All New 2026 Santa Cruz Bullit launched

[Suns_PSD]

I think you both seem to be using Man Math to make your arguments fit your purposes - there's nothing wrong with that - we all do it - especially when buying a new bike

However, they both rode in turbo.

So yes, the DJI ran out of power first. Not because of a 20% efficiency difference, but because the Amflow in Turbo provides considerably more assistance than the Bosch in Turbo. Will basically had a far far easier ride on the Amflow.

More assistance will use more power. Like they said, for comparable performance, he should probably have run the Amflow in Trail as that much more like the Bosch in Turbo.

Maybe 'Will basically had a far far easier ride on the Amflow' as you state, but I disagree based on what I saw watching the video.

That said, obviously there was some limitations to the testing which I noted, but unless you personally tested these in the lab you are certainly not qualified to state, 'not because of a 20% efficiency difference...'. That's pretty definitive when we know factually that motors can have huge variations in effective efficiencies, and that the Germans are premier designers, machinists, etc.

I do think it's clear that the DJI is less efficient, how much is YTBD.

And Bro-science is the best!

 

[sethimus]

Are 800wh Bosch batteries just longer versions of the 600wh? I am trying to figure out what is actually stopping the retrofit of an 800wh to a Vala or Bullit. Is there something in the downtube physically limiting the insertion of a 800wh?

same length but thicker so no

 

[Zimmerframe]

Maybe 'Will basically had a far far easier ride on the Amflow' as you state, but I disagree based on what I saw watching the video.

How, based on watching a video, can you disagree based on the basic and obvious numbers ? Because they both "appeared" to be pedalling as hard ???

The Bosch is peaking at 600w and 340% assistance, the Amflow 800w and 800% assistance !!

Therefore - very simply - Will put in far less effort to go at the same speed and the bike filled in the rest.

That said, obviously there was some limitations to the testing which I noted, but unless you personally tested these in the lab you are certainly not qualified to state, 'not because of a 20% efficiency difference...'.

The velomotion videos and articles break this all down really well on their dyno. You can see the power out for power in between the motors and therefore more power being drawn from the battery.

Most motors work out around 80-82% efficient. There's no massive 20% difference.

If you buy an 800wh bosch, you will go 30% further/higher than if you have a 600wh bosch.

If you ride with a mate on an 800wh Amflow and you manage to configure the bikes to the same real world level of assistance, they're going to go 30% higher/further than someone on a 600wh bosch.

Yes, there are subtle differences where you get more range, the Amflow sort of discretely pulses its power to stretch things out (and presumably to comply). EMTB mode on the Bosch encourages you to stick more in yourself without you realising so you end up going further.

I do think it's clear that the DJI is less efficient, how much is YTBD.

I think it's clear that in the real world, there's feck all in it.

And Bro-science is the best!

This is the way ......

 

[ebsocalmtb]

I'd suggest just demo'ing the bike. I understand that everyone has their specific use case and desires for battery capacity and motor (brand, power output etc). I learned a few hard lessons with my relay in not considering this fully when buying into the fazua system.

The Bullit is a special bike, at least in my opinion. I've ridden the vala extensively, I've ridden other long travel bosch emtb's (wild, regulator, shuttle lt, crestline) and the Bullit stands out as a ride experience that was un-expected. I expected it to be a burlier vala, and it's not quite that... it's one of those bikes that is more then the sum of it's parts or it's design decisions. There is a frame stiffness component that I have experienced, particularly on the wild and the shuttle lt, that make those bikes feel much better at the limit then they do just riding casually. This bike has a goldilocks situation going on and I am starting to wonder if the sizing of the downtube for the 750-800wh batteries is adding orders of magnitude more frame stiffness.

This bike has a ride dynamic to it that is most closely related to crestline... but for me, it's a far more intuitive bike to jump onto and ride. I was more at home with regards to cornering and how the bike changed direction then I have been on other long travel ebikes. It does feel like a relative of the vala when cornering, but it is not at all related to the vala in terms of suspension performance. I have a gen 6 nomad and while I love that bike, it is not a hover bike and does not feel like a downhill bike. The bullit literally erases parts of the trail. The last time I felt a bike perform like the bullit did last night in laguna, was shuttling with my v10 dh bike.

Suffice to say, I realize that the 600wh battery is polarizing... but you really need to ride this bike before putting it into a box and assuming you know what's up. It just so happens that the 600wh battery and re option are perfect for my usage of an ebike... but honestly even if it weren't, this bike is so special that I would just suck it up and deal with it. As I said, this bike is more then the sum of it's parts... without riding one, I fear that you really don't have the full picture. And I can't believe I'm saying this, but no, you cannot ride a vala and assume you know what this bike will be like. After riding this bike, I can say that anything that would have compromised the ride feel and suspension performance would have been a non-starter, at least for me.

Simply put, the suspension performance of this frame is only something I've experienced a few times in my 25 year riding career. This bike is scary capable, scary fast and is a complete nutter. It makes the vala look downright civilized.

Edit: One last thing about the suspension performance. I am not a huge fan of the float X... I generally find it a bit harsh. In the past, I have struggled to find the right balance of rebound damping, spring support and compression settings that give me the feel I want. I still find that true while riding the Vala... it does better on that bike then almost any other bike I've ever ridden it on, but it's still leaving me wanting more. I cannot say the same for the Bullit. I have more setup to do and of course I'm in the honey moon phase... but I didn't leave my first ride on this bike wanting more from the rear shock. I am still a bit miffed at the (lack of) value proposition of a 9,500 usd bike that doesn't have top of the line suspension, but I do not feel the need to upgrade this shock immediately. I have never said that about a bike with a float X before.

 

[ZR1]

You can reallly see the Dunning-Kruger Effect with efficiency youtube videos, ranging from velomotion being as vague as the more motor power you use the more you drain your battery to pinkbike making conclusions when the avinox finishes the test way quicker than others and not adjusting for the shorter input rider effort

Back on topic it is a great looking bike like the vala, as a heavier rider I just don't think 600wh will cut it and if bosch did make a slimmer 800wh it's highly unlikely to be retrofittable.

 

[ebsocalmtb]

How do you find it with and without the range extender ?

I have been riding a relay too!

I only had the range extender installed because I picked the bike up from the shop and only had 1.5 hours to charge it enough to ride. I had about 60% charge on the bike and the range extender. I'll be riding it without the RE tonight to get a feel for the balance of the bike without it.

Regarding the relay, the bullit and the relay feel relatable to each other with regards to cornering. My initial take is that I think the bullit is generating more grip, but my body position (hips, hip hinge etc) is nearly the same front/rear on both bikes. That being said... I thought the relay was a really capable bike and provided a ton of confidence at higher speeds and in nastier trail conditions/chunk. The Bullit is simply on another level. The relay handles big hits well enough, but it does not manage the majority of trail conditions like the bullit does. That's why I am starting to understand the Santacruz marketing. You ride the bullit like a DH bike, ie, ignore everything that is smaller then 12", loosen your grip, put your weight in your feet and let'er buck.

 

[xtraman122]

How, based on watching a video, can you disagree based on the basic and obvious numbers ? Because they both "appeared" to be pedalling as hard ???

The Bosch is peaking at 600w and 340% assistance, the Amflow 800w and 800% assistance !!

Therefore - very simply - Will put in far less effort to go at the same speed and the bike filled in the rest.


The velomotion videos and articles break this all down really well on their dyno. You can see the power out for power in between the motors and therefore more power being drawn from the battery.

Most motors work out around 80-82% efficient. There's no massive 20% difference.

If you buy an 800wh bosch, you will go 30% further/higher than if you have a 600wh bosch.

If you ride with a mate on an 800wh Amflow and you manage to configure the bikes to the same real world level of assistance, they're going to go 30% higher/further than someone on a 600wh bosch.

Yes, there are subtle differences where you get more range, the Amflow sort of discretely pulses its power to stretch things out (and presumably to comply). EMTB mode on the Bosch encourages you to stick more in yourself without you realising so you end up going further.


I think it's clear that in the real world, there's feck all in it.


This is the way ......

The 2% range of true efficiency between motors is exactly what I’d expect. People misinterpret how far they can ride a bike before the battery dies with efficiency of the drive system.

Each motor has a totally different feel, cadence:assistance ratio where they apply different percentages of assistance at different pedal cadences and efforts, it’s impossible to try and compare actual efficiency with something as subjective as a human going by “feel”. Even one bike offering 10-15% more assistance might not be felt by you after riding for a half hour or so but it’s have a real effect on the battery. At the very least in their test they definitely should have turned the Amflow down to a lower assist level. Or we can see them do the same test after Bosch comes out with their new more powerful ride mode with the update.

 

[Suns_PSD]

How, based on watching a video, can you disagree based on the basic and obvious numbers ? Because they both "appeared" to be pedalling as hard ???

The Bosch is peaking at 600w and 340% assistance, the Amflow 800w and 800% assistance !!

Therefore - very simply - Will put in far less effort to go at the same speed and the bike filled in the rest.


The velomotion videos and articles break this all down really well on their dyno. You can see the power out for power in between the motors and therefore more power being drawn from the battery.

Most motors work out around 80-82% efficient. There's no massive 20% difference.

If you buy an 800wh bosch, you will go 30% further/higher than if you have a 600wh bosch.

If you ride with a mate on an 800wh Amflow and you manage to configure the bikes to the same real world level of assistance, they're going to go 30% higher/further than someone on a 600wh bosch.

Yes, there are subtle differences where you get more range, the Amflow sort of discretely pulses its power to stretch things out (and presumably to comply). EMTB mode on the Bosch encourages you to stick more in yourself without you realising so you end up going further.


I think it's clear that in the real world, there's feck all in it.


This is the way ......

Francis has that e-bike channel and about 2 years ago he did road rides up the hill with various mid power e-bikes. There were 2 Fazua 60 bikes in that test and both were not only were the fastest up the hills, but both also used the least number of watts to do each climb.
This is a clear case where even being the faster unit, the F60 was also more efficient.
So, I'm going to say that the ebike motors in fact are not all within 2% of each other regarding efficiency. Heck, they probably have more than 2% difference in the same model as a result of manufacturing variances.
In fact, the TQ HP50 used like 40% more watts to do the climb the slowest.

 

[Suns_PSD]

I only had the range extender installed because I picked the bike up from the shop and only had 1.5 hours to charge it enough to ride. I had about 60% charge on the bike and the range extender. I'll be riding it without the RE tonight to get a feel for the balance of the bike without it.

Regarding the relay, the bullit and the relay feel relatable to each other with regards to cornering. My initial take is that I think the bullit is generating more grip, but my body position (hips, hip hinge etc) is nearly the same front/rear on both bikes. That being said... I thought the relay was a really capable bike and provided a ton of confidence at higher speeds and in nastier trail conditions/chunk. The Bullit is simply on another level. The relay handles big hits well enough, but it does not manage the majority of trail conditions like the bullit does. That's why I am starting to understand the Santacruz marketing. You ride the bullit like a DH bike, ie, ignore everything that is smaller then 12", loosen your grip, put your weight in your feet and let'er buck.

I find the Relay a bit harsh and chattery in off camber fast turns and I blame it on all of the extra material used to have the burrito holder at the bottom of the frame for quick battery access. I won't consider a bike with a battery that is removed in this manner (or to the side) again, as a result.

Still, I really enjoy the bike and it's been a great first e-bike.

I'll be buying the Regulator CX post update, or possibly the E-Druid. Still watching this space carefully. I'm 4 Transitions in now and I just seem to keep coming back to the brand.

It's petty I know, but I ruled the new Bullit out completely for the simple reason that they don't offer the top frame (CC?), with cable shift routing. Did they even hard wire the Transmission or did they miss that too?

 

[ckkone]

I wonder how some of you even get out bed in the morning.

This EMTB marketing has really gone to some of your heads.

 

[jbrown15]

I really wish just one damn YouTube reviewer would normalize the power input and overall speed between the Gen5 Bosch & the DJI and give us a real range test. I could drive my truck at 80mph and average 15 mpg or at 65 mph and average 20mpg. But it's the same truck, speed matters!

If it's true that a 600-watt battery Bosch travels nearly or even just as far as the DJI 800-watt battery, that means in the real world that the Bosch is actually lighter at the same distance. And with the RE, the Bosch is the same weight as the DJI 800 yet travels way further.

I expect we'll see another 5 'range tests' that don't normalize for speed and rider input, so we still won't ever know.

The Bosch Gen5 is better in terms of noise, support & probably tariffs if you are an American.
However, if the Bosch is also more efficient and technically lighter (per mile ridden), then the DJI only has two advantages left: how well it's hidden and integrated (very nice) & the extreme power/ plus the screen (if you care) which is an advantage that is going away shortly.

This channel has tested a bunch or different e-bikes. He try’s to stay pretty consistent with his reviews. He has an area that he uses to test the power of the bikes and includes some power meter pedals in his test trying to maintain 250watts input power from him.


I believe he’s got some spreadsheets showing times for the climbs he does based on that same input. Not completely scientific but I think it gives a good representation of each system.

 

[Lightme]

I think you both seem to be using Man Math to make your arguments fit your purposes - there's nothing wrong with that - we all do it - especially when buying a new bike

However, they both rode in turbo.

So yes, the DJI ran out of power first. Not because of a 20% efficiency difference, but because the Amflow in Turbo provides considerably more assistance than the Bosch in Turbo. Will basically had a far far easier ride on the Amflow.

More assistance will use more power. Like they said, for comparable performance, he should probably have run the Amflow in Trail as that much more like the Bosch in Turbo.

Exactly! Frustrating to read these comments.
How far a bike “goes” is dependent on how much power the motor supplies.
Looking at the curves in the Velomotion video, DJI offers much more assistance, even as a percentage of max, than Bosch, or anyone else. The relative weight of the bikes play a negligible role in the range difference.

It’s not surprising they both got the same amount of range. Dividing battery capacity by peak output gives the same number.

Both have modes to modulate power and therefore range.

Subjectively, I have bikes with both motors - they’re both good but there is no contest when it comes to power. If I want longer range on the DJI I’ll put in Auto.

 

[zorglub]

Most of my rides are sub 2 hours and involve rocky descents, and some jumping (though not that high). Bullit is perfect for my use case. For the few times I go for a bigger ride, I can put in the range extender. Looking forward to riding it

 

[Lightme]

Francis has that e-bike channel and about 2 years ago he did road rides up the hill with various mid power e-bikes. There were 2 Fazua 60 bikes in that test and both were not only were the fastest up the hills, but both also used the least number of watts to do each climb.
This is a clear case where even being the faster unit, the F60 was also more efficient.
So, I'm going to say that the ebike motors in fact are not all within 2% of each other regarding efficiency. Heck, they probably have more than 2% difference in the same model as a result of manufacturing variances.
In fact, the TQ HP50 used like 40% more watts to do the climb the slowest.

Which video? Francis normalises rider power. The more powerful bikes unsurprisingly are faster and use more battery per rider input Watt per unit distance.

 

[Suns_PSD]

Which video? Francis normalises rider power. The more powerful bikes unsurprisingly are faster and use more battery per rider input Watt per unit distance.

I'll let you dig for it as it was about 2 years ago. And it might have been data that was pieced together over several videos since Francis does normalize for input power on a set course.

I remember the EXE, Relay, Levo SL, Heckler SL, etc. were all in the chart. It was pretty easy to calculate what percent of battery usage and multiplying that with the battery capacity to see how many watts were used per climb. I did the math on this and posted it in a thread Francis had going over at mtb.com. You also had the climb times because even though Francis only put in 200 watts using the power pedals, some bikes climb faster as they provide more assistance.

 

[Rob Rides EMTB]

Anyone looking at an alternative...

The new Trek Rail with a 180 fork and geo adjust headset is almost identical geo (I just measured, both have a similar head angle 63.5 degree

BB height exact same 345mm / Chain Stay 349mm exact same, but rail has 180mm fork 162 rear, Bullit 170f 170 rear - Could run 170mm fork on Rail of course.

Obvs Trek takes removable battery and can have either 600 or 800. Both MX bikes, both Bosch Gen 5.

Stock Rail with 800Wh battery is around 23.7 KG so a fair bit heavier than the Bullet.

 

[ebsocalmtb]

Anyone looking at an alternative...

The new Trek Rail with a 180 fork and geo adjust headset is almost identical geo (I just measured, both have a similar head angle 63.5 degree

BB height exact same 345mm / Chain Stay 349mm exact same, but rail has 180mm fork 162 rear, Bullit 170f 170 rear - Could run 170mm fork on Rail of course.

Obvs Trek takes removable battery and can have either 600 or 800. Both MX bikes, both Bosch Gen 5.

Stock Rail with 800Wh battery is around 23.7 KG so a fair bit heavier than the Bullet.

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It's an alternative as it's an ebike... but the geo of the two is very, very different. FC/RC ratios per size, same chainstay length across all sizes, lower stack for a given reach, longer ett per given reach because of a slacker STA, split pivot vs horst so the bikes will behave differently under braking. A longer fork will widen the gap further.

The best thing about this industry is choice, and there is lots of it. There are a lot of people in this thread content to buy a bike based on drive unit and batter configuration alone. For me, I'm buying an emtb based on the bicycle I want to buy. i have my preferences on drive unit and an idea of what I'm looking for in batteries... but I'm focused enough on the bicycle part where the battery is secondary. Geometry is about big impacts created by minutia, same goes for suspension kinematics.

The point people are missing about the battery on the bullit is that the bullit is intended to be a no compromises performance bicycle. The 600wh battery is part of that performance above all, no compromises design. I get complaining about the battery on the vala... it's a do everything all mountain bike. Compromise is inherent in it's design, target and intended usage. As such, compromising performance for all mountain adventures is understandable.

The bullit's mission is to be the Santacruz's no compromise downhill performance machine. Battery selection is secondary to that mission, and not the primary concern of the bike and by extension, the targeted consumer.

 

[Rob Rides EMTB]

It's an alternative as it's an ebike... but the geo of the two is very, very different. FC/RC ratios per size, same chainstay length across all sizes, lower stack for a given reach, longer ett per given reach because of a slacker STA, split pivot vs horst so the bikes will behave differently under braking. A longer fork will widen the gap further.

The best thing about this industry is choice, and there is lots of it. There are a lot of people in this thread content to buy a bike based on drive unit and batter configuration alone. For me, I'm buying an emtb based on the bicycle I want to buy. i have my preferences on drive unit and an idea of what I'm looking for in batteries... but I'm focused enough on the bicycle part where the battery is secondary. Geometry is about big impacts created by minutia, same goes for suspension kinematics.

The point people are missing about the battery on the bullit is that the bullit is intended to be a no compromises performance bicycle. The 600wh battery is part of that performance above all, no compromises design. I get complaining about the battery on the vala... it's a do everything all mountain bike. Compromise is inherent in it's design, target and intended usage. As such, compromising performance for all mountain adventures is understandable.

The bullit's mission is to be the Santacruz's no compromise downhill performance machine. Battery selection is secondary to that mission, and not the primary concern of the bike and by extension, the targeted consumer.

100% fair comments and I agree

(Although I still think they perhaps reused the Vala molds which is the primary reason they went with the 600wh battery)

 

[Rando_12345]

The downhill performance argument is based on the assumption that lower weight is better and that 900grams of centralized weight would make much of a difference either way, which I'm not sure we all agree with. As a reminder most electric-EDR race bikes were around 25kg last year and the fastest one was a 26kg yeti...

 

[ebsocalmtb]

100% fair comments and I agree

(Although I still think they perhaps reused the Vala molds which is the primary reason they went with the 600wh battery)

They may have re-used the tube sets mold design and carbon layups of the downtubes, but the molds are different. The seat tubes are different in terms of shaping, the rocker link pivots are different in terms of location and support around them, the lower gussets and attachment points are different (requires a full re-evaluation of FEA and reinforcing), the head tube lengths are different between the vala and the bullit and despite the bullit having a longer fork A2C and higher stack, the seat tube angles are steeper size for size on the bullit. In case anyone is wondering, production carbon molds are made of cnc'd steel. There is no ability to slightly modify a mold and produce two models with small detail changes and use the same mold.

So... definitely bespoke frame designs and molds. People are going to like it or not... but the 600wh battery was a purposeful design decision from santacruz based on performance (weight distribution) and ride feel (frame flex/stiffness as a result of downtube diameter). To me, these bikes feel different then a 750+ wh full power ebike does. I struggle to jump onto an ebike and immediately hit the manual balance point intuitively. On both the vala and the bullit, I was able to pull back into, and maintain a manual within the first couple of tries. In addition, full power ebikes jump very differently then SL ebikes, both the vala and bullit jump more intuitively, more like a standard bike then other full power ebikes.

 

[ckkone]

The point people are missing about the battery on the bullit is that the bullit is intended to be a no compromises performance bicycle. The 600wh battery is part of that performance above all, no compromises design. I get complaining about the battery on the vala... it's a do everything all mountain bike. Compromise is inherent in it's design, target and intended usage. As such, compromising performance for all mountain adventures is understandable.

The Bullit and Vala are so similar it could be argued they are both do it all bikes.

 

[ebsocalmtb]

The Bullit and Vala are so similar it could be argued they are both do it all bikes.

On paper yes, after spending time on both in the flesh... I can't say I agree.

 

[ckkone]

On paper yes, after spending time on both in the flesh... I can't say I agree.

 

[blaze309]

I'd suggest just demo'ing the bike. I understand that everyone has their specific use case and desires for battery capacity and motor (brand, power output etc). I learned a few hard lessons with my relay in not considering this fully when buying into the fazua system.

The Bullit is a special bike, at least in my opinion. I've ridden the vala extensively, I've ridden other long travel bosch emtb's (wild, regulator, shuttle lt, crestline) and the Bullit stands out as a ride experience that was un-expected. I expected it to be a burlier vala, and it's not quite that... it's one of those bikes that is more then the sum of it's parts or it's design decisions. There is a frame stiffness component that I have experienced, particularly on the wild and the shuttle lt, that make those bikes feel much better at the limit then they do just riding casually. This bike has a goldilocks situation going on and I am starting to wonder if the sizing of the downtube for the 750-800wh batteries is adding orders of magnitude more frame stiffness.

This bike has a ride dynamic to it that is most closely related to crestline... but for me, it's a far more intuitive bike to jump onto and ride. I was more at home with regards to cornering and how the bike changed direction then I have been on other long travel ebikes. It does feel like a relative of the vala when cornering, but it is not at all related to the vala in terms of suspension performance. I have a gen 6 nomad and while I love that bike, it is not a hover bike and does not feel like a downhill bike. The bullit literally erases parts of the trail. The last time I felt a bike perform like the bullit did last night in laguna, was shuttling with my v10 dh bike.

Suffice to say, I realize that the 600wh battery is polarizing... but you really need to ride this bike before putting it into a box and assuming you know what's up. It just so happens that the 600wh battery and re option are perfect for my usage of an ebike... but honestly even if it weren't, this bike is so special that I would just suck it up and deal with it. As I said, this bike is more then the sum of it's parts... without riding one, I fear that you really don't have the full picture. And I can't believe I'm saying this, but no, you cannot ride a vala and assume you know what this bike will be like. After riding this bike, I can say that anything that would have compromised the ride feel and suspension performance would have been a non-starter, at least for me.

Simply put, the suspension performance of this frame is only something I've experienced a few times in my 25 year riding career. This bike is scary capable, scary fast and is a complete nutter. It makes the vala look downright civilized.

Edit: One last thing about the suspension performance. I am not a huge fan of the float X... I generally find it a bit harsh. In the past, I have struggled to find the right balance of rebound damping, spring support and compression settings that give me the feel I want. I still find that true while riding the Vala... it does better on that bike then almost any other bike I've ever ridden it on, but it's still leaving me wanting more. I cannot say the same for the Bullit. I have more setup to do and of course I'm in the honey moon phase... but I didn't leave my first ride on this bike wanting more from the rear shock. I am still a bit miffed at the (lack of) value proposition of a 9,500 usd bike that doesn't have top of the line suspension, but I do not feel the need to upgrade this shock immediately. I have never said that about a bike with a float X before.

First off, I wanted to say thanks for putting out your perspective and thoughts. When the Vala came out I fell in love but knew I'd need a second EMTB with some more travel. Originally, I was going to pick up an Ibis Oso as my do it all EMTB with a bigger battery (a little more travel in front) and then pickup the Vala as well as it'd be perfect for my local trails and give a different ride experience. But man, that Bullit in that Teal blue has me thinking perhaps I should grab that first and maybe pick up a Vala down the rode. But with your input on the Bullit it has me wondering if I owned both if I'd ever even take the Vala out or just grab the Bullit everytime.
Again, thanks for your input on the bike. I've still got a lot of thinking to do haha

 

[watsoc08]

I just grabbed a new Bullit in the Teal Blue at my LBS because they only got a few in stock and I didn't want to miss out and have to wait for one especially with not knowing how the tariffs are going to effect things in the future. The LBS was also running a sale and they gave me 5% off along with the CO e-bike credit so I was very happy with the price as well. Picking it up on Monday and I can't wait to get it out on some trails. This will be my first e-bike and I moving up to the mountains in CO so I wanted a long travel bike for when I hit the downhill runs at Vail but also I feel the Bullit will allow me to check out a lot of the trails in the central and western mountains of CO as well. DJI based bikes look amazing but I feel I would have been waiting to get one here in the States for a while and SC has a great reputation and a lot of local bikes shops support them.

 

[timotei99]

I personally think Santa Cruz have got it spot on with everything including the 600w battery. Most of the time it's more than I need and if I want a big day out I'll use the range extender.
I suppose the only disappointment is that the AXS rear mech isn't powered from the bike battery like some other brands - Orbea Wild for example.
Question to all - when might the new Bosch top tube display be released and what might the additional cost be?

 

[EatSleepRideRepeat]

I just sold my HSL because I want some more Power and Travel. I love my Nomad downhill. So I just ordered a new Bullit. Besides the missing VPP it looks great. And since it rides as if it still had that VPP, I just have to get over it.
I would have loved the looks of the unno mith, but don't wanna end up beta testing and on the other Hand the bullit hopefully rides like an e-Nomad. The 600wh is enough for me. I prefer that over a heavier 800wh Bullit.

 

[ebsocalmtb]

Some good insights in the most recent roller door podcast.

Introducing the all new Santa Cruz Bullit, with the designers Aaron Thielk and Jack Russell

The Roller Door · Episode

open.spotify.com

 

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Coming from Pon Industries this could be a rebranded cancelled GT, since dropping the awful VPP this could be a bike from anyone and from what I can see there isn't even any in-bike storage that people seem to crave, a shame really as I was hoping for a great deal more from the second generation Bullit or is it all clever marketing to keep the price sub £10k.

 

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I wonder how much lighter the frame can really be. There is only a 1lb difference between the GX and X0 builds, and the X0 build has carbon bars and wheels (Vs Aluminum on the GX) as well as the obvious difference of X0 vs GX drivetrain. Those 3 changes alone must account for a good chunk of the 1lb difference between the 2.

Edit: Just went and tried to find some of the weight differences.
Reserve AL vs Carbon 30HD Wheels: 172g
GX vs X0 Groupset: ~85g? (Had to go through each component, the cranks are oddly actually a few grams heavier on the X0)
Carbon vs Aluminum bars: 112g (I just compared a OneUp set of bars in identical sizes to estimate, not sure if SC lists their exact bar weights)
Total there is 369g, leaving not much of a possible weight savings from the CC vs C frame if it really is only a 1lb (454g) difference between the two

I can't decide how I feel about the color... I really like it in a few pics where the lighting made it look more like a slate blue, but when it sparkles like teal I'm not so sure I'm as much of a fan...

I read somewhere it was a 300g difference.