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mrtrinh said:
Do you feel confident Forbidden will be able to sell in US by the end of the year (genuinely curious)? We have yet to see the Amflow in the US.
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Assuming the Tariffs don't screw it up, they are supposed to be available for purchase around 4th quarter in the USA. A lot of the earlier ones might already be spoken for though.

I obviously, can't speak to the tariffs.
 
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Suns_PSD said:
Assuming the Tariffs don't screw it up, they are supposed to be available for purchase around 4th quarter in the USA. A lot of the earlier ones might already be spoken for though.

I obviously, can't speak to the tariffs.
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The tariffs have been paused as Canada and Mexico both folded as expected. Who knows how long it will last though, maybe it will give Forbidden a push to get the bike out faster as the US is probably their biggest market.
 
I'm curious what the value proposition will be for the e-druid. It seems like a similar bike to the Amflow, but for a couple grand more.
 
DirkWisely said:
I'm curious what the value proposition will be for the e-druid. It seems like a similar bike to the Amflow, but for a couple grand more.
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You'd be buying a bike from a manufacturer that's been making bikes at least for a little bit instead of an unknown startup.

I'm also hoping it won't be a wet noodle , check out the loam wolf reviews of the amflow.

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DirkWisely said:
I'm curious what the value proposition will be for the e-druid. It seems like a similar bike to the Amflow, but for a couple grand more.
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I've seen pricing, it's not out of line but it's not a 'value proposition' either.

It's a bike that you really either have to have because it's exactly what you have been waiting for, and extra $2000 doesn't matter much, or it isn't.

If you want the DJI motor, and you want a High-Pivot, AND you want some pretty cutting edge or extreme geo (depends on perspective I guess), it'll be the ONLY choice.
 
Suns_PSD said:
I've seen pricing, it's not out of line but it's not a 'value proposition' either.

It's a bike that you really either have to have because it's exactly what you have been waiting for, and extra $2000 doesn't matter much, or it isn't.

If you want the DJI motor, and you want a High-Pivot, AND you want some pretty cutting edge or extreme geo (depends on perspective I guess), it'll be the ONLY choice.
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It's priced right in line with other brands offering carbon bikes. Similar to Santa Cruz Vala S spec and up and right in between an Orbea Wild M20 & M10 and priced up.

There will be three build specs. Lowest spec will have mechanical drivetrain and the two higher models will have AXS wireless. It's going to be a very polarizing bike with the HP and DJI motor.
 
Anyone know if they plan to have bikes to try at Sea Otter? It's close enough I'd go to check it out.
 
I think there is also a commercial reason, they just do more margin on a complete bike that on a frame only.

So if they want to sustain, most brand cannot offer to just earn less, especially the one that does not sell a huge volume.
 
jbrown15 said:
There is no frame only option, sadly there is a large tariff applied to frame only options on eBikes, Which is the reason you don't really see manufactures offering it. Troydon from Crestline discussed it in a podcast he did.
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dunno how it is in the us, but a frame in europe is a bike part, therefore 4.7% tariff. importing completes is 15% because of added labour from outside the eu, therefore more expensive than building a bike in europe —> more jobs in europe
 
sethimus said:
dunno how it is in the us, but a frame in europe is a bike part, therefore 4.7% tariff. importing completes is 15% because of added labour from outside the eu, therefore more expensive than building a bike in europe —> more jobs in europe
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It really depends from where the product is coming.

6-7% EU tax
20 VAT tax / country
+ super bonus anti-dumping 10-70%

policy.trade.ec.europa.eu

EU extends duties on electric bicycles from China

The European Commission has published two Regulations extending anti-dumping and countervailing duties on imports of electric bicycles (e-bikes) from China for another five years.
policy.trade.ec.europa.eu policy.trade.ec.europa.eu

You can dodge if you are lucky, if not ...

anti-fraud.ec.europa.eu

OLAF and Polish Customs intercept illicit imports of 20 000 e-bikes

Investigators from the European Anti-Fraud Office (OLAF) tracked down 20,000 e-bikes from China that had been imported into the EU in evasion of at least 8 million euro of anti-dumping duties and 4 million euro of VAT.
anti-fraud.ec.europa.eu anti-fraud.ec.europa.eu

Buying parts is obviously a smarter move than going complete when ordering in this case here from China, but this does not suits all needs and cases.

Eg: Giant is taxed 33,4% to come to EU. In the end, people are still gonna buy Giant, because the prices won't be that different as work labor over there is still way too low.
 
Just talked to my dealer. I think I will be ordering one as soon as I can see all the Geo for fit. I love my dreadnought V1 and wanted something basically exactly the same except an ebike. I just bought the new Oso while I wait for the E druid to come super excited for a DJI motor based ebike.
 
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Suns_PSD said:
I've seen pricing, it's not out of line but it's not a 'value proposition' either.

It's a bike that you really either have to have because it's exactly what you have been waiting for, and extra $2000 doesn't matter much, or it isn't.

If you want the DJI motor, and you want a High-Pivot, AND you want some pretty cutting edge or extreme geo (depends on perspective I guess), it'll be the ONLY choice.
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Wish you can share even just the starting price so I can decide if I should wait for this one or go ahead with a crestline..
 
sgtcurry said:
Crestline is more expensive, depending on which model you are looking at. 10-20% more.
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You would have to compare the top spec eDruid to the Crestline when you looks at the components. So I think the prices would actually be much closer than 10-20%.
 
jbrown15 said:
You would have to compare the top spec eDruid to the Crestline when you looks at the components. So I think the prices would actually be much closer than 10-20%.
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I believe the mid spec eDruid is just a bit cheaper than the starting spec of the crestline. Pretty comparable parts. But it really depends on if we are talking the S 180 or the LS 160 limited ed. I am heavily favoring the eDruid here because I absolutely love my dreadnought and the DJI system is better overall for me personally.
 
sgtcurry said:
I believe the mid spec eDruid is just a bit cheaper than the starting spec of the crestline. Pretty comparable parts. But it really depends on if we are talking the S 180 or the LS 160 limited ed. I am heavily favoring the eDruid here because I absolutely love my dreadnought and the DJI system is better overall for me personally.
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That’s correct, but the top tier eDruid will have extremely close spec’d components to the latest S 180. Pretty much the same weight too.

The mid tier eDruid will have lower tier components compared to the S 180.
 
Btw E-Dreadnought at 21.8kg announced seems intriguing and I am having a hard time to see if it would be true or with the required burly parts.

My Slash+, announced 20.5kg, in real life with burlier part (stem, handlebar, tyre, wheels ...), is nearly 22kg - no carbon parts except frame.

I guess I will have a hard time sell my Slash+ to buy this one when it becomes available ... not cool!
 
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whitymon said:
Btw E-Dreadnought at 21.8kg announced seems intriguing and I am having a hard time to see if it would be true or with the required burly parts.

My Slash+, announced 20.5kg, in real life with burlier part (stem, handlebar, tyre, wheels ...), is nearly 22kg - no carbon parts except frame.

I guess I will have a hard time sell my Slash+ to buy this one when it becomes available ... not cool!
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There is no eDreadnought coming out anytime soon according to Forbidden.
 
jbrown15 said:
No I mean I know there’s no eDreadnought coming. The shop I work at is a Forbidden dealer, I’ve seen the eDruid and asked them if they’re releasing an eDreadnought.
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There is 100% a long travel Forbidden emtb coming and it will be revealed at Sea Otter.
 
west said:
There is 100% a long travel Forbidden emtb coming and it will be revealed at Sea Otter.
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This is not just travel question but long travel + high pivot which is not kind of the same for me.
 
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