Levo Gen 4 Specialized Gen 4 Levo - Official Thread

Myke said:
So if you wanted you could drop the weight 4.5lbs by going with grid trail tires, 600w battery and the new Fox 36 fork which is supposed to be more rigid than earlier models.

S-works then would be approximately 47.5lbs S4 size.
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First impression: Meh. However, the bike is slowly growing on me—although the weight will probably be a deal breaker. The 700Wh battery in my Gen 3 is enough for 99% of my rides (and I ride only in Turbo). I’d rather have a lighter bike than an 840Wh battery. It’s probably great for riding in the Alps, but I use my e-bike almost solely on local trails. Weight aside, it is a cool bike.
 
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DougSutton said:
Check out the link, here's the quote, which is still confusing to me what they mean by "temporarily" (that word could imply the rider doesn't choose how long?).

"Class 1 And 3 – As standard the new Levo will be supplied as a Class 1 eBike. However, for riders looking to ride to the trail, the new Specialized Levo 4 allows riders to toggle into a Class 3 setting temporarily, giving a maximum speed of 28 miles per hour."
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I thought one of the videos said you go back to Class 1 when the motor is powered off.
 
head said:
First impression: Meh. However, the bike is slowly growing on me—although the weight will probably be a deal breaker. The 700Wh battery in my Gen 3 is enough for 99% of my rides (and I ride only in Turbo). I’d rather have a lighter bike than an 840Wh battery. It’s probably great for riding in the Alps, but I use my e-bike almost solely on local trails. Weight aside, it is probably a cool bike.
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they've covered that with the 600W battery option?
 
Zimmerframe said:
From the Pinkbike article :
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retrograde said:
I thought one of the videos said you go back to Class 1 when the motor is powered off.
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Cool, admittedly, I'm only halfway paying attention as I'm researching while working.

I've never understood the haters that don't want Class 3 bikes on trails. I fully understand and agree with no throttle/dirtbike/motorcycles on trails.

Wanting to ban a bike from riding on trails because it's capable of going faster than 20mph has the same logic as wanting to ban cars from driving on roads that are capable of going faster than the speed limit on that road.

Where I live in Southern California, the only speed limit I ever see posted on trails is 15mph so why are we allowing that extra 5mph and instead, why shouldn't we just use European standards by this logic?

The fastest bikes I see on the trails are highly skilled analog riders going downhill. They often go much faster than 20 and even 28mph and no one including myself thinks they should be banned.

I've had a Bulls Iconic Class 3 and have ridden on many trails in Southern California. The geometry is not ideal for trails but I have the same tires and weight as many other ebikes on trails and I never go over 20mph while on trails (or 15mph when posted as speed limit).

I often ride 28mph while on paved roads along the coast and this is the reason I bought my current bike because that's the majority of my riding because of proximity to trails vs leaving my garage and going for a 20-40 mile ride. I can ride 40 miles out of my garage in less time than it takes me to drive my bike to a trailhead and back.

From my perspective, the people that are most likely to be against this (and possibly only) are those that own stock in or represent a brand of bike that doesn't yet have this feature because they might feel they're now at a competitive disadvantage selling their bike.

I haven't owned a Specialized yet although I've admired the brand for years from a distance. They've been on the leading edge of innovation for a long time and this option, while it may not mean a lot to many, it does to others and I give them massive credit for it. I'm now planning to get this or the alloy (840wh battery will also be in this by the way and its expected in June so I hear).
 
Bogdan_CH said:
Nice bike but in all seriousness, besides dentists, who is willing to pay 15000 euros to get this bike ? Still scratching to find the game changer part...

I got a Bosch gen 5 bike with removable 800wh battery replaced all suspension with RS Ultimate, top carbon wheels and bars, for less that half of that amount. With the upcoming update on the motor it will be quite near the Brose motor so really wondering why someone would pay double for the big S ?
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I agree.....i am disappointed only the s works gets the full power....£12499 is too much...... I am tempted to drop the hammer on an Amflow but am waiting to see what bosch do with their update. Hope its soon.....possibly Eurobike in june.
 
After lurking the forum for months my first post to thank you all! You provided me with what looks to be very pretty accurate info so I knew more about the new bikes then my LBS rep. After a quick test drive on the S-works I decided to place a order for the Burnt Gold Expert. If you haven't seen the beast then go check it out, it looks so much better then I anticipated, downtube is not disturbingly bloated and the battery "door" hardly visible in normal light and perspective. So clean so nice so little noise ... thx again good people, you are providing info to more then you think, will miss the anticipation and discussion... now the delivery anticipation starts... cya on the trails!
 
DougSutton said:
Cool, admittedly, I'm only halfway paying attention as I'm researching while working.

I've never understood the haters that don't want Class 3 bikes on trails. I fully understand and agree with no throttle/dirtbike/motorcycles on trails.

Wanting to ban a bike from riding on trails because it's capable of going faster than 20mph has the same logic as wanting to ban cars from driving on roads that are capable of going faster than the speed limit on that road.

Where I live in Southern California, the only speed limit I ever see posted on trails is 15mph so why are we allowing that extra 5mph and instead, why shouldn't we just use European standards by this logic?

The fastest bikes I see on the trails are highly skilled analog riders going downhill. They often go much faster than 20 and even 28mph and no one including myself thinks they should be banned.

I've had a Bulls Iconic Class 3 and have ridden on many trails in Southern California. The geometry is not ideal for trails but I have the same tires and weight as many other ebikes on trails and I never go over 20mph while on trails (or 15mph when posted as speed limit).

I often ride 28mph while on paved roads along the coast and this is the reason I bought my current bike because that's the majority of my riding because of proximity to trails vs leaving my garage and going for a 20-40 mile ride. I can ride 40 miles out of my garage in less time than it takes me to drive my bike to a trailhead and back.

From my perspective, the people that are most likely to be against this (and possibly only) are those that own stock in or represent a brand of bike that doesn't yet have this feature because they might feel they're now at a competitive disadvantage selling their bike.

I haven't owned a Specialized yet although I've admired the brand for years from a distance. They've been on the leading edge of innovation for a long time and this option, while it may not mean a lot to many, it does to others and I give them massive credit for it. I'm now planning to get this or the alloy (840wh battery will also be in this by the way and its expected in June so I hear).
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Im in the UK and the restriction is 15mph. 20 would be better but 28 mph is too fast on a pavement. I get your logic of speed restriction but cars have crumple zones and safety systems, ebikes and pedestrians don't; Its all fun and games until some ebiker hits a kid on a fire road who is out with family for a walk.
 
SimonG said:
I agree.....i am disappointed only the s works gets the full power....£12499 is too much...... I am tempted to drop the hammer on an Amflow but am waiting to see what bosch do with their update. Hope its soon.....possibly Eurobike in june.
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Have you tried a AMflow? I have been riding Levos for 7 years 6 bikes and I would think about 14k miles across all the bikes. I was not up for an AMflow then friend said you have to have a go on one. So on a cold wet November day I borrowed a friends bike, I was instantly blown away not by the powe but by the handling also, it felt so light and agile instantly felt at one with the Bike. It really is that good…
 
To me, the only Specialized Emtb "revolution" was Gen1, born from nothing. Hard for any new gen to revolutionize the current gen, simply because it is already so balanced & good. This makes our bikes live longer, so if you divide the "high" purchase price" by the years of use, value is good. That said Gen4 looks sick, love the colors ! I wonder about motor feel/noise/longevity and frame stiffness with the battery door and no more side arm.
 
For everyone complaining about only getting full power on the S-Works, the gutless version is 101Nm FFS!

Complain about the weight, the price, the colours as much as you like but pissing and moaning about the power output of the Pro and below???
 
I just compared Gen 3 Frameset (12kg) with Gen 4 (12,36kg) Gen 4 is only 360g heavier with bigger battery, so I will be able to build it with different dropper post and brakes around 22,9-23kg which is absolutely fine compared to my current 22,4 kg gen 2.
 
Doomanic said:
For everyone complaining about only getting full power on the S-Works, the gutless version is 101Nm FFS!

Complain about the weight, the price, the colours as much as you like but pissing and moaning about the power output of the Pro and below???
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It's only a 12% increase, not that much. Any Bosch-powered bike will have as much soon. If not for a certain new competitor I guess we would be more impressed :)
 
Doomanic said:
For everyone complaining about only getting full power on the S-Works, the gutless version is 101Nm FFS!

Complain about the weight, the price, the colours as much as you like but pissing and moaning about the power output of the Pro and below???
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I think it's valid to be a bit confused they are treating it as a premium feature when you can get a cheaper higher power motor.

I don't know if it is confirmed or not but any form of software locking extra features tends to antagonise people
 
JP-NZ said:
I may have missed it in all the levo hoopla but are specialized updating the SL's this year?
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I wouldn’t have thought so it was only updated 18 months ago I believe and last year there was a slight revision to include the genie shock
 
JP-NZ said:
I may have missed it in all the levo hoopla but are specialized updating the SL's this year?
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They're ripe for being axed. I own one - and LOVE it - but admittedly the benefits of it are dwindling (full powered are becoming great at handling as well) and the market for SLs not growing. Plus if you just take the new Levo and use some lighter components like Fox 36 fork, and just an extender - you get close enough to an SL I would think. The Range Extender is 280wh and the SL battery is 320wh so very very close.
That being said, if they did design SLs around a non-removable 48v 450'ish Wh battery and same 280Wh RE as the Levo - THAT WOULD BE KILLER!
 
head said:
First impression: Meh. However, the bike is slowly growing on me—although the weight will probably be a deal breaker. The 700Wh battery in my Gen 3 is enough for 99% of my rides (and I ride only in Turbo). I’d rather have a lighter bike than an 840Wh battery. It’s probably great for riding in the Alps, but I use my e-bike almost solely on local trails. Weight aside, it is a cool bike.
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zhts the revers marketing trick with the gen3 they sold alot of people a 500wh every one was buying additinal for 1200bucks the 700wh. And now a lot of people the other way around + additanl for 400bucks the fast charger : That's clever marketing :cool:
 
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