friendly! Apparently they'll have the bike at an event in lake Tahoe in a few weeks.
"Currently, the Paratu CP E-Bike Frame Kit comes with a 400Wh battery and an optional 250Wh range extender. There is a plan at Maxon for a 600wh battery yet these plans are not set in motion yet."
Whoever I was messaging at bikelab was super friendly! Apparently they'll have the bike at an event in lake Tahoe in a few weeks.
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Can they do a review here? In our platform? I'd like to see a US bike company step up like Intense, Canfield or Salsa!
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Eurobike 2025 Day 1: no YT coverage of the Maxon air 90....maybe Maxon hasn't shown yet?
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C'mon Maxon Day 2!
.C'mon Maxon Day 2!
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Finally....Maxon 8 min in....encouraging so far...
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Instinctiv Ocelot Maxon 90 $8.5K USD base model...good looking rig but geez a 145 travel really misses the mark for me (want 170mm) unfortunately.
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I'm super intrigued by this motor system. Can't wait to see what else is coming out!
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Ok...maybe. EMBN just showed some semi-solid state batteries in the same Day 2 vid. (It's at the 22 min). But I have well-versed engineer Emtb buddies that run the gamet of 100,% agreement with you to a younger one wno's a PhD and chemical engineer at Intel saying maybe 5 yrs and not cheap, even with China, who's likely first to make commercially scalable.
Cue to EMBN Day 2 vid. Company called Welion.
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Not the batteries, the price of shiny pebbles...
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So you're saying yes solid state will be available and scalable commercially, but it will be monopolized by battery manufacturers to such an extent, they'll be overvalued on the market as to not realistically be available to average Joes?
Maybe, but China, good or bad for the consumer, would develop SS tech independently and sell under market value, thus making more affordable? I'm guessing, I'm not an economist either.
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FYI - eMTBs with the New Maxon AIR S Motor – The Sexiest Full-Power eMTBs?
for me, the Thömus sounds like a nearly perfect bike (but main battery not removable), however no UK dealers or presence (happy to be wrong, so bike spares issue and warranty etc imho, remember Brexit - yayyyyy) and having been an unsuccessful early adopter before I will wait a bit for real world motor feedback - so that’s a way down the road If atall.
back to awaiting tq hpr60 experiences and hearing how people who update a hpr50 trek exe get on and is the extra power noticeable.
for me, the Thömus sounds like a nearly perfect bike (but main battery not removable), however no UK dealers or presence (happy to be wrong, so bike spares issue and warranty etc imho, remember Brexit - yayyyyy) and having been an unsuccessful early adopter before I will wait a bit for real world motor feedback - so that’s a way down the road If atall.
back to awaiting tq hpr60 experiences and hearing how people who update a hpr50 trek exe get on and is the extra power noticeable.
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Yeah, there's proof of concept. We'll know performance characteristics and durability short term by Fall. But also, they need that 600 Wh battery option for bigger travel Enduro rigs. That's still in development as Kaylee discovered last week.
Hopefully by next summer we'll see the whole picture. I believe Steve Jones of EMBN seems most interested in a ride review... I hope? Afterall, it's only 90Nm
...plenty for me! But overshadowed by DJI of course!
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