Right but it does have those things so that's a bit of a nonsense stance to take. You could say that about anything
"A Lamborghini without a V8, striking looks and sporty ride is 'just another car'"
Doesn't make sense, no?
DJI Just Unlocked 1000W. What Now?
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Right but it does have those things so that's a bit of a nonsense stance to take. You could say that about anything
"A Lamborghini without a V8, striking looks and sporty ride is 'just another car'"
Doesn't make sense, no?
I think you’ve just ‘Nailed it’
Because the Amflow, Forbidden and Unno have the DJI Avinox system, it makes everything else look ordinary, fat, heavy, slow and underpowered.
Being objective your analogy is invalid if only because Lambo chassis is specifically designed to handle the power output of the motor.
But believe what you want, of course.
As said before, believe what you want
For me, that’s a ‘next level’ list only if you’re interested in that particular set of features?
If you are, then great, sounds like you’ve purchased the perfect bike, for you.
Looking at the list a bit more;
- Integration - So the motor, controller, battery and App all talk to each other? Brilliant, but don’t they all?
- Customisation - Not sure what’s meant by that, but customising assist modes isn’t exactly ‘next level’? Or, do you mean using a VPN anybody can pretend they’re in NZ?!
- User experience - Again, not sure what’s meant by that, and seems pretty subjective? If you mean it ‘just works’, then so it should.
- Battery size - I want a smaller one, now what?
- Visual presentation - Subjective, but the motor is nice and compact and the top screen nice and big. Again, squint and it looks like every other e-bike.
- weight (debateable, sure) - For sure.
- speed of updates / new features - The latest updates seem to have caused some angst, but seems like it’s a ‘fix fast’ type software company, so fair enough.
- probably some other things - Such as?!
- All in a 800whr / 1000w / 120nm package. - Again, great if that’s what you want, but I don’t want or need 800Wh/1000w/120Nm, and I definitely don’t want to be paying £6-9k for those things.
I know Amflow owners get hyper prickly about this, but it is just another e-bike, albeit one with a compact and powerful motor and neat controller interface. I don’t see though how anything running the same geo and same non-DJI components as any other e-bike could be accurately described as ‘next level’.
When Avinox II comes out, and it will as is DJIs trend, and they don’t ‘retrofit’ the new features to the current system, then people will be able to say ‘it’s still a great bike’, legitimately. Same as a good chunk of all the other bikes out there now.
Thats what they have done, and the othes now have to wake up that they have a inferior package so they cry off to teacher to try and wind the DJI Motor power in, Lol.
Anyone that thinks the likes of this Levo 4 S is a better product are just deluding them self's having paid a lot more for an inferior product.
I don’t think that’s fair.
Though DJI equipped bikes have some great features that are a step ahead of most others……The Specialized Gen 4 has features of its own like fully adjustable geometry, removable battery, range extender, class 3, and many others.
By that logic absolutely nothing can ever be considered 'next level' in any capacity and everything ever produced is only ever as good as everything else.
Which is clearly not the reality we live in.
Again, that's like saying a McMurtry Spéirling isn't a next level hypercar because you want an EV to pop to the shops in and carry the weekly shop.
Well actually, as you mention the car, it’s a car with 4 wheels, electric motors and a fan downforce system that was next level in the 1970s…
Next level performance? Maybe, but then again many ‘hypercars’ do sub 2s 0-60, and then there’s the small matter of the £800k+ it costs.
It’s a ridiculous comparison to be honest.
The Amflow is an iterative improvement on what went before it, apart from the Avinox it’s the same as every other bike with a frame and components on it.
There are already comparable e-bikes depending on your own priorities. The Amflow might be the best bike for you, great, but not for everybody, not sure why that’s hard to understand or accept.
‘Next level’? No, I don’t think so, and where do e-bikes go next, assuming we’re already at (or just beyond) the realistic power limits before they’re classed as motorbikes anyway?
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But the main selling point of the Levo 4 S is that it has a proven track record of durability, ride quality, and performance across the board. In all rider scenarios, and decent after sale support, the full package, etc, whereas the DJI to date does not.
It's all well and good claiming the DJI is a superior product based on the specs on paper, but it doesn't really mean very much until it has been tested over time in the real world by different riders and in real world conditions. To suggest otherwise only a few weeks after release is just speculation.
I'd like to see:
- better water resistance
- more reliability
- less weight (motor, improved battery density)
- integrated gearboxes or MTB applicable IGHs. Both currently exist but in their first iteration and are not widespread.
- better interoperability, e.g. all manufacturers supporting a common standard for navigation devices, smartwatch and electronic shifting
- more refined light control
Brose sold out to Yamaha earlier this year and made a loss of €53million last year.
I can assure you, this has nothing to do with durability or reliability. Quite the opposite I would have thought.
I will say that the Specialized customer service for most customer's seems second to no one.
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What would constitute next level?
I never said the bike was the best option for everyone. I said the bike represented a raising of the bar (hence, “next level”) of what a modern eMTB should be.
From engineering to tech integration to user experience to ride feel, DJI has pushed it forward.
I honestly think anyone who can’t see that is being deliberately contrarian for the sake of appearing cool on the internet.
DJI changed the game and everyone else is playing catchup.
That still doesn’t mean the Amflow is the best riding bike in existence or that it’s the best choice for everyone, but it does mean it’s the next level in eMTB.
Nope dont agree, If you put the DJI Motor in the Gen 4 S Spec, it might preform better but i would still not buy one as looks crap with its out of proportional down tube.
I Do, i have rode the GEN S Spec back to back with my Amflow Pro. The S works is like a cart horse in comparison . Anyone that thinks paying 13k that they have bought the best EMTB on sale right now are deluded
If you did as suggested, I'd expect the downtube to be slimmed down accordingly to suit the Avinox battery.
Then you'd buy one.
Slim downtube, DJi battery and motor, genie rear shock, 21kg max. I am in …
Yeah......£13k is sticking point.....and no more stock in the UK, with no plan for anymore, so I was told.
The 'Next Level' should probably include the VFM that Amflow brought to market.
It's nearly a year since we first saw the avinox and all of the bike releases since then have left me wanting for some of the features the DJI has even after ignoring the power
Vala no fast charge or 800wh
Gen4 huge downtube, motor weight
Next level and game changer are pretty subjective terms, after all the latest iterations from bosch/spec even now the avinox looks ahead of them, I think it's far to say it's a generation ahead.
Having said that I don't agree with people calling the latest levo game changer, it's more of a refinement.
Vala no fast charge or 800wh
Gen4 huge downtube, motor weight
Next level and game changer are pretty subjective terms, after all the latest iterations from bosch/spec even now the avinox looks ahead of them, I think it's far to say it's a generation ahead.
Having said that I don't agree with people calling the latest levo game changer, it's more of a refinement.
vincentimes.69
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My Husqvarna MC2 with 250 Watts (Shimano EP6) seems plenty. I can't imagine 1000 Watts!
I can literally climb anything untilI the front wheel lifts and i tip over. What would 100 Watts bring that my 250 won't?
I can literally climb anything untilI the front wheel lifts and i tip over. What would 100 Watts bring that my 250 won't?
You may be right but the do not take a Lambo, take a available Lancia Thema with a Ferrari engine. Pure understatement but horrible maintenance btw, a friend of mine loves Italian cars and is a very good mechanic but the Thema 8.32 was sold quickly.
Nevertheless the overall package of Amflow looks for me to be the benchmark now, even without the power upgrade.
One minute you’re talking about the bike (Amflow) and the next you’re saying DJI?
I agree the Avinox motor and system was a good step forward compared to what was out there, if what it brought to the party is of interest to you, but the bike itself is standard geometry, standard materials and uses the same components as any other bike, never mind e-bike.
In my opinion, that means it can’t be ‘next level’ even with the excellent Avinox system, whatever that means anyway. There’s nothing ‘revolutionary’, even 1000w isn’t unique, does that make more sense?
Trust me, I’m old enough not to try to be ‘cool’ about anything, not least when merely expressing an opinion on an e-bike! Besides, nobody is drinking the kool-aid more than Amflow owners it would appear.
DJI have moved the game on, but it’s still the same game, it’s an e-bike with a chain and rear mech, same as most other bikes. Why isn’t an e-bike with an MGU ‘next level’?
What can an Amflow do that any other e-bike can’t do, apart from perhaps get up a hill a bit quicker or be quicker on the flats as everybody seems to be using a VPN to pretend they’re in NZ?
If it’s not the best riding bike in existence, how can it be ‘next level’? I’d say it’s at the front of the pack of current generation e-bikes, but the industry as a whole had better be working on something ‘next level’ because I think we’re at ‘peak e-bike’ within the current regulations about now anyway.
By the way, both Amflow bikes were in the EMTB magazine 2025 group test, they didn’t win the best buy, editors choice or the ultimate all rounder awards. Is that next level?
EMTB Magazine 2025 Group Test
It’s very possible that a German magazine supports European (German) brands, you know, the brands that pay for advertising space.
Just sayin’!
You wouldn’t be the first to say that, but I think that’s a bit lazy to be honest, read the review or watch the video.
The best value award was a German brand, yes, but they always have been good vfm, the editors choice is a Spanish brand (with the Avinox motor!) and the best all rounder is Californian…
I’ve been a supporter of that magazine for years, all sorts of brands advertise in it, and indeed supply the bikes for test, so I don’t think that automatically means you get a gong…
It’s tempting to go into ‘confirmation bias mode’ around all this, if you own or want an Amflow then I think it’s a great choice and of course you should be pleased with it. Just to be clear, I’m not saying it’s a bad bike, far from it based on the limited time I’ve had my leg over one, but it is perhaps a bit of a ‘one trick pony’ once you get over the motor power aspects.
To be fair though, it doesn’t take me long to enjoy riding any e-bike, the pleasure is in the ride and being out and about on one. I ride all vintages from home brew, early Shimano, Mahle SL motor through to current Bosch, they’re all good at something and some of them more than one thing.
It’s all e-bikes, and that’s the point.
Well, as someone who works in marketing, I can assure you, sadly, that advertising money talks.
It’s just the way it works.
lol, donkey of a bike
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I will bow to your knowledge on that, but I haven’t seen a Focus or Unno advert for a long time in EMTB Mag though.
Latest one had ads from SRAM, Orbea, KTM, Scott, Maxxis, Specialized and Ghost.
Can we trust any magazine then, our YouTube faves (who have just been flown to a launch location) or even anybody who has just spent multiple £k’s on their new bike?!
You just have to be a grown up about it.
Listen to what the reviewer has to say, but only listen to the facts, opinions are subjective but you can learn who’s opinions your taste align with and that will help.
E.G. I spent 4 years on SC Heckler with a 504wh battery, carrying an extra battery on nearly every ride, as in the cold at least, it would mange only 20ish miles; I knew I was done with that, so no one will persuade me the 600wh battery in a Vala is big enough, especially once it’s been updated to 100nm/750w.
E.G. no2, I’ve lifted enough heavy bikes into my car, over fences, into the bike stand, to know there is no way a heavier bike “rides better” ……… I’ve been riding MTB’s since 1989 and not at any point has a heavier bike been better to ride and indeed the whole industry has been geared towards lowering weight where ever it can - has that really changed, have you heard or read one person say that a DJI bike is simply not heavy enough?
Nope.
My Amflow is just shy of 22kg on proper wheels, and heavy, strong & soft, knobbly tyres.
But this is what I’m saying, horses for courses right?
I’m not saying the Amflow is pants, far from it, and I covet an Unno Mith even though I’m not the sort of rider or even have the terrain on my doorstep to make the best of it.
Nor does the Amflow mean every other e-bike is suddenly crap, the forum (and YouTube) is full of ‘drop the mike’ dramatic headlines and hyperbole and to be honest that gets a bit wearing and does nothing for our shared sport/hobby.
I’ve got a couple of e-bikes sub 22kg, but with very low power motors in comparison to anything running an Avinox. They’re great bikes and a joy to ride for me and my terrain. I’ve ridden an Amflow (the silver one) and it was fun. All e-bikes are fun though, IMHO.
I think people fall into the trap of stating what’s good for them must be good for everybody else.
Enjoy your bike, whatever it is!
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